museumtom Posted 29 May , 2004 Author Share Posted 29 May , 2004 There are lots of different types of knuckle guards thats why I asked you to post an image. A fuller is the groove that runs down the centre of the blade......rambo types call it a blood gorrove but this is a fallacy. It the the best way of lightening the blade whithout losing its temper and strength. Try posting a picture. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoch beard Posted 29 May , 2004 Share Posted 29 May , 2004 sorry tom, having problems with damn camera, i cant seem to get image.i think my kids have been at it.sorry for wasting your time enoch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CROONAERT Posted 29 May , 2004 Share Posted 29 May , 2004 Dave you are being a bit unfair when you do not give me ALL the markings, c'mon .....lets be having you.....what are you leaving out? Tom. Tom. If you re-read my original post, you'll see that I mentioned everything there. I haven't left anything out (though I suppose I could have been a little more descriptive of what exactly was in the circle). To give you more clues, the markings are not all together and the item is German. Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbarchetta Posted 29 May , 2004 Share Posted 29 May , 2004 Tom, If you are still interested in testing your knowledge, perhaps you can give me a second opinion on a shell case... The head stamps are as follows: 6Pr III Lot 9 CF K Large 1 in a circle An anchor WD Arrow And, most importantly, the number 72. This is everything that is stamped on the base, so I assumed that the 72 referred to 1872, as it is the only possible date stamp, given the list above and I've never come across a shell without a date on. However 1872 is right at the point where breech loading artillery was being developed.... hmmm..... Your opinion would be extremely useful ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 30 May , 2004 Author Share Posted 30 May , 2004 This is a 6 pounder casing, wd and the arrow are an acceptance mark for the Govenment and war department The letter K means that it was made by Kynoch,CF means that it was only filled once with a full charge and not refilled and used again,the anchor could be a naval accpetance mark,lot 9 is the batch number.I do not know what the 79 means but I have never seen a manufacture year abbreviated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 30 May , 2004 Author Share Posted 30 May , 2004 Dave ya got me.What is it? tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redbarchetta Posted 30 May , 2004 Share Posted 30 May , 2004 I do not know what the 79 means but I have never seen a manufacture year abbreviated. Tom, Well that's exactly what the guy from the RA Museum said. I do have shell cases with the dates abbreviated to, for example, 30 5 04 - mainly 19th century ones though. But I don't have any other cases with NO date at all on. Ah well, thanks for the info Tom. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkristof Posted 31 May , 2004 Share Posted 31 May , 2004 Today i bought a fine hooked quillion 1907 enfield bayonet. hooray me! there are some regimental markings on it: 4. DY 541 on the pommel -> on this i need help! on the blade: side 1: kings crown 1907 6 '09 (june 1909 ? ) wilkinson side 2 broad arrow 3 proof marks and the X proof but brassed !!! nice search! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 31 May , 2004 Author Share Posted 31 May , 2004 Congrats on the bayonet.I wish I could locate one. Did it cost much? The unit marking on the pommel is for the 4th batt Sherwood Foresters(Nottinghamshire and Derbyshire Regiment) and the rack number for the matching rifle is 541. I presume you know the rest of the markings are. Anyway here is what they mean. You were correct it was issued in June 1909,made by Wilkinson. The three 'proof marks are inspection marks. Under the three crowns will be a letter. In this case either W for Wilkinson or E for Enfield. The X is the side of the blade that the bending test was carried out on. Congrats again. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeppoSapone Posted 7 June , 2004 Share Posted 7 June , 2004 Tom Here are the markings from something I recently picked up at a car boot sale. I know roughly what it is, but can you tell me any more? "75MM.M5A1" "Lot 5163" "18" "S.M.C. 1941" Cheers Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 7 June , 2004 Author Share Posted 7 June , 2004 This is a ww2 75 mm artillery brass casing made by Singer....the same people who made sewing machines. I see you omitted to add the other marks, like the arrow, or arrows. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeppoSapone Posted 7 June , 2004 Share Posted 7 June , 2004 This is a ww2 75 mm artillery brass casing made by Singer....the same people who made sewing machines. I see you omitted to add the other marks, like the arrow, or arrows. Tom. Thanks for that Tom. Actually there are no marks on it other than those I gave. There is no /I\ broad arrow, so I had assumed the piece to be American? This is a piece of trench art. The shell has been cut down to maybe 2 or 3 inches to make an ashtray - there are also some "rests" for the cigarettes, small concave rectangles fixed to the top edge, two left out of three. The interesting part is that it has a number of coins soldered/braized(?) to the outside. These include a 1942 dated British 3d bit, a couple of Italian coins, one dated 1940, and a couple of Colonial French coins - "Tunisie 1941". Must have been made as a souvenir after the Allied landings in French North Africa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 7 June , 2004 Author Share Posted 7 June , 2004 As the manufacturer was Singer I assumed that there would be arrows on it. They would have corresponded with the inspectors initials, every arrow means an inspectors initials usually in a box. The M5A1 was the marking for the M5A1 Stuart light tank. Here is some data I picked up from the net about it; The M5 made its debut in the invasion of Casablanca in French North Africa. By 1943, and at the time of the invasion of Sicily, the M5A1 was becoming the standard light tank of the American armored divisions. Because of limited firepower, the M5A1 eventually took on reconnaissance and escort duties in Italy and, after the invasion of Normandy, throughout Europe. In the Pacific theater, the M5A1 made its debut at Roi-Namur in February of 1944 and on Saipan, the same year. The M5A1 was quite effective against most Japanese armor, even the Japanese Type 97 Chi-Ha medium tank typically used in the Pacific theater. The 37 mm main gun, although obsolete in Europe, was found to be effective against Japanese targets. Consequently, many other vehicles carrying the 37 mm gun, such as the M8 armored car and M3 anti-tank gun were retained and used in the Pacific theater. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeppoSapone Posted 7 June , 2004 Share Posted 7 June , 2004 As the manufacturer was Singer I assumed that there would be arrows on it. They would have corresponded with the inspectors initials, every arrow means an inspectors initials usually in a box. The M5A1 was the marking for the M5A1 Stuart light tank. Here is some data I picked up from the net about it; The M5 made its debut in the invasion of Casablanca in French North Africa. By 1943, and at the time of the invasion of Sicily, the M5A1 was becoming the standard light tank of the American armored divisions. Because of limited firepower, the M5A1 eventually took on reconnaissance and escort duties in Italy and, after the invasion of Normandy, throughout Europe. In the Pacific theater, the M5A1 made its debut at Roi-Namur in February of 1944 and on Saipan, the same year. The M5A1 was quite effective against most Japanese armor, even the Japanese Type 97 Chi-Ha medium tank typically used in the Pacific theater. The 37 mm main gun, although obsolete in Europe, was found to be effective against Japanese targets. Consequently, many other vehicles carrying the 37 mm gun, such as the M8 armored car and M3 anti-tank gun were retained and used in the Pacific theater. Tom Once again, thanks for that Tom. I now know far more about this item than I ever expected to know! Out of interest I have just looked up "Singer" and found that they are an American firm: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/3081/singer.html So, everything falls into place. Not a bad buy for a couple of quid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 7 June , 2004 Author Share Posted 7 June , 2004 I like trench art myself. Ya got a bargain. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeppoSapone Posted 9 June , 2004 Share Posted 9 June , 2004 As the manufacturer was Singer I assumed that there would be arrows on it. They would have corresponded with the inspectors initials, every arrow means an inspectors initials usually in a box. The M5A1 was the marking for the M5A1 Stuart light tank. Here is some data I picked up from the net about it; The M5 made its debut in the invasion of Casablanca in French North Africa. By 1943, and at the time of the invasion of Sicily, the M5A1 was becoming the standard light tank of the American armored divisions. Because of limited firepower, the M5A1 eventually took on reconnaissance and escort duties in Italy and, after the invasion of Normandy, throughout Europe. In the Pacific theater, the M5A1 made its debut at Roi-Namur in February of 1944 and on Saipan, the same year. The M5A1 was quite effective against most Japanese armor, even the Japanese Type 97 Chi-Ha medium tank typically used in the Pacific theater. The 37 mm main gun, although obsolete in Europe, was found to be effective against Japanese targets. Consequently, many other vehicles carrying the 37 mm gun, such as the M8 armored car and M3 anti-tank gun were retained and used in the Pacific theater. Tom Once again, thanks for that Tom. I now know far more about this item than I ever expected to know! Out of interest I have just looked up "Singer" and found that they are an American firm: http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/3081/singer.html So, everything falls into place. Not a bad buy for a couple of quid! Tom I was very impressed with all of the additional information you came up with re my 75 mm artillery brass casing. Can you do anything with these markings? This is something I have had for 30+ years and, although I have not tried too hard, I never have found out exactly what it is, so I will be most impressed if you can tell me. Once again, there is no /I\ present. "C.M.98" "MK.1" "12 M.B." "1942" Cheers Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 9 June , 2004 Author Share Posted 9 June , 2004 You have me, I do not know. It could be anything. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeppoSapone Posted 9 June , 2004 Share Posted 9 June , 2004 You have me, I do not know. It could be anything. Tom. Well, that makes two of us Tom! It is a small rectangular box with a hinged lid. The box is painted dark khaki/green and the markings are all on the lid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooper Posted 10 June , 2004 Share Posted 10 June , 2004 One more to test..... Markings on an item I am collecting on Saturday. 2,1899,V,DVNA467 Not sure of the format any ideas? Cooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 10 June , 2004 Author Share Posted 10 June , 2004 I have no information of the marking DVNA, the other markings would only be relevant to the object itself and as I do not know what it is, nor can I guess, I will have to pass on this one. Sorry, Cooper. This is harder than I thought it was going to be. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooper Posted 11 June , 2004 Share Posted 11 June , 2004 Hi Tom, the item in question is a Martini Enfield rifle, the markings are on the butt disk. I think it should read: 2 1899 (year of issue to Reg) V (Volunteer?) DVNA (nearest North Devon 11th Foot) 4 (Company?) 67 (Issue No?) I think this is right. Thanks for trying Tom Cooper Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 11 June , 2004 Author Share Posted 11 June , 2004 I had considered the North devon regt but the the marking for the Devonshire regiment is DVN not DVNA. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
museumtom Posted 9 November , 2004 Author Share Posted 9 November , 2004 Come on guys, give me some markings!!! not serial numbers though. Regards. Tom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuart Brown Posted 9 November , 2004 Share Posted 9 November , 2004 Come on guys, give me some markings!!! . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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