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Victory II


Duncan

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Hi Folks,

Sorry to but in on this thread, but I'm a little confused as to whether Victory II was or was not at Crystal Palace/Sydenham area?

My interest is just in a little background for the following individual...

Petty Officer Stoker (Pensioner) Fred George Henry Hussey RN

HMS Victory II, formerly HMS Shakespeare

Died 10/10/1918 aged 44

Husband of Ethel Lucy Hussey. 51 Dartmouth Road, Copnor, Portsmouth

Buried at Haslar Royal Naval Cemetery

Would I be right in assuming that this seaman was administratively on the books of Victory II, not necessarily physically in South London. Does the pensioner bit mean that he had already been discharged from service witha pension?

Hope someone can help.

Cheers

Brazen

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Yep your right, just say you chap was a Portsmouth Rating serving on a surface ship. If he were to stanb by a ship being built or just nearing completion, he would go on the books of Victory II, or even it he was to travel through Europe to serve on a ship overseas, he would go on the books of Victory II, so from what i can work out it can cover a variety of different reasosn.

If your Stoker was a Pembroke rating, he would have Pembroke II to cover these things.

If he was Stoker and a Devenport Rating, he would have Vivid II on his papers.

Hope this helps.

The same goes for submariners, many course, training, travel, standing by a completing submarine, you would go on the books of Dolphin, so they would not physically be at Fort Blockhouse.

DB

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Darren,

sorry I haven't sent Georges papers to you yet, but under the 10 post rule, I cannot PM you...

Working on that today !!

Dale.

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Hi Gobby,

just tried to send you a PM with my email, but it rejected me as you have it disabled. Go to the thread HMS E18 in the Baltic, my email is on there.

Cheers DB

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  • 8 years later...

Hi Guys,

 

Im looking for a little bit of help here please.  I am doing my family tree and i have found my great grandfathers service record from ww1.  He was a portsmouth based stoker.  On his service record it states Victory II and then i think it says Attentive II? followed by writing that i cant make out.  I would really like to know where he served.  If anyone can offer any help that would be greatly appreciated.

 

Thanks

 

Tom

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Looks like HMS Mermaid, 1898-1919. This from her Google entry: "In July 1914 she was in active commission in the 6th Destroyer Flotilla tendered to HMS Attentive based at Dover."

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Hi, I was wondering if anyone could help, I’m researching my great grandfather on behalf of my grandad, I can see from service records that he was a Stoker, and identified Victory 2, Colleen and Hecla 2 but I’m not sure about the rest and to be honest very new to this and a bit clueless as to what his role would entail, if it’s a static position docked etc

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HMS CROCUS seems to have been another of his ships. If I remember correctly COLLEEN II - (CROCUS) means that CROCUS was administered from, or a tender to, COLLEEN II; CROCUS seems to have been attached to Gibraltar and to HECLA II at other periods.

 

It may, of course, be that I fail to remember, but I'm sure someone will be along soon with a correction.

 

seaJane

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I did check Wikipedia, which simply states that CROCUS was an ARABIS-class minesweeping sloop* launched in 1915 and sold in 1930.

 

For the ARABIS class (aka Cabbage Class or the Herbaceous Border) see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabis-class_sloop 

 

More about CROCUS http://www.dreadnoughtproject.org/tfs/index.php/H.M.S._Crocus_(1915)

https://www.naval-history.net/OWShips-WW1-18-HMS_Crocus.htm (voyages 1921-23) 

 

*(Not to be confused with the WW2 Herbaceous Border Flower Class corvette of the same name)

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  • 6 months later...
On 12/12/2008 at 11:34, Signals said:

Hi Charles,

certainly something changed when i put these men's papers togeteher. All Stokers and ERA's have Victory II on their papers rof and on up to WW1, and then directly after it, but none during.

I'll look at another crew list shortly, and just a quick browse i can see she had one ERA on the books of Victory II in 1915.

DB.

Hi DB

 

Just picked up this old thread.

I am researching CHARLES ROBERT CORNELIUS TURNER K10536, Joined 22 Feb 1911, Stoker then Leading Stoker, Killed on HMS Derwent 2 May 1917.

His record says he was at Victory II 1 May 1915.

Doesn't give and end date but the next posting, which could be Victory or Derwent as there is a double entry of Ditto, is 1 Sept 1916.

There are two ships that I cannot read both have been squeeze in between two rows on the page.

 

Hope this helps with you project.

 

Best Wishes

 

David

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Hi All

 

I have just found this site, my Great Grandfather was attached to HMS Victory 11 from 9 OCT 1917 to 06 FEB 1918. 

He was RNVR before changing to the RN.

On his service record it has RNVR Division Mersey ( Mersey was stamped)

Under HMS Victory 11 is Pembroke.

 

AS he came from Warrington, can anyone tell me if he was in Mersey or a Portsmouth Rating

He was a Stoker.

 

Thanks

 

Jim  

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His RNVR Official Number was Mersey Z/4201 (MZ/4201) so he was a Mersey Division RNVR rating. His draft to VICTORY II was his RNVR recruit training time at Crystal Palace.

On transfer to Stoker RN (Official Number K.49535) his RN Port Division was Chatham. Hence the frequent drafts back to Chatham Barracks (HMS PEMBROKE) between sea drafts.

 

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I have just out that my Great Grandfather Edwin Westgate served on Victory 11 during WW1 and it would appear he travelled to Canada. He was discharged/invalided on the 18 November 1915. Where can I get further information? I look forward to hearing from you.  Regards Sue 

 

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Welcome to the GWF, Sue.

Your GGF was an RN stoker (Official No. K.28126) who enlisted on 22 Sep 1915 for the duration of the war.. He would have gone to the RN Barracks at Portsmouth for stoker recruit training (borne for pay and admin on the books of HMS VICTORY II) but after only two months he was discharged from the RN 'Invalided'.

His record can be downloaded free from the National Archives here - https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6986501

He qualified for the British War Medal only but it was not issued as he never claimed it.

He did not go to Canada with the RN.

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Hello,

As this is an old thread I'm being optimistic here. Looking for an explanation as to why my grandfathers Naval Record states "Vic II from Virginian" 26 September 1915 .

This was followed by HMS Castor 12th November 1915.

Serving as RNR Engine Room Artificer, Grandpa was gazetted on 7th August 1915 to receive the DSM, in recognition of service in the patrol cruisers since the outbreak of war.

He had served on HMS Virginian from 8th December 1914.

Was Victory II a kind of "Post restante" for administration purposes?

He was a second engineer with the merchant fleet prior to volunteering in November 1914 so training at Victory II seems unlikely.

 

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Victory II was an accounting base, it’s actual physical location was unimportant to men on its books, it was not necessarily the establishment or ship in which they served (simply the place where a man’s pay was administered from). It moved from Portsmouth to Crystal Palace in 1915, then returned to Portsmouth in 1918.

Crystal Palace was also the location of the Royal Naval Division new entry training establishment, as well as being an RNVR Signals School.

No stoker or ERA underwent technical branch training at Crystal Palace, that would still have physically taken place at Portsmouth aboard one of the navy’s specialist engineering hulks.

As a pre-war Mercantile Marine Second Engineer your GF would already have been very familiar with the workings of a triple expansion engine (as fitted on the AMC HMS Virginian), but prior to transferring to the light cruiser HMS Castor he would have had to attend a qualifying course to ensure he could operate RN turbine propulsion systems (that would probably also have been a promotion course).

Michael

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I have hidden the image of the cap badge, as you already have a thread running on this. Duplicate posts on the same subject can cause confusion and repetition of answers. 

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Hi, just looking through all the comments about Victory. My great uncle was a stoker and was shown as being on Victory 11 during his service. I am clueless at reading these records, I have attached his and hope somebody could help me with the info provided, really so that I can have an idea of what he did. Thank you.

ADM-188-1128-122400.pdf

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