Guest Posted 8 February , 2020 Share Posted 8 February , 2020 Hi! I have two spoons marked with the ANZAC rising sun and they say stainless Nikel HM&Co made in england. Can anyone give me any information? :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted 8 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 8 February , 2020 I have this spoon but assume it`s of much later origin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 8 February , 2020 Share Posted 8 February , 2020 2 hours ago, Beechiki said: Hi! I have two spoons marked with the ANZAC rising sun and they say stainless Nikel HM&Co made in england. Can anyone give me any information? :) Harris Miller & Co. Sheffield. Any chance of a picture? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 8 February , 2020 Share Posted 8 February , 2020 41 minutes ago, PhilB said: I have this spoon but assume it`s of much later origin. These examples appear to be the same. I couldn’t see a date but 1940’s examples seem to be marked Allbrite N.S. http://museum.wa.gov.au/online-collections/content/H1996.99.1-14 Stainless dates from approx 1913. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted 8 February , 2020 Author Share Posted 8 February , 2020 NS may indicate nickel silver, a different animal from stainless steel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 8 February , 2020 Share Posted 8 February , 2020 (edited) 36 minutes ago, PhilB said: NS may indicate nickel silver, a different animal from stainless steel? Indeed - I thought your spoon and those in MWA may be earlier as Allbrite cutlery seems to change stamp from SS to NS in the 40’s. Edited 8 February , 2020 by GWF1967 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1st AIF Posted 25 July , 2020 Share Posted 25 July , 2020 Hello. I don't know if anyone is still active on this topic. We have records (no photo)of a fork with the number 1963 found on a particular body after the war. We are assuming it was his regimental number. Were there any regulations regarding to identify personal cutlery? I see some of the photos on this thread have numbers on them - all four digits long. The last four digits of their regimental number? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 14 June , 2021 Share Posted 14 June , 2021 Bringing it up to date, a dealer friend of mine has gifted me for my birthday(!) a WILKINSON spoon from Gallipoli stamped KOSB 6533 and thanks especially to those who helped me identify its owner, even with a photograph - see the discussion (before I was gifted it) here: https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/291261-spoon-kosb-6533-mackenzie-claude/?tab=comments#comment-3020022 So, these were official issue? Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted 14 June , 2021 Author Share Posted 14 June , 2021 I think all one can say, Julian, is probably! Much better than a pair of socks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 15 June , 2021 Share Posted 15 June , 2021 Indeed! Not much sign of wear, though, and no indications as to whether he was right- or left hand-handed. I am half tempted to clean it, and half-tempted not to... I think probably a gentle wash first in soap and water, dry carefully and then leave well alone. Julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JMB1943 Posted 15 June , 2021 Share Posted 15 June , 2021 Trajan, A very nice birthday present, and also best wishes from me! May you collect many more spoons........ Ave Imperator, JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 15 June , 2021 Share Posted 15 June , 2021 On 14/06/2021 at 22:22, trajan said: So, these were official issue? Julian Indeed they were. - 6 x W.D and /I\ stamped. Various manufacturers. A word of caution; as with bayonets, it's a slippery slope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted 15 June , 2021 Author Share Posted 15 June , 2021 Were spoons issued to officers for field service? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 15 June , 2021 Share Posted 15 June , 2021 1 hour ago, PhilB said: Were spoons issued to officers for field service? I'd have thought officers kit was privately purchased. The bottom item is a silver fork, so definitely not issued. I believe it to be named to Capt. Arthur Godfrey Shaw. 4th East Yorks. - Later Capt./Maj. Royal Engineers Signal Service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 16 June , 2021 Share Posted 16 June , 2021 13 hours ago, JMB1943 said: Trajan, A very nice birthday present, and also best wishes from me! May you collect many more spoons........ Many thanks JMB! Spoons... The collection thereof... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 16 June , 2021 Share Posted 16 June , 2021 11 hours ago, GWF1967 said: Indeed they were. - 6 x W.D and /I\ stamped. Various manufacturers. A word of caution; as with bayonets, it's a slippery slope. What a lovely collection you have there! I am slightly confused by the green patina on mine: green, to an archaeologist, usually means bronze or some other copper alloy... I notice also that nobody is venturing to offer an opinion on to clean or not to clean. the white metal shows through on a scratch to the back. Oh, and this spoon is especially nice for me as an archaologist as it is a skeumorph - the ridge on the back where the handle is attached to the bowl is a non-functional design element that is derived from how spoons were originally made, with a separate bowl joined to a separate hanle by a spur piece! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted 16 June , 2021 Author Share Posted 16 June , 2021 I’m a non-cleaner, Trajan. I would add that green indicates copper (as in verdigris) - an ingredient of nickel silver, bronze and brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 16 June , 2021 Share Posted 16 June , 2021 1 hour ago, trajan said: : green, to an archaeologist, usually means bronze or some other copper alloy... Cupro - Nickel. 1 hour ago, trajan said: I notice also that nobody is venturing to offer an opinion on to clean or not to clean. You’ll notice both my ground dug examples are as found. Clean ye not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 16 June , 2021 Share Posted 16 June , 2021 SWMBO wants me to clean it but in my heart of hearts I favour a 'No'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
battle of loos Posted 18 June , 2021 Share Posted 18 June , 2021 Hello here is my collection of spoons and forks found in Artois. 1 spoon and 1 attic fork and the rest of the land in Canadian dump cans for the most part. spoons : - The Potosi Silver Co Birmingham - 143758 (find to Loos) William W Pritchard Labour Corps 1437 58 Edward Park Royal Engineers 1437 58 William Aspin Royal Army Medical Corps 1437 58 Charles S Cutbrush Royal Garrison Artillery 1437 58 unbreakable marking - GC 7125 (find near the Rutoire Farm near Loos)) A.E. FRIEND - 7125 - 3rd Coldstream Guards - KIA - Bethune Town cemetery - IV. B. 56. - ROGERS NICKEL SILVER (near Arras) 1352 (61 names) - MC GLASHAN - CLARKE CO. 1915 (near Arras) forks : - ROGERS NICKEL SILVER (near Arras) 455 (the number does not have to be in full) - (find to Loos) - ADAMS BROs FOLKESONE CUTLERS regards michel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 18 June , 2021 Share Posted 18 June , 2021 14 minutes ago, battle of loos said: Hello here is my collection of spoons and forks. Michel Nice finds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felicity Posted 21 June , 2021 Share Posted 21 June , 2021 Good Morning I hope that one of you lovely experts may be able to help me with the markings on this spoon which has been passed to me by a family member. I believe the design looks WWI but I am a little confused by the markings and should be grateful for any help I know that the NS means nickel silver, and that the broad arrow indicates military, but wondered if anyone knew the marker and if you would be able to confirm a date etc. Also the meaning of the 2 after the WD The front of the spoon has initials and a 4 digit number, which I am assuming is the person's initials and their number - is there any way of finding out who this person is? The mark of the horn bugle confused me as I thought that this was the mark for the light infantry, but this was formed much later than WWI Lastly, it's a big old spoon for someone's mouth- is this usual?! Or are they actually serving spoons? Thanks in advance Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyH Posted 21 June , 2021 Share Posted 21 June , 2021 (edited) Probably belonged to 5542 Pte Richard Finch, 10th Bn. Lancashire Fusiliers. Happily he survived the war (without a spoon). BillyH. Edited 21 June , 2021 by BillyH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Felicity Posted 21 June , 2021 Share Posted 21 June , 2021 Wow - that was quick Billy Thank you . So the LAN is the name of the regiment and not the person's initials? Do you know who the maker was or what the 2 means after the WD bit? At least I think it is a 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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