morrisc8 Posted 29 August , 2017 Share Posted 29 August , 2017 (edited) I have over 120 original ww1 negatives on this one camp and need help to ID the unit and cap badge, I think the unit was in the UK as they are training and are in tents, could be Kent. TR [ Training Reserve ] is on some of the photos. Cap badge might be East Surrey Rgt and GS buttons being used as badges in 'Training Reserve Battalions' Due to shortages of GS Badges There is one guy with a RAMC cap badge. You can see The Lloyds Weekly News in one photo. Keith Edited 2 September , 2017 by morrisc8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrisc8 Posted 29 August , 2017 Author Share Posted 29 August , 2017 (edited) Found this link on TR Training Reserve. http://www.longlongtrail.co.uk/army/regiments-and-corps/training-reserve/ 21st Battalion . 11th (Reserve) Bn, The East Surrey Regiment at Shoreham TR/10 info from link. http://www.1914-1918.net/eastsurreys.htm 11th (Reserve) BattalionFormed in Devonport on 1 November 1914 as Service Battalion of K4 and came under orders of 100th Brigade, original 33rd Division. Moved to Dartmouth in December.10 April 1915 : became Reserve battalion. Moved to Colchester in summer 1915.1 September 1916 : converted into 21st Training Reserve Battalion of 5th Reserve Brigade. Edited 29 August , 2017 by morrisc8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 29 August , 2017 Share Posted 29 August , 2017 great photos. thanks for sharing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrisc8 Posted 29 August , 2017 Author Share Posted 29 August , 2017 a few more. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 29 August , 2017 Share Posted 29 August , 2017 (edited) In your post4 the house top right 1st photo is the same, centre 3rd photo. Hope that isn't horsemeat. Cap badges blurred. Same man (looking like Himler) is in 1st and 2nd photo. So all three images on same site. In your post1 5th image is reversed. Edited 29 August , 2017 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrisc8 Posted 29 August , 2017 Author Share Posted 29 August , 2017 Thanks, i have more photos from that site. Is this better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrisc8 Posted 30 August , 2017 Author Share Posted 30 August , 2017 (edited) photo of the officers and a lady with a newspaper with huns say u boats will win the war, its a shame you can not see the date on it. Edited 30 August , 2017 by morrisc8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 30 August , 2017 Share Posted 30 August , 2017 (edited) 37 minutes ago, morrisc8 said: its a shame you can not see the date on it. Yes, there are several examples where I'm sure it was deliberately intended to be able to date the photo; The U-boats reference could well be to a speech by the German chancellor in July 1917, but there had been many such claims earlier (by Von Capelle for example in April) and later the same year, referring to their unrestricted warfare. Would such a date fit with your understanding of the negatives? Charlie Edited 30 August , 2017 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 30 August , 2017 Share Posted 30 August , 2017 (edited) I think that Morrisc8 is bang on with his assessment and that it is indeed the 11th Reserve Batt East Surrey Regt later designated 21st Training Reserve. Edited 30 August , 2017 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrisc8 Posted 30 August , 2017 Author Share Posted 30 August , 2017 11th (Reserve) Battalion01.11.1914 Formed as a service battalion at Devonport as part of the Fourth New Army (K4) and join the 100th Brigade of the 33rd Division and then moved to Dartmouth.10.04.1915 Became 2nd Reserve Battalion and then moved to Colchester to join the 5th Reserve Brigade.01.09.1916 Became the 21st Training Reserve Battalion at Shoreham. I think the photos were taken in Kent, just need to get a date and year from 1916 Sept or 1917, they do like to read news papers. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrisc8 Posted 31 August , 2017 Author Share Posted 31 August , 2017 The only name i have on a neg cover is A ? Parr [ staff Sgt ] + Youngs, a long shot but might find out more info. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrisc8 Posted 31 August , 2017 Author Share Posted 31 August , 2017 one two of the photos there is a badge on his arm, any one ID it. not the TF. or the Sgt Major badge. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 31 August , 2017 Share Posted 31 August , 2017 (edited) TR-7. ( LLT- 10th TRB became 30th TRB/7Res Brigade, 1st Sept. 1916) Cracking photos. Edited 31 August , 2017 by GWF1967 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 31 August , 2017 Share Posted 31 August , 2017 (edited) 3 hours ago, GWF1967 said: TR-7. That makes sense. This from the LongLongTrail for 7th Brigade Bde Bn was No prefix became from the same page " All NCOs and men wore the number of their TR Brigade on their sleeve in the form of a cloth patch. The most senior battalion wore its number in white, then the others in red, yellow, green, brown and blue in descending order. " " The TR shoulder titles were discontinued from June 1917 and the sleeve number in December of that year." Look at this thread to interpret how colours appear in old B/W photos. Might be able to ID the Bns? Edit. So in theory.... From the above, the 2nd senior is East Surreys so should be red. Looking at the colour chart, red shows very dark, matching the Sgt Major's capbadge. But what about the Corporal ? Edited 31 August , 2017 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrisc8 Posted 31 August , 2017 Author Share Posted 31 August , 2017 So now we are saying its the 10th where were the 30th Training Reserve Battalion of 7th Reserve Brigade. Dover still ? 10th (Reserve) BattalionFormed in Dover on 26 October 1914 as Service Battalion of K4 and came under orders of 95th Brigade, original 32nd Division.10 April 1915 : became Reserve battalion. Moved to Purfleet in May 1915, Shoreham again in September 1915 and Dover in May 1916.1 September 1916 : converted into 30th Training Reserve Battalion of 7th Reserve Brigade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrisc8 Posted 31 August , 2017 Author Share Posted 31 August , 2017 Well done guys, here are a few more. you can see the 7. I am still scanning the negatives. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrisc8 Posted 2 September , 2017 Author Share Posted 2 September , 2017 Made this photo better as it was very dark in B&W, only have left 25 to scan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrisc8 Posted 3 September , 2017 Author Share Posted 3 September , 2017 i like this one , time for tea. keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrisc8 Posted 4 September , 2017 Author Share Posted 4 September , 2017 The 2nd photo has the tents with cammo paint on them. Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johntaylor Posted 4 September , 2017 Share Posted 4 September , 2017 Fascinating photos - thanks! John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NigelS Posted 4 September , 2017 Share Posted 4 September , 2017 On 30/08/2017 at 12:30, morrisc8 said: photo of the officers and a lady with a newspaper with huns say u boats will win the war, its a shame you can not see the date on it. On 30/08/2017 at 12:53, charlie962 said: Yes, there are several examples where I'm sure it was deliberately intended to be able to date the photo; The U-boats reference could well be to a speech by the German chancellor in July 1917, but there had been many such claims earlier (by Von Capelle for example in April) and later the same year, referring to their unrestricted warfare. Would such a date fit with your understanding of the negatives? Charlie Interesting photos, thanks for posting. A search using the NewspaperArchives site finds that 'The Evening News of Friday, July 20, 1917, Middlesex, London' had the headline Huns say "U" boats will win the war on its front page; I don't have a subscription to this site so can only view the very basic trial thumbnail image of it which appears to have a different photograph to that to that shown in the paper shown in post 7, but I guess there would have been several different editions with some variations in front page content (possibly area related as well) published that day. NigelS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrisc8 Posted 5 September , 2017 Author Share Posted 5 September , 2017 Thank you Nigel for looking i think that date fits in with the photos very well. Just have to find the tented camp they were at, might be on or near St Martins Plain, Shorncliffe camp?or the Dover area? on the last photo on the top right there is what looks like a OP on the hill. keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimberley John Lindsay Posted 5 September , 2017 Share Posted 5 September , 2017 Dear All, Here are some tents from the photo collection of the then Cpl S. M. Boddy, 1st Battalion, Queens Westminster Rifles. Cpl Boddy got a "Blighty", and was commissioned into an East Surreys training battalion and retained (A/Capt). In 1917 he joined the Indian Army Reserve of Officers (Lieut.) and saw Persia and Frontier service with 2-94 Russell's Infantry (Coy Cdr and Capt). Kindest regards, Kim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrisc8 Posted 12 September , 2017 Author Share Posted 12 September , 2017 Are these pre ww1 303 rifles ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 12 September , 2017 Share Posted 12 September , 2017 Its the Lee Enfield P14 isn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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