KizmeRD Posted 29 September , 2020 Share Posted 29 September , 2020 Walter Marshall joined the RoyalNavy in October 1918 on a short service engagement as a stoker, initially serving on the battleship Ramilles, then a period in Portsmouth (Victory II) and finally onboard the stokers training ship HMS Fisgard (also in Portsmouth). Discharged in 1923 due tuberculosis. MB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 29 September , 2020 Share Posted 29 September , 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, KizmeRD said: Walter Marshall joined the RoyalNavy in October 1918 on a short service engagement as a stoker, Small correction: he was enlisted on a Special Service (SS) engagement which, but for his early discharge invalided with TB, would have required him to serve five years in the Fleet (from his 18th birthday) followed by seven years in the Royal Fleet Reserve (RFR). However, he transferred to this SS engagement on 20 March 1919 from an earlier Continuous Service (CS) 12-year engagement as a seaman. under Official No, J.57960, which he entered as a Boy Seaman in August 1916. This CS engagement also started on his 18th birthday 23 Oct 1918. His transfer to the Stoker branch took place during his service in HMS RAMILLES. His earlier seaman's record is here:- https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6956873 Edited 29 September , 2020 by horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillian Hazell Posted 29 September , 2020 Share Posted 29 September , 2020 Thank you, much clearer now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 29 September , 2020 Share Posted 29 September , 2020 (edited) As a Boy Seaman 2nd and 1st Class he was trained in the Boys' Training Ship HMS IMPREGNABLE at Devonport.. She was formerly named HMS HOWE - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Howe_(1860) Edited 29 September , 2020 by horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest David Skinner Posted 17 November , 2020 Share Posted 17 November , 2020 Hi I have been researching my Grandfather, Henry ‘Ted’ Skinner. He joined the RN in 1911, as a boy steward, having been born in 1894. By 1913 he was a Stoker 2nd class, on board HMS Monarch.he was present at the battle of Jutland in 1916. He thereafter was drafted to the Q Ships operating from Queenstown in what is today The Irish Republic and is now called Cobh. On his service record he is shown as serving on HMS Victory II, which would fit in as this was a purely administrative device. I hope this is of benefit to those who are doing the same as me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakjim Posted 17 November , 2020 Share Posted 17 November , 2020 Morning Dave - Thanks for your info on this, when I got his Service Record I just could not work it out at the time, this Form help me with the information. Cheers Oakjim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
huwrevans Posted 9 March , 2021 Share Posted 9 March , 2021 (edited) Hi, Researching a sailor from one of the local cemeteries I look after - M31726 Percy Sollers Enlisted 29 May 1918 and at Victory II until August 1918 Then, sadly for him, joined the crew of HMS Glatton on 31 August 1918 - sixteen days before she was deliberately torpedoed in Dover harbour after an explosion in her mid-ships 6 inch magazine. My question is - Had Victory II returned to Plymouth by then or was it still at Crystal palace? Any way of knowing where this sailor was between May/Aug 1918? Thanks Edited 9 March , 2021 by huwrevans Changed pdf for jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 9 March , 2021 Share Posted 9 March , 2021 6 minutes ago, huwrevans said: Had Victory II returned to Plymouth by then or was it still at Crystal palace? The HMS VICTORY pay offices were never at Plymouth and there is no evidence that subdivision II was ever physically located at Crystal Palace. However, men at Crystal Palace were 'on the books' of HMS VICTORY II (not physically "at" VICTORY II), as were some stokers (and ERA's by this record) under training at Portsmouth. It is more likely that the VICTORY II pay office was at located at Portsmouth with other Victory pay offices (e.g. I, IIII, IV, VI, X). You can be pretty certain that ERA SOLLERS was never at Crystal Palace, as you suggest, but underwent his initial training at Portsmouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talesofaseadog Posted 9 March , 2021 Share Posted 9 March , 2021 7 hours ago, horatio2 said: but underwent his initial training at Portsmouth As an Artificer it is possible that he trained at Fisgard in Portsmouth. This is a link to the Fisgard Association that is an Artificer timeline. https://thefisgardassociation.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=239&Itemid=499 May be worth a look, I am a member of this organisation. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 9 March , 2021 Share Posted 9 March , 2021 He was certainly was not on the books of FISGARD, which took Boy Artificers in WW1. That said, I am not certain where the Acting ERA 4s (entered as men on the books of VICTORY II) were trained at Portsmouth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talesofaseadog Posted 9 March , 2021 Share Posted 9 March , 2021 1 hour ago, horatio2 said: He was certainly was not on the books of FISGARD, which took Boy Artificers in WW1. That said, I am not certain where the Acting ERA 4s (entered as men on the books of VICTORY II) were trained at Portsmouth. I realise he was not on the books of Fisgard, but as a direct entry trained fitter and turner, he would need some time, to be trained in the ways of the Navy, and some Artificer training. Six months would seem to be the right amount of time but where the training took place is a mystery. My suspicion is that the Artificer training would be on a Fisgard hulk but living elsewhere which is why he was on Victory II books. Tony Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 9 March , 2021 Share Posted 9 March , 2021 She was a fairly new commission. Is it possible that the pay arrangements had not yet transferred from the administrative base to the ship? (Surgeon E.L. Atkinson was in GLATTON at the same time but does not appear on the Navy List against her name.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 10 March , 2021 Share Posted 10 March , 2021 11 hours ago, Talesofaseadog said: as a direct entry trained fitter and turner, he would need some time, to be trained in the ways of the Navy, and some Artificer training. Six months would seem to be the right amount of time but where the training took place is a mystery. L:ooking at the cohort of pre-skilled men who were entered as ERA4 or shipwright in May 1918, most of them were only on the books of VICTORY II for about three months RN induction before being drafted away to the Fleet. On-the-job training seems to have been the norn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KizmeRD Posted 10 March , 2021 Share Posted 10 March , 2021 I suspect that there may well have been some initial naval training carried out in Victory barracks, Portsmouth followed by a brief spell of branch training carried out onboard the former HMS Spartiate at Gosport, in order to familiarise these direct entry ERA’s 4th Class with fleet engineering systems and operating procedures prior to them receiving their first seagoing draft. MB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakjim Posted 10 March , 2021 Share Posted 10 March , 2021 Good evening I can't give you any information about HMS Victory 11, but I can confirm you grandfather was killed in 1918, this list below is all of the people killed at the same time. I got the information form this web site. https://www.naval-history.net/xDKCas1918-09Sep.htm Glatton, monitor, lost on 16th BELLAMY, John, Private, RMLI, 20038 (Po), DOW GATENBY, John W, Able Seaman, J 16844, DOW GRUNDY, Leonard E F, Able Seaman, J 27569, DOW NELSON, William H, Boy 1c, J 77521, DOW ROWE, Robert W, Stoker 2c, K 51334, DOW SAVE, George A, Carpenters Crew, M 27909, DOW SNOWBALL, Robert (real name, but served as Cornelius Costello), Stoker 2c, K 59971, DOW SOLLERS, Percy, Engine Room Artificer 4c, M 31726, DOW SPENCE, Joseph, Able Seaman, J 14654, DOW WHITE, Robert G, Leading Stoker, 293758, DOW WINSTONE, Albert E, Boy 1c, J 76618, DOW YEWMAN, Alexander, Able Seaman, J 21237, DOW hope it helps. Oakjim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoss Posted 31 December , 2023 Share Posted 31 December , 2023 (edited) Hi, have found myself here researching my GGF's naval record. During WW1 he's listed as on Victory II, but i knwo he was in active duty, indeed a POW for a while. I'd be grateful of any help deciphering more of his record, attached. I believe he was a stoker, but he certainly wasnt in training during the Vii period, would have been a season sailor by then. Edited 31 December , 2023 by hoss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KizmeRD Posted 1 January Share Posted 1 January After enrolling in 1900 for an initial 12 year engagement, G.H.Jeffries bought himself out of the navy in 1905 by paying £8. £6 was then refunded on condition he joined the Royal Fleet Reserve (for a 5 year term), and subsequently re-enrolled for a further 5 years. When war broke out he was called-out (mobilised) for service in the Royal Naval Division (Collingwood Battalion) and became interned in Holland following the retreat from Antwerp. MB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 1 January Share Posted 1 January (edited) His RND Record Card - https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7289889 covers his internment in Holland. He returned to UK on leave on three occasions during the war. 1914 Star & Clasp to were issued to him 2 December 1920 and he also claimed Victory and British War Medals. Edited 1 January by horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 1 January Share Posted 1 January (edited) Photograph as internee in Holland = Pay No. 1252 (bottom right of image 1432) - https://www.archieven.nl/nl/zoeken?mivast=0&mizig=236&miadt=184&miview=ldt&milang=nl&misort=last_mod|desc&mizk_alle=jefferies&micode=63_170&miaet=54 Edited 1 January by horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoss Posted 1 January Share Posted 1 January (edited) Thanks thats great. I know that he was allowed to come home for xmas as a POW, which seems strange in modern times. We still have one of his shirts and a postacard from Holland, but i dont know what happened to his medals. I'm having trouble reading some of the ships served on. Below my best guess, with ship type: - ??????? - Gibraltar (1892 Edgar class) - ??????? - Victory (would that be the HMS Victory?) - Warrior (1860) - Daredevil?? - Revenge (1892 Sovreign) - ???????? - Apollo (1891 Apollo) - ???????? - Retribution (1891 Apollo) - Fine Queen Oh and where do you see the medal information?, i've dowloaded his RND card but see no reference. Edited 1 January by hoss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 1 January Share Posted 1 January (edited) 5 hours ago, hoss said: I'm having trouble reading some of the ships served on. Below my best guess, with ship type: - ??????? DUKE OF WELLINGTON - Gibraltar (1892 Edgar class) - ??????? DUKE OF WELLINGTON - Victory (would that be the HMS Victory?) SHE WAS THE NOMINAL SHIP FOR THE PORTSMOUTH BASE AND BARRACKS. - Warrior (1860) - Daredevil?? DUKE OF WELLINGTON - Revenge (1892 Sovreign) - ???????? SANS PAREIL (1887) - Apollo (1891 Apollo) - ???????? RETRIBUTION - Retribution (1891 Apollo) - Fine Queen Edited 1 January by horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 1 January Share Posted 1 January 47 minutes ago, hoss said: I know that he was allowed to come home for xmas as a POW, which seems strange in modern times. He was not a POW (of the German enemy) but an internee (of the Dutch, a neutral nation). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KizmeRD Posted 1 January Share Posted 1 January Duke of Wellington, Gibraltar, Duke of Wellington, Victory (RN Barracks, Portsmouth), Warrior, Duke of Wellington, Revenge, San Pareil, Apollo, Fire Queen, Retribution, Fire Queen. MB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 1 January Share Posted 1 January 4 hours ago, hoss said: where do you see the medal information?, i've dowloaded his RND card but see no reference. 2 x Medal Rolls at TNA = ADM 171/106 RN RATINGS MEDAL ROLL Hor to Jol and ADM 171/139 1914 STAR INDEX Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoss Posted 1 January Share Posted 1 January (edited) 2 hours ago, horatio2 said: 2 x Medal Rolls at TNA = ADM 171/106 RN RATINGS MEDAL ROLL Hor to Jol and ADM 171/139 1914 STAR INDEX Sorry could you please explain that? Ok ignore that, have worked it out, am downloading. Thanks for all of your help chaps. Edited 1 January by hoss Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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