FROGSMILE Posted 31 October , 2017 Share Posted 31 October , 2017 2 hours ago, robins2 said: chevrons appear to be just tacked on, ?? Normal in hot climates such as India and Egypt as Sepoy says. Generally badges were secured in place by hooks and eyes fitted by the durzi (native tailor employed by regiments). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mark holden Posted 31 October , 2017 Share Posted 31 October , 2017 A young Royal Munster Fusilier Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 31 October , 2017 Share Posted 31 October , 2017 (edited) Great photo. You can make out the green felt shamrock behind his cap badge. I think he is probably a regular, as he seems quite young for a full corporal and APTI. The RMF seem to have been one of the first regiments to habitually wear collar badges in the regular battalions. Edited 31 October , 2017 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 31 October , 2017 Share Posted 31 October , 2017 Interesting crossed swords: these are what I think are the ugly straight-bladed heavy hilted version which co-existed with the elegant curved sabre pairs. Short of seeing a sealed pattern, I have never been sure if [in those days] the "uglies" were for APTIs and the sabres for swordsmen. The uglies seem to have had a short life [and possibly never in worsted or bullion] perhaps because the wearers agreed with me. The modern APTI is definitely sabre of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 31 October , 2017 Share Posted 31 October , 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Muerrisch said: Interesting crossed swords: these are what I think are the ugly straight-bladed heavy hilted version which co-existed with the elegant curved sabre pairs. Short of seeing a sealed pattern, I have never been sure if [in those days] the "uglies" were for APTIs and the sabres for swordsmen. The uglies seem to have had a short life [and possibly never in worsted or bullion] perhaps because the wearers agreed with me. The modern APTI is definitely sabre of course. I don’t think that they are straight blades Muerrisch, but just a distorted (as they often seem to have been in wear), version of the sabres badge, with the more elaborate hilt (lined hand guard version) that appears in your book. A magnifier clarifies this. Edited 31 October , 2017 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 1 November , 2017 Share Posted 1 November , 2017 Thank you ............ I must get some new eyes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 1 November , 2017 Share Posted 1 November , 2017 On 10/18/2017 at 23:53, GWF1967 said: Left is. Dvr.12267. Evan Tudor. 89 Bde. Amm. Col. R.F.A. B.1896 Pembrokeshire.Wales. Evan of Rhoscadu, St. David's and seated is his brother Lewis Tudor of Rodiad, St. David's served as Sapper 47163, 210th A.T. Co. R.E J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 1 November , 2017 Share Posted 1 November , 2017 I thought they were probably brothers, there is a distinct family resemblance. What is an A.T. Company (tunnelling?) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 1 November , 2017 Share Posted 1 November , 2017 6 hours ago, jay dubaya said: Evan of Rhoscadu, St. David's and seated is his brother Lewis Tudor of Rodiad, St. David's served as Sapper 47163, 210th A.T. Co. R.E J Thanks for the information J. I also thought there was a similarity. Do you have a source/reference, or picture for comparison ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 2 November , 2017 Share Posted 2 November , 2017 (edited) 5 hours ago, FROGSMILE said: What is an A.T. Company (tunnelling?) ? Good question, my first thought was Army Troop Company...I shall wait in anticipation to be corrected on that one I clocked Evan's birthplace and had a look through the Pembrokeshire AVL (1918). Two other Tudor's are listed for St. Davids a John Owen (Mercantile Marine and a 1940 casualty but not a brother) and Lewis, there is such a good family resemblance to the fella seated and the cap badge fits, they have to be the Tudor brothers - census records fit and until now they hadn't appeared on my radar, remarkably both have service papers on ancestry and here they are on the GWF. Do you have any connection to the family or locality? J Edited 2 November , 2017 by jay dubaya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tomo.T Posted 2 November , 2017 Share Posted 2 November , 2017 6 hours ago, jay dubaya said: Good question, my first thought was Army Troop Company...I shall wait in anticipation to be corrected on that one I clocked Evan's birthplace and had a look through the Pembrokeshire AVL (1918). Two other Tudor's are listed for St. Davids a John Owen (Mercantile Marine and a 1940 casualty but not a brother) and Lewis, there is such a good family resemblance to the fella seated and the cap badge fits, they have to be the Tudor brothers - census records fit and until now they hadn't appeared on my radar, remarkably both have service papers on ancestry and here they are on the GWF. Do you have any connection to the family or locality? J I am only guessing, but how about Artificer Training Coy. ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 2 November , 2017 Share Posted 2 November , 2017 6 hours ago, jay dubaya said: Good question, my first thought was Army Troop Company...I shall wait in anticipation to be corrected on that one I clocked Evan's birthplace and had a look through the Pembrokeshire AVL (1918). Two other Tudor's are listed for St. Davids a John Owen (Mercantile Marine and a 1940 casualty but not a brother) and Lewis, there is such a good family resemblance to the fella seated and the cap badge fits, they have to be the Tudor brothers - census records fit and until now they hadn't appeared on my radar, remarkably both have service papers on ancestry and here they are on the GWF. Do you have any connection to the family or locality? J No connection, I just noted the likeness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 2 November , 2017 Share Posted 2 November , 2017 12 hours ago, jay dubaya said: Good question, my first thought was Army Troop Company...I shall wait in anticipation to be corrected on that one I clocked Evan's birthplace and had a look through the Pembrokeshire AVL (1918). Two other Tudor's are listed for St. Davids a John Owen (Mercantile Marine and a 1940 casualty but not a brother) and Lewis, there is such a good family resemblance to the fella seated and the cap badge fits, they have to be the Tudor brothers - census records fit and until now they hadn't appeared on my radar, remarkably both have service papers on ancestry and here they are on the GWF. Do you have any connection to the family or locality? J No connection to family or locality. I bought the postcard with Evan named, fantastic to identify Lewis. Many thanks for digging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 2 November , 2017 Share Posted 2 November , 2017 It's always a pleasure to put names to faces so I'm pleased to have been of help. Just had a quick look through Lewis' service papers and tucked in there was a nice bit of confirmation regarding his unit 'AT Coy' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 2 November , 2017 Share Posted 2 November , 2017 21 minutes ago, jay dubaya said: It's always a pleasure to put names to faces so I'm pleased to have been of help. Just had a quick look through Lewis' service papers and tucked in there was a nice bit of confirmation regarding his unit 'AT Coy' Thanks Jay. Kicking myself as I should have guessed Army Troops, the highest level at which command of functional and utilitarian specialist troops is exercised. I imagine that there might have been some Corps Troops units too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 2 November , 2017 Share Posted 2 November , 2017 Several other RE AT Coys noted in the AVL but no CT Coys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 3 November , 2017 Share Posted 3 November , 2017 20 hours ago, jay dubaya said: Several other RE AT Coys noted in the AVL but no CT Coys That’s interesting and suggests that the next level down was the Divisional Companies under the CRE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 3 November , 2017 Share Posted 3 November , 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said: That’s interesting and suggests that the next level down was the Divisional Companies under the CRE. Edited 3 November , 2017 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Brayley Posted 7 November , 2017 Share Posted 7 November , 2017 "Harry" India 1913. Looking incredibly smart in his KD. The reverse reads... " Dear Harry This is one I had taken outside the church. Armbala (?) St Pauls the place I frequently visit as my favourite place of worship as you can see I am standing in the gateway, this was just before I went to take the lads supper. I hope you still continue to go the dear old church and worship god in public service. Yours Harry We love the place of god." Interesting to note that the church he describes was destroyed in the India Pakistan war...but the gates he is stood by still stand today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 7 November , 2017 Share Posted 7 November , 2017 Thank you: marksman badge I think? The moustache says "why am I not a lance-jack yet, I am in a hurry to become sergeant-major! The RAF Station Warrant Officer [RSM equiv at least] at RAF Nicosia changed his KDs AT LEAST once a day, and I suspect changed his glistening shoes too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Brayley Posted 7 November , 2017 Share Posted 7 November , 2017 From the other images and paperwork that came with him he is B Coy D.O.Ws. Here is a close up of the badge... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 7 November , 2017 Share Posted 7 November , 2017 Wish I had not asked ......... looks like a birds nest or spaghetti. Crossed knitting needles in a ball of wool? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 7 November , 2017 Share Posted 7 November , 2017 2 minutes ago, Muerrisch said: Wish I had not asked ......... looks like a birds nest or spaghetti. Crossed knitting needles in a ball of wool? Musketry prize badge perhaps. Crossed rifles, laurel wreath with star over? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 7 November , 2017 Share Posted 7 November , 2017 Thats a much better idea than mine, however there does appear to be some extraneous "stuff" beneath where the wreath should end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toby Brayley Posted 7 November , 2017 Share Posted 7 November , 2017 Hence why I didn't even hazard a guess ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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