Hurricane1 Posted 27 December , 2009 Share Posted 27 December , 2009 Hi Folks, Sorry to but in on this thread, but I'm a little confused as to whether Victory II was or was not at Crystal Palace/Sydenham area? My interest is just in a little background for the following individual... Petty Officer Stoker (Pensioner) Fred George Henry Hussey RN HMS Victory II, formerly HMS Shakespeare Died 10/10/1918 aged 44 Husband of Ethel Lucy Hussey. 51 Dartmouth Road, Copnor, Portsmouth Buried at Haslar Royal Naval Cemetery Would I be right in assuming that this seaman was administratively on the books of Victory II, not necessarily physically in South London. Does the pensioner bit mean that he had already been discharged from service witha pension? Hope someone can help. Cheers Brazen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals Posted 27 December , 2009 Share Posted 27 December , 2009 Yep your right, just say you chap was a Portsmouth Rating serving on a surface ship. If he were to stanb by a ship being built or just nearing completion, he would go on the books of Victory II, or even it he was to travel through Europe to serve on a ship overseas, he would go on the books of Victory II, so from what i can work out it can cover a variety of different reasosn. If your Stoker was a Pembroke rating, he would have Pembroke II to cover these things. If he was Stoker and a Devenport Rating, he would have Vivid II on his papers. Hope this helps. The same goes for submariners, many course, training, travel, standing by a completing submarine, you would go on the books of Dolphin, so they would not physically be at Fort Blockhouse. DB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurricane1 Posted 27 December , 2009 Share Posted 27 December , 2009 Hi Darren, Thanks for that, I'll check his record when I get the chance. Cheers Brazen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals Posted 27 December , 2009 Share Posted 27 December , 2009 Just a correection, a Chatham rating would have Pembrke II. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g0bby-1 Posted 28 December , 2009 Share Posted 28 December , 2009 Darren, sorry I haven't sent Georges papers to you yet, but under the 10 post rule, I cannot PM you... Working on that today !! Dale. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Signals Posted 28 December , 2009 Share Posted 28 December , 2009 Hi Gobby, just tried to send you a PM with my email, but it rejected me as you have it disabled. Go to the thread HMS E18 in the Baltic, my email is on there. Cheers DB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 23 September , 2018 Share Posted 23 September , 2018 Hi Guys, Im looking for a little bit of help here please. I am doing my family tree and i have found my great grandfathers service record from ww1. He was a portsmouth based stoker. On his service record it states Victory II and then i think it says Attentive II? followed by writing that i cant make out. I would really like to know where he served. If anyone can offer any help that would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Tom --bia-filer2.web.local-DODelFiles2-ADM-188-924-0-443.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 23 September , 2018 Share Posted 23 September , 2018 Looks like HMS Mermaid, 1898-1919. This from her Google entry: "In July 1914 she was in active commission in the 6th Destroyer Flotilla tendered to HMS Attentive based at Dover." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 26 September , 2018 Share Posted 26 September , 2018 Hi, I was wondering if anyone could help, I’m researching my great grandfather on behalf of my grandad, I can see from service records that he was a Stoker, and identified Victory 2, Colleen and Hecla 2 but I’m not sure about the rest and to be honest very new to this and a bit clueless as to what his role would entail, if it’s a static position docked etc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 26 September , 2018 Share Posted 26 September , 2018 HMS CROCUS seems to have been another of his ships. If I remember correctly COLLEEN II - (CROCUS) means that CROCUS was administered from, or a tender to, COLLEEN II; CROCUS seems to have been attached to Gibraltar and to HECLA II at other periods. It may, of course, be that I fail to remember, but I'm sure someone will be along soon with a correction. seaJane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 26 September , 2018 Share Posted 26 September , 2018 SeaJane thanks so much for that, it’s a massive help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seaJane Posted 26 September , 2018 Share Posted 26 September , 2018 I did check Wikipedia, which simply states that CROCUS was an ARABIS-class minesweeping sloop* launched in 1915 and sold in 1930. For the ARABIS class (aka Cabbage Class or the Herbaceous Border) see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabis-class_sloop More about CROCUS http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/tfs/index.php/H.M.S._Crocus_(1915) https://www.naval-history.net/OWShips-WW1-18-HMS_Crocus.htm (voyages 1921-23) *(Not to be confused with the WW2 Herbaceous Border Flower Class corvette of the same name) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tavern Druid Posted 9 April , 2019 Share Posted 9 April , 2019 On 12/12/2008 at 11:34, Signals said: Hi Charles, certainly something changed when i put these men's papers togeteher. All Stokers and ERA's have Victory II on their papers rof and on up to WW1, and then directly after it, but none during. I'll look at another crew list shortly, and just a quick browse i can see she had one ERA on the books of Victory II in 1915. DB. Hi DB Just picked up this old thread. I am researching CHARLES ROBERT CORNELIUS TURNER K10536, Joined 22 Feb 1911, Stoker then Leading Stoker, Killed on HMS Derwent 2 May 1917. His record says he was at Victory II 1 May 1915. Doesn't give and end date but the next posting, which could be Victory or Derwent as there is a double entry of Ditto, is 1 Sept 1916. There are two ships that I cannot read both have been squeeze in between two rows on the page. Hope this helps with you project. Best Wishes David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakjim Posted 9 February , 2020 Share Posted 9 February , 2020 Hi All I have just found this site, my Great Grandfather was attached to HMS Victory 11 from 9 OCT 1917 to 06 FEB 1918. He was RNVR before changing to the RN. On his service record it has RNVR Division Mersey ( Mersey was stamped) Under HMS Victory 11 is Pembroke. AS he came from Warrington, can anyone tell me if he was in Mersey or a Portsmouth Rating He was a Stoker. Thanks Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 10 February , 2020 Share Posted 10 February , 2020 Welsome to the GWF. A name would help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakjim Posted 12 February , 2020 Share Posted 12 February , 2020 Hi H H Challinor Service Number Z4201 Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 12 February , 2020 Share Posted 12 February , 2020 His RNVR Official Number was Mersey Z/4201 (MZ/4201) so he was a Mersey Division RNVR rating. His draft to VICTORY II was his RNVR recruit training time at Crystal Palace. On transfer to Stoker RN (Official Number K.49535) his RN Port Division was Chatham. Hence the frequent drafts back to Chatham Barracks (HMS PEMBROKE) between sea drafts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakjim Posted 12 February , 2020 Share Posted 12 February , 2020 Thanks for that, I have a copy of his service record for when he joined the RN,which shows he was a Chatham Rating.. Regards OakJim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 8 May , 2020 Share Posted 8 May , 2020 I have just out that my Great Grandfather Edwin Westgate served on Victory 11 during WW1 and it would appear he travelled to Canada. He was discharged/invalided on the 18 November 1915. Where can I get further information? I look forward to hearing from you. Regards Sue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 8 May , 2020 Share Posted 8 May , 2020 (edited) Welcome to the GWF, Sue. Your GGF was an RN stoker (Official No. K.28126) who enlisted on 22 Sep 1915 for the duration of the war.. He would have gone to the RN Barracks at Portsmouth for stoker recruit training (borne for pay and admin on the books of HMS VICTORY II) but after only two months he was discharged from the RN 'Invalided'. His record can be downloaded free from the National Archives here - https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6986501 He qualified for the British War Medal only but it was not issued as he never claimed it. He did not go to Canada with the RN. Edited 8 May , 2020 by horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naval Gazing Posted 11 May , 2020 Share Posted 11 May , 2020 Hello, As this is an old thread I'm being optimistic here. Looking for an explanation as to why my grandfathers Naval Record states "Vic II from Virginian" 26 September 1915 . This was followed by HMS Castor 12th November 1915. Serving as RNR Engine Room Artificer, Grandpa was gazetted on 7th August 1915 to receive the DSM, in recognition of service in the patrol cruisers since the outbreak of war. He had served on HMS Virginian from 8th December 1914. Was Victory II a kind of "Post restante" for administration purposes? He was a second engineer with the merchant fleet prior to volunteering in November 1914 so training at Victory II seems unlikely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KizmeRD Posted 11 May , 2020 Share Posted 11 May , 2020 Victory II was an accounting base, it’s actual physical location was unimportant to men on its books, it was not necessarily the establishment or ship in which they served (simply the place where a man’s pay was administered from). It moved from Portsmouth to Crystal Palace in 1915, then returned to Portsmouth in 1918. Crystal Palace was also the location of the Royal Naval Division new entry training establishment, as well as being an RNVR Signals School. No stoker or ERA underwent technical branch training at Crystal Palace, that would still have physically taken place at Portsmouth aboard one of the navy’s specialist engineering hulks. As a pre-war Mercantile Marine Second Engineer your GF would already have been very familiar with the workings of a triple expansion engine (as fitted on the AMC HMS Virginian), but prior to transferring to the light cruiser HMS Castor he would have had to attend a qualifying course to ensure he could operate RN turbine propulsion systems (that would probably also have been a promotion course). Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naval Gazing Posted 12 May , 2020 Share Posted 12 May , 2020 Thank you Michael this is really helpful. Regards Marianne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 13 May , 2020 Admin Share Posted 13 May , 2020 I have hidden the image of the cap badge, as you already have a thread running on this. Duplicate posts on the same subject can cause confusion and repetition of answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gillian Hazell Posted 28 September , 2020 Share Posted 28 September , 2020 Hi, just looking through all the comments about Victory. My great uncle was a stoker and was shown as being on Victory 11 during his service. I am clueless at reading these records, I have attached his and hope somebody could help me with the info provided, really so that I can have an idea of what he did. Thank you. ADM-188-1128-122400.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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