T Hurren Posted 16 July , 2020 Share Posted 16 July , 2020 Hi Steve, I am looking for information on my British Great Grand Father Charles Hurren No 51444 and would be grateful if you have any information that you could share. Our family were aware that he served in the ICC – we assume 2nd Battalion and a photo of this experience has survived. However any other information about his service in WW1 is fairly light. His Medal card record indicates he served in the following units - City of London Yeomanry – we assume 1/1st - followed by Imperial Camel Corps and Staffordshire Yeomanry. I note in one of your previous posts (some time ago) you suggest he might have been in the 9th Company in the ICC? "Hurren Charles 51444 Pte Tos possibly 9Co? ICC Ex 1/1 City of London Yeo (11066) and Stafford Yeo (301840)" Can I ask what records you might have that confirms this? Is this based on the service no assigned or where/when other City of London Yeomanry were also assigned to 9th Co? Trying to piece together other information – it suggests that he enlisted around 1915 and could have been transferred into the ICC in March 1916. We understand that he was disembodied on 30.07.19 – though we aren’t sure when he might have been moved from the Camel Corps back to the Yeomanry and how long he might have spent in the Middle East. After the war he emigrated to Australia with his young family and lived in Queensland for the remainder of his life. I often wonder if the exposure to Australian troops in the ICC was a contributing factor to his decision to emigrate. He enlisted again this time in the Australian Army during WWII, stationed only in Australia it seems. From the records it looks like he dropped his age in order to meet the age restrictions. Reading through your replies to others has been incredibly helpful. Any information you might have would be really appreciated. Kind Regards Tracey Hurren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 16 July , 2020 Share Posted 16 July , 2020 Tracey, Yes you have what I have at presant. I notice like my Grandfather he also served in WWII in the Accounts officer in WA, while yours served in the same in Qld. Old Soldiers Charlie appears to be among a group who came later to the ICC, but the date so far has alluded me. Fahy Joseph P. 51440 Sgt Tos possibly 9Co? shown ICC to 5Co MID - reason not stated Ex 17th Lancers (6114) to 1/1 City of London Yeo (Rough Riders) (13393) to Corps of Lancers see medal index cards Smith Charles V. 51441 Pte shown 7Co ICC Ex 1/1st Ayrshire Yeo (2316) also shown as (51141) and Corps of Hussars (51411) Marlborough (Marlbrough) Thomas W 51442 Pte shown ICC Ex Essex Yeo (729) to 1/1 Hereford Yeo (106481) shown Kew records Beesley John A. 51443 Pte Tos possibly 9Co? shown ICC Ex 1/1 Warwick Yeo (2657) to Spr Royal Engineers (193477) Hurren Charles Gladstone 51444 Pte Tos possibly 9Co? shown ICC Ex 1/1 City of London Yeo (Rough Riders) (11066) and Stafford Yeo (301840) and Corps of Hussars White George J. 51447 Pte possibly ICC? Ex Lancer (419) and 1/1 Nottingham Yeo (Sherwood Rangers) (51447) and Corps of Hussars (76104) see medal index cards Kirkpatrick James 51451 Pte shown ICC Ex 1/1 Nottingham Yeo (South Notts Hussars) (2769) and Corps of Hussars (51451) I think 9th Company as the CofL Yeomanry mostly went to that Company but so far I can't confirm? As to when he transfered into the ICC, then to the Staffords, I can't confirm, only its possible late in 1918 as the Camel Corps was reduced after June 1918 and many men were sent to other units or returned to there original units. Around the July the 9th Company was on the Canal between Gamiel and Ferry Post with the 8th Company, remainder of the 2Bn was with TEL fighting in Arabia, so Charlie may have gone somewhere to get back into the fighting? Of cause they also could have been in Oct 1918 when both the 9th and 10th Companies were disbanded. So not much I can help here as the men around his number appear just a mixed bag from many different units, theres a great number, just to give you some idea; Harrison Harold 51428 Pte shown ICC Ex 1/1 Worcester Yeo (76407) and Corps of Hussars shown Kew records Johns Leslie W 51429 Pte Tos possibly 9Co? shown ICC Ex County of London Yeo (81539) and Devon Regt (2609) and Essex Yeo and Corps of Hussars Crippa Alexander 51431 Pte Tos possibly 9Co? shown ICC Ex 1/1 City of London Yeo (Rough Riders) (1875) and Corps of Hussars (327161) Brown Alfred G. 51432 Pte Tos possibly 9Co? shown ICC Ex 1/2 County of London Yeo (Westminster Dragoons) (7783) to 2 Dragoon Guards (389702) Griffiths John W. 51432 A/Cpl Tos possibly 9Co? shown ICC Ex 5th Dragoon Guards (5372) and 1/2 County of London Yeo (Westminster Dragoons) (16427) Caunce Henry 51434 Pte Tos possibly 9Co? shown ICC Ex Corps of Hussars (76405) shown Kew records Picking George J. 51437 Pte Tos possibly 9Co? shown ICC Ex County of London Yeo (327144) and Corps of Hussars to Worcester Yeo (327144) Dolan James 51438 Pte Tos possibly 9Co? ICC? Ex County of London Yeo (14304) and Corps of Hussars Gisborne George F. 51452 Pte Possibly ICC? Ex 1/1 Nottingham Yeo (South Notts Hussars) (906) and Corps of Hussars Lawrence James 51453 Pte Possibly ICC? Ex 1/1 Nottingham Yeo (South Notts Hussars) (1018) and Corps of Hussars shown Kew records Mervill George Herbert 51454 Pte Possibly ICC? Ex 1/1 Nottingham Yeo (South Notts Hussars) (1899) and Corps of Hussars Foster Frank 51455 Pte Possibly ICC? Ex 1/1 Nottingham Yeo (South Notts Hussars) (1067) and Corps of Hussars Richardson George W. 51456 Pte Possibly ICC? Ex 1/1 Nottingham Yeo (South Notts Hussars) (798) and Corps of Hussars Briggs Arthur 51459 Pte possibly ICC? Ex Derby Yeo (2235) and Corps of Hussars Gibson David 51462 Pte possibly ICC? Ex 1/1 City of London Yeo (Rough Riders) (1764) and Corps of Hussars Bull George L. 51463 Pte possibly ICC? Ex 1/1 Lincoln Yeo (27855) and Corps of Hussars Moreton Thomas S 51465 Pte shown ICC Ex 1/1 Cheshire Yeo (660) and Corps of Hussars France William 51467 Pte possibly ICC? Ex Royal Welsh Fusiliers (42287) and Corps of Hussars Duggan William Emanuel 51468 Pte shown ICC Ex Royal Irish Rifles (1/40956) and Camel Corps Egyptian Army Sorry about that but its now to long for us to find out? Hope this helps, if you need more on possibly is Company and its travels let me known Cheers S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T Hurren Posted 16 July , 2020 Share Posted 16 July , 2020 Hi Steve, Thank you so much for your quick reply - very helpful. I am trying to pull some of this together for my Dad who also has an interest in the military history. Given so much time has passed my Dad doesn't have a lot of recollection of stories shared when he was a boy - beyond a strong memory that Charlie was based on the Suez Canal for a while...where they used the camels to drag chains along the bank everyday to check next morning if anyone had crossed during the night. As a child I remember seeing that he had written up some memoirs - which are now sadly lost - would have loved the opportunity to read them now. One more question if I could trouble you - do you have any list that summarises a bit more re the 09th Company locations or events? Thanks again Tracey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 17 July , 2020 Share Posted 17 July , 2020 Mate, No worries. My GF also was short on details all he said was he rode a camel like TEL, this was in the sixties after the movie came out. Only later did we find a photo like yours of him on a camel, which looks like most of the men did back then. Cheers S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 18 July , 2020 Share Posted 18 July , 2020 Mate, An outline of the 9th Company during the war. 30-4-16 9Co under Maj the Earl Winterton (8th (Yeomanry) Mtd Bde - 1/1 County of London *Middlesex Hussars 1/3 County of London *Sharpshooters, 1/1 City of London *Rough riders & 1/1 West Kent Yeo) arrived ICC depot 24-6-16 9Co under Capt Winterton (5 officers 108 men 136 camels) moved to Shalloufa (Lt's Combe - Marsh - Stephens - Dyott?) 31-7-16 LtCol Smith VC to gather 4Co 6Co 9Co & 10Co on the Canal 3-8-16 4Co at El Ferdan moved to join 6Co 9Co and 10Co of Moblie Column under LtCol Smith 4-8-16 Camel Bn under Maj de Knoop formed (4Co 6Co 9Co & 10Co) with 4Co (4 officers 108 men 144 camels) & 10Co (4 officers 107 men 136 camels) moved to Bir el Mahadat for Romani operations 5-8-16 Camel Bn moved from Mahadat via Bada to Hill 385 with 6Co engagement at Hamisah 6-8-16 Camel Bn arrived Mageibra and moved to Bir el Aweidiya and engaged the Turks (4Co 6Co 9Co 10Co) 7-8-16 Camel Bn moved from Aweidiya to Bir el Bayud 11LHR captured prisoners, moved to Hod el Muhammam where Camel Bn with 4Co & 6Co attacked and Maj de Knoop & Lt the Barron De Rutzen OC 6Co were killed & Maj Bardwell 10Co took command and withdrawal to Mageibra (reported total columns (LH & Yeomanry and ICC) casualties 2 officers 12 men killed and 1 officer and 37 men wounded) 8-8-16 Camel Bn arrived Mageibra around 0200 bombed by plane & Lt Ashlin replaced Maj Bardwell 10Co & Lt Pettit replaced Lt the Barron De Rutzen 6Co killed at Hod el Muhammam 8-8-16 15Co NZ under Capt McCallum (5 officers 125 men) arrived ICC depot 9-8-16 4Co & 10Co under Maj Bardwell moved to Hill 280 near Hod el Bayud 10-8-16 4Co 9Co & 10Co moved to Bir el Abd to support LH who engaged at Mushalfat (Homossia) and retired to Bayud 11-8-16 4Co 9Co & 10Co under Maj Bardwell attacked by Turks at Bir el Bayud Smith's Column retired to Mageibra 12-8-16 9Co att Troop 11 LHR to Bayud 14-8-16 9Co patrol Bayud area 29-8-16 9Co to Shalluga (mate during the next few months the 9th Company was by itself) 30-8-16 all ICC companies to increase to (179 men) 184 all ranks 1917 5-1-17 9Co 1/2 moved to Geneffe & 1/2 to Kabrit around Shallufa (it was still by itself, the Camel bde was formed in Dec 1916, but without the 8Co, 9Co and 10Co) 15-2-17 operation to Nekhl from Serapeum by LtCol Grant's 11 LHR (420 men) + part 124 FAmb (26 men) + Wireless pack Sect with Capt Stirling Gen Staff & Lt Stuart Intell officer along with 9Co (60 men) from Shallufa return 22-2-17 18-3-17 9Co moved from Ayun Musa to El Arish & Capt Orchardson replaced Maj Winterton 9Co (the 9Co now joined the 2Bn Camel bde) 24-3-17 9Co under Maj Winterton (6 officers 166 men 186 camels) arrived ICC bde - 9Co officers (Lt's Orchardson (2ic) - Newsom - Marsh - Combe - Stephens) Maj Winterton to 2ic 2Bn and Lt Orchardson to OC 9Co 26/27-3-17 Battle at 1st Gaza Camel Bde HQ 1Bn ICC (1Co 3Co 4Co 15Co) 2Bn ICC (5Co 6Co 7Co 9Co) 3Bn ICC (11Co 12Co 14Co) HKSMB 26 MG Sqn (265 MG Co) 1/1 Scottish Horse FAmb 19-4-17 Battle at 2nd Gaza Camel Bde HQ BrigGen Smith VC Bde/Maj Stocker 1st Battalion LtCol Langley 1st Co Capt Cashman Maj Mills (2ic) 2nd Co Capt Campbell Adjt Capt Goldenstedt 3rd Co Capt Naylor KIA 4th Co Capt Denson 2nd British Battalion LtCol Gardner 5th Co Capt Wilson Maj Winterton (2ic) 6th Co Capt Houghton Adjt Capt Tod 7th Co Capt Gregory 9th Co Capt Orchardson KIA 3rd Anzac Battalion LtCol De Lancey-Forth WIA 11th Co Capt Creswell Maj Donovan (2ic) 12th Co Capt Norris Adjt Capt Hemphill 14th Co Capt Tolmer 15th NZ Co Capt Priest KIA HK&S Batty Maj Moore 265 MG Co (26 MG Sqn) Maj Millar 1/1st Scottish Horse FAmb Maj Mason Total casualties 4 officers and 41 men killed with 19 officers and 271 men wounded (killed Capt Naylor Capt Orchardson Capt Priest with Lt Chapman HK&SMB) with Lt's Fender and Hill died of wounds 22-4-17 ICC Bde moved to Abasan Kebir & Capt Day replaced Capt Orchardson 9Co KIA & 2/Lt Ranclaud T/OC 3Co 23-4-17 ICC Bde moved to Abu Sitta 1-5-17 9Co (Capt Day OC Lt Brothers (2ic) Lt Gowlett & Strickland) 19-5-17 ICC Bde escorted by Imperial MD moved to Rafa for the Auja Raid along with Asluj Raid by Anzac MD arrived 21-5-17 21-5-17 began demo of rail line around Auja Station and bridges over the Wadi Husaniya & Wadi Abiab 11-8-17 reported 2Bn ICC group under LtCol Gardner (5Co 6Co 7Co 9Co) (26 officers 537 men) raid on the Sena Redoubt (raiding force 26 officers 432 men) + part 4Bn ICC under LtCol Lee to support 30-10-17 ICC Bde on operations around Beersheba moved to Taweil el Habari 2xCo's 3Bn ICC replaced 2xCo's 2Bn to Fort Kent and with 10Co att 4Bn ICC reported 3Bn strength 25 officers 647 men 31-10-17 Battle Beersheba Camel Bde HQ 2Bn (7Co 8Co 9Co 10Co) 3Bn (11Co 12Co 13Co 14Co) 4Bn (15Co 16Co 17Co 18Co) HK&SMB 26 MG Sqn and ACFA + 2xBn's Royal Fusiliers 1-11-17 fighting around Beersheba & Capt Bell replaced Capt Norris 12Co & Capt Day replaced Capt Paterson 8Co & Capt Newsam replaced Capt Day 9Co to T/OC 8Co 5-11-17 2Bn ICC & 4Bn ICC moved to Ras el Nagb 27 Nov to 5 Dec 1917 Battle at Bald Hill Camel Bde HQ BrigGen Smith VC Bde/Maj Stocker 2nd British Battalion LtCol Buxton 7th Co Capt Gregory (KIA) 2ic Maj Winterton 8th Co Capt Day Adjt Capt Tod 9th Co Capt Newsam 10th Co Capt Wilkinson 3rd Anzac battalion LtCol DeLancey-Forth 11th Co Capt Dixon 2ic unknown 12th Co Capt Bell Adjt Lt Hornby 13th Co Capt Howard 14th Co Capt Ranclaud 4th Anzac Battalion LtCol Lee 15th NZ Co Lt Black 2ic Maj Hemphill (NZ) 16th NZ Co Capt Yerex Adjt 17th Co Capt Hampton 18th Co Capt Camel FAmb LtCol Arnold 26th MG Sqn Maj Millar 5-12-17 ICC Bde relived by NZMB in the Bald Hill defences during night 6-12-17 ICC Bde returned to Shellal arrived 10-12-17 1918 3-18 Reported companies reorg with extra men forming into Demo parties and attach to each company increasing strength from 179 men each Company reduced to 5 officers and 129 men 154 riding camels and 18 baggage camels for Amman operation 10-3-18 ICC Bde left Shellal to began moving to Bethlehem ICC Bde concentrated around Solomans Pools 18-3-18 21-3-18 ICC Bde moved to Tal’at ed Dumm arrived 23-3-18 24-3-18 ICC Bde crossed the Jordan 27/30-3-18 Battle of Amman Camel Bde HQ BrigGen Smith VC Bde/Maj Nash-Wortham 1st Anzac Battalion LtCol Langley WIA to Capt Denson 1st Co Lt Nicholson 2ic Maj Nobbs 2nd Co Capt Mills Adjt Capt Campbell 3rd Co Capt Hogue 4th Co Capt Denson /Lt Matthews 2nd British Battalion LtCol Buxton 7th Co Capt Deas 2ic Maj Day 8th Co Capt Tredinnick Adjt Capt Hornby 9th Co Capt Newsom (KIA) 10th Co Lt Lyall (KIA) 4th Anzac Battalion LtCol Mills 13th Co Capt Howard 2ic Maj Hemphill (NZ) 16th NZ Co Capt Yerex Adjt Lt Treweek (NZ) 17th Co Capt Hampton 18th Co Maj Kessels WIA HKSB Maj Moore 26 MG Sqn Maj Millar Camel FAmb LtCol McLaren less 1Co on escort duty and 3Co on Jordan and half 2Co as escort to ICC Bde HQ and ACFA att 2Co's 2/18Bn London Regt under Capt Crossby 30-3-18 4-18 2/Lt Jones arrived 10Co - Lt Inchbald replaced Capt Tredinnick OC 8Co & Lt Brothers replaced Capt Newsam OC 9Co KIA & Lt Snow replaced Lt Lyall OC 10Co KIA & Capt Tredinnick replaced Capt Hornby Adjt 2Bn HQ WIA & Capt Howard replaced Maj Kessels OC 18Co WIA 1-4-18 ICC Bde arrived Tel el Sultan near Jericho 10-4-18 2Bn relieved by 1Bn in line at Mussallabeh - Lt JC Smith T/replaces Capt Hampton OC 13Co return 17Co 12-5-18 11-4-18 Battle of Mussallabeh Camel Brigade HQ BrigGen Smith VC Bde/Maj Nash-Wortham 1st Anzac Battalion LtCol Langley 1st Co Capt Wright 2ic Maj Nobbs 2nd Co Capt Mills Adjt 3rd Co Capt Hogue 4th Co Lt Love 2nd British Battalion LtCol Bassatt 7th British Co Capt Deas 2ic Capt Tod 8th British Co Lt Inchbald WIA Adjt Capt Tredinnick 9th British Co Lt Brothers 10th British Co Capt Patterson 4th Anzac Battalion LtCol Mills 13th Co Lt Smith 2ic Maj Hemphill (NZ) 16th NZ Co Capt Yerex Adjt Lt Treweek (NZ) 17th Co Capt Hampton 18th Co Capt Howard HKSB Maj Moore 26 MG Sqn Maj Millar Camel FAmb LtCol Mc Laren 2/3-5-18 Battle of Es Salt ICC Bde 1Bn (1Co 2Co 3Co 4Co) 2Bn (7Co 8Co 9Co 10Co) 4Bn (13Co 16Co 17Co 18Co) 26 MG Sqn and ACFA attack by the 8Co and 18Co to support fighting across the Jordan 11-5-18 2Bn ICC moved to Talat el Dum arrived 13-5-18 13-5-18 ICC Bde moved to Khirbet Deiran arrived 16-5-18 16-5-18 ICC Bde arrived Ramlah During month 2Bn ICC returned to Ismailia took over 3Bn ICC positions along the Canal 10-6-18 9Co took over from 15Co at Ferdan 24-7-18 2Bn ICC (7Co 10Co) under Maj Buxton moved from Kubri to join (TEL) Lawrence's Arab forces while 8Co & 9Co remained on the Canal between Gamiel to Ferry post 31-7-18 2Bn ICC (-) arrived Akaba 10-18 Possibly 9Co and 10Co disbanded around this date (TBC?) (no date found so far?) May 1919 records show 2Bn ICC (less 9Co and 10Co) disbanded at Abbassia Mate that's the story I have on the 9Co during the war. Hope that helps you and your family. Cheers S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roselyn2 Posted 18 July , 2020 Share Posted 18 July , 2020 215236 Benjamin Ernest Payne 2/1 Denbighshire Hussars. Also R. W. Fus. From Mumbles Swansea. Died 20. 7. 1918. Have you got any information on Payne.?. Lyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T Hurren Posted 18 July , 2020 Share Posted 18 July , 2020 Thank you again Steve - very much appreciated. Cheers Tracey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 18 July , 2020 Share Posted 18 July , 2020 Lyn, Mate I check all records but had trouble finding him? He is not shown on the MIC under Denbigh Yeomanry or under that number? They show two men by the name Payne, Thomas (1535) and Henry (1626) I have also two men named Payne in the ICC Payne Albert C. 50820 Pte Tos 9Co? 4-16 shown ICC Ex 1/1 County of London Yeo (Middlesex Hussars) (3887) and Corps of Hussars shown Kew records Payne Fred 51174 Pte Tos possibly 7Co? shown ICC to L/Cpl shown arrived at 5Co with CQMS Loten 10-18 Ex London Regt (3459) and Corps of Hussars So sorry I can't find him at present I have around 32 men from that Denbigh Yeomanry Regt and all served in the 6th Company ICC You will notice that most came from the 24Bn RWF, this happened in Egypt when the Denbigh's were converted into the RWF for the Yeomanry Division As you can see when that happened there numbers changed to a 345*** number not as you have a 215*** No the off chance his number maybe 345236 I checked but no, it did show a Denbigh Yeomanry man, named William Mapp (908) and RWF (345236) So he followed the same course. These are the Denbigh Men I have Vickers Alfred 50378 Cpl Tos 6Co 5-16 ICC shown Cpl led patrol to Sebil from Sollum 1-18 Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (697) and Corps of Hussars to 24Bn Royal Welsh Fusiliers (345185) to Royal Engineers (WR/291088) Hughes John 50379 Cpl Tos 6Co? 5-16 ICC? Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (413) and Corps of Hussars Brassen (Brassey) Geofrey T 50382 Pte Tos 6Co 5-16 ICC? shown L/Cpl led patrol to Sebil from Sollum 3-18 Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (5243) and Corps of Hussars Davies William J 50383 Pte Tos 6Co? 5-16 ICC? Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (3221) and Corps of Hussars Davies John H 50384 Pte Tos 6Co? 5-16 ICC? Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (5279) and Corps of Hussars to 24Bn Royal Welsh Fusiliers (345459) Evans E 50387 Pte Tos 6Co? 5-16 ICC? Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (537) and Corps of Hussars Evans Harry 50388 Pte Tos 6Co? 5-16 ICC? Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (372) and Corps of Hussars shown Kew records (50533) Evans Robert 50389 Pte Tos 6Co? 5-16 ICC? Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (345197) and Corps of Hussars Gunter George F. 50390 Pte Tos 6Co? 5-16 ICC Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (552) and Corps of Hussars later 24Bn Royal Welsh Fusiliers (345119) Gross William R. 50391 Pte Tos 6Co 5-16 ICC WIA 1-9-18 reported wounded with Pte Hughes by arabs at Bir Jip near Sollum Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (3213) and Corps of Hussars Hughes Albert H. 50392 Pte Tos 6Co 5-16 ICC WIA 1-9-18 reported wounded with Pte Gross by arabs at Bir Jip near Sollum Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (474) and Corps of Hussars later 24Bn Royal Welsh Fusiliers (4184685) Holburt John T. 50393 Pte Tos 6Co? 5-16 ICC Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (1412) and Corps of Hussars AKA Holbert Jones Binuel 50394 Pte Tos 6Co? 5-16 ICC? Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (650) and Corps of Hussars Jones Robert V. 50395 Pte Tos 6Co 5-16 ICC Ex 1/ Denbigh Yeo (3153) and Corps of Hussars Jones Hugh 50396 Pte Tos 6Co 5-16 ICC shown Cpl led patrol to Sebil from Sollum 1-18 Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (433) and Corps of Hussars later 24Bn Royal Welsh Fusiliers (345044) Jones Frank 50397 Pte Tos 6Co 5-16 ICC Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (50397) and Corps of Hussars Jones John 50398 Pte Tos 6Co 5-16 ICC Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (586) and 24Bn Royal Welsh Fusiliers (340146) later Royal Engineers (WR/195555) Manning Charles H 50401 Pte Tos 6Co 5-16 ICC Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (521) and Corps of Hussars Nickson Robert L 50403 Pte Tos 6Co 5-16 ICC Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (590) and Corps of Hussars Pearson John A. 50405 Pte Tos 6Co 5-16 ICC Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (1051) and Corps of Hussars to 24Bn Royal Welsh Fusiliers (T345260) to Royal Engineers (456827) Poyall George 50406 Pte Tos 6Co 5-16 ICC Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (657) and Corps of Hussars Richardson Griffith 50407 Pte Tos 6Co 5-16 ICC Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (776) and Corps of Hussars to 24Bn Royal Welsh Fusiliers (345205) to Royal Engineers (WR/193272) Smith James 50408 Pte Tos 6Co 5-16 ICC to 10Co Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (1223) and Corps of Hussars Hughes Thomas 50409 Pte Tos 6Co 5-16 ICC Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (1382) and Corps of Hussars Thomas G. 50410 Pte Tos 6Co 5-16 ICC Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (742) and Corps of Hussars Waring Joseph E. 50411 Pte Tos 6Co 5-16 ICC Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (1002) and Corps of Hussars Wright Lloyd 50415 Pte Tos 6Co 5-16 ICC Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (357) and Corps of Hussars Whittaker Lawrence 50416 Pte Tos 6Co? 5-16 ICC? Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (1240) and Corps of Hussars to 24Bn Royal Welsh Fusiliers (345306) Jones Thomas H 50439 Pte Tos 6Co? 5-16 ICC? Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (2001) and Corps of Hussars Carman Benjamin 51391 Pte Tos possibly 6Co? ICC? Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (526) and Corps of Hussars Harris Joseph W. 51396 Pte Tos possibly 6Co? ICC? Ex 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (3230) and Corps of Hussars Burton Sidney Howard 2/Lt 6Co ICC shown took relief from Sollum to Augerin 3-18 to Capt Ex Cpl 1/1 Denbigh Yeo (378) to 24Bn Royal Welsh Fusiliers (345022) to 5 Res Cav Regt Sorry maybe someone else may have luck finding him? S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roselyn2 Posted 19 July , 2020 Share Posted 19 July , 2020 S.B. Thank you for some outstanding research. I’ve got some more that might be of interest to you. 1034 J. L. Binner. Denbigh Yeo. 345259 24th. R. W. Fus. Died 6. 11 1917. 345795 H. Brown 24th. R.W. Fus. M. M. Winner. C.de G. Winner. 2050 A. Francis Montgom. Yeo. Died 5.11.1918 5197 E. Thomas. Pembroke Yeo. Died 10. 9. 1916. Lyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clive_hughes Posted 19 July , 2020 Share Posted 19 July , 2020 Brief intrusion, 5197 Evan Thomas was 3/1st Pembs. Yeo. but attached 13th Bn. Welsh Regiment and died of wounds in France. He was from Llanwrtyd Wells and I used to own his medals. Clive Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roselyn2 Posted 19 July , 2020 Share Posted 19 July , 2020 Clive. 5197 Pte. E. Thomas Pembroke Yeo . On his M. I. Card. States Corps Of Hussars. His name I think is in the old police station in Llanwrtyd Wells. Thank you for the information about the 13th. Bn. Welsh Regiment. Lyn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dandy dinmont Posted 11 December , 2020 Share Posted 11 December , 2020 On 22/05/2020 at 10:58, Ghazala said: The first time the camels heard the bagpipes they stampeded. Highland regiments and camels did not get on. Mr. Ghazala, I'm not surprised at all, the agony bags are enough to give any creature the screaming habjabs! 😄 On another subject, do you know anything about the Scottish officer of horse Lawrence mentions in Desert Revolt who was killed in an accident at Azrak? There is no mention I have seen of Scottish cavalry in the area at the time, or was he a lone officer attached to another unit maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 11 December , 2020 Share Posted 11 December , 2020 Is this the incident? “Next day we walked gently to Azrak. When we were over the last ridge of lava-pebbles and saw the ring of the Mejaber graves, that most beautifully put of cemeteries, I trotted forward with my men, to be sure against accident in the place, and to feel again its remoteness before the others came. We rested there two days, the refreshment of the pools being so great. Buxton rode with me to the fort, to examine the altar of Diocletian and Maximilian, meaning to add a word in favour of King George the Fifth; but our stay was poisoned by the grey flies, and then ruined by a tragic accident. An Arab, shooting fish in the fort pool, dropped his rifle, which exploded and killed instantly Lieutenant Rowan, of the Scottish Horse. We buried him in the little Mejaber graveyard, whose spotless quiet had long been my envy.” There's a good deal about Lt Rowan to be seen here:- https://cowdenbeathwarmemorial.wordpress.com/r/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 12 December , 2020 Share Posted 12 December , 2020 (edited) Mate, As Michael shows, the ICC wrote a bit about this because the editor of the later ICC magazine was there and had a bit to say about TEL and his Arabs, that he was shot by the arab on purpose not an accident, over a disagreement about the fish? I have this on Rowan; Rowan Robert Lt ToS possibly 26 MG Sqn (265 MG Co) or 7Co 10-16 shown as Intell officer HQ/ICC Bde during Sena raid 8-17 shown 7Co on patrol with Lt Flannery and Braine & 51 men to Maghara 7-18 shown 7Co to Intell officer HQ 2Bn with Buxton's Force to TEL 7-18 DoA 22-8-18 murdered reported accidently (murdered at a water hole) killed by arab (TELs bodyguard) at (Azrak) Wadi Rumm buried Ramleh War Cemetery Palestine Ex Pte 1/2 Scottish Horse to Gallipoli 9-15 prom 2/Lt 1916 age 26 brothers John & Gilbert How he came to the ICC is not clear when he was ToS. and what sub unit? S.B Edited 12 December , 2020 by stevebecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 12 December , 2020 Share Posted 12 December , 2020 Lt Rowan was killed at Azrak and given a temporary burial there Post war, when his body was recovered for reburial, I wonder why it ended up in Ramleh and not Jerusalem (which it would have had to pass to get to Ramleh) ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 5 July , 2022 Share Posted 5 July , 2022 (edited) Mate, If only I had the coin for this? Ashlin Charles Harry Norman Lt Tos 10Co 5-16 (commanded East Riding Sect (40 men from ERY) to T/OC 10Co (from Bardwell) 8-16 shown WIA 11-8-16 at Bir el Bayud (in Inchbald's book) to 2-17 Ex 1/1 East Riding Yeo (2876) to Royal Air Force pilot later Wing Commander RAF WWII born 1892 died 1972 Wilkingson is shown replaced Ashlin in Feb 1917 until he was replaced Dec 1917 Its unknown when Ashlin returned to the 10Co, after being wounded, but he possibly went to the RFC around Feb 1917 as he leaves around then from ICC records S.B Edited 5 July , 2022 by stevenbecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1/1Hertfordshire Posted 20 September , 2022 Share Posted 20 September , 2022 I have in my collection the Military Medal to 50319 PTE – A L.CPL - R. FORSYTH. 7/COY; I.C.C. Does anyone know for what action/where it was gained. Robert Forsyth initially served as Private, 2330, Lanarkshire Yeomanry and then as Private 50319, Corps of Hussars. His Medal Index Card mentions nothing of Imperial Camel Corps. His Military Medal Roll Card states Private Acting Lance Corporal, 50319, Imperial Camel Corps and gives a London Gazette date of 20 August 1919. Any assistance or information is appreciated. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 21 September , 2022 Share Posted 21 September , 2022 (edited) Mate, Sorry but I have no record of when he gained his award. Forsyth Robert 50319 L/Cpl Tos 7Co ICC 7-16 MM - reason not stated Ex 1/1 Lanark Yeo (2330) and Corps of Hussars I should add that a number of 7th Company soldiers gained their awards possibly in fighting at Amman 27-30 March 1918 Simco Frederick E 50050 Pte Tos possibly 8Co? 4-16 reported to 7Co WIA 29-3-18 (minor) at Amman & MM - possibly at Amman Ex 1/1 Bucks Yeo (1564) to Corps of Hussars Fisher Robert Riddock 51232 Pte Tos 7Co ICC WIA 27-3-18 at Amman & MM - possibly at Amman Ex Yorkshire Light Infantry (22091) and Indian Camel Corps Most MM awarded to soldiers don't show where they were gained Heavy fighting over a number of days in front of Amman gained many awards The only other 7th Company battle that saw a number of awards was at Bald Hill 27-30 Nov 1917 Sorry that's not much help S.B Edited 21 September , 2022 by stevenbecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1/1Hertfordshire Posted 21 September , 2022 Share Posted 21 September , 2022 Steve, Thanks, your information on Forsyth is a good start. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random guy Posted 20 November , 2023 Share Posted 20 November , 2023 Hi there, I’m looking to find the engagements of No. 2 Company, Imperial Camel Corps as my Great Great Grandfather (he is my pfp) was in it. You mentioned him briefly on page 4 at the bottom at Musallabah he was the Private Tom McGrath the one going from post to post throwing bombs. Anyway, I’m thinking of writing some of his history in the First World War for my family and all I need to know is where he’d be at with his unit. If it matters, he was with the No. 2 Company ICC from January 29th 1916 until July 1st 1918 when he was put into the new 14th Light Horse Regiment. @tankengine888 has some information about him too. Cheers, Random Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedelmar Posted 20 November , 2023 Share Posted 20 November , 2023 https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/C1338867 That is the 2nd ICC war diary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 20 November , 2023 Share Posted 20 November , 2023 Mate, Much of this can be found in the known books on the Camel Corps but I can give an outline of the 2nd Company. I take it you mean , The 2nd Company had a long service in the ICC being one of the first raised. 30-1-16 2Co (1Bde & 2Bde - 1Bn to 4Bn & 5Bn to 8Bn) arrived ICC depot Abbassia 26-2-16 2Co under Lt Adams (5 officers 123 men) moved to Matruh (Lt's Morgan - Goldenstedt 2 sect - Nicholson 4 Sect - other not confirmed) 6-3-16 2Co moved to Sollum from Matruh 17-3-16 2Co supported the Duke of Westminster Armoured Car unit to Bir Hakkim to rescue the crews of the ships Tara & Moorina from Senussi 22-5-16 2Co under T/OC Capt Dyott 9Co at Sollum 28-5-16 2Co under Lt Adams / Capt Dyott 9Co (5 officers 115 men 137 camels) at Matruh 18-6-16 Lt Adams returned to CTU to AFC, Lt Goldenstedt T/OC 2Co 24-6-16 2Co under Lt Goldenstedt / Capt Dyott 9Co (5 officers 123 men 155 camels) 1-7-16 Sgt Young 2Co prom 2/Lt 4Co 19-8-16 Lt Morgan to OC 2Co (4 officers 120 men 148 camels) at Sollum (2Co missed the big battles in Sinai during 1916 and early 1917) 4-3-17 2Co (5 officers 154 men) arrived at ICC depot from Sollum 12-3-17 2Co (6 officers 171 men) under Capt Morgan left ICC depot to Canal (Lt's Clarke - Scott-Higgins - Young - Nicholson - other not confirmed) arrived at ICC Bde 28-3-17 28-3-17 2Co under Capt Morgan (6 officers 163 men 220 camels 4 natives) arrived ICC bde (2ic Lt Nicholson - Lt's Clarke - Young - Scott-Higgins - other unknown) shown Lt Scott-Higgins returned 11Co 29-3-17 2Co joined Camel Bde at Belah next day replaced 15Co in 1Bn ICC & Capt Morgan 2Co to Court of Inquiry - Lt Nicholson T/replaced him 8-4-17 2Co (6 officers 160 men 4 natives 205 camels) & 4Co (6 officers 161 men 4 natives 180 camels) 11-4-17 2/Lt Finlay arrived 11Co & 2/Lt Fender moved to 2Co from 3Co 13-4-17 Capt Campbell replaced Lt Nicholson 2Co (other officers replaced due to court of Inquiry into Capt Morgan) 19-4-17 Battle at 2nd Gaza Camel Bde HQ BrigGen Smith VC Bde/Maj Stocker 1st Battalion LtCol Langley 1st Co Capt Cashman Maj Mills (2ic) 2nd Co Capt Campbell Adjt Capt Goldenstedt 3rd Co Capt Naylor KIA 4th Co Capt Denson 2nd British Battalion LtCol Gardner 5th Co Capt Wilson Maj Winterton (2ic) 6th Co Capt Houghton Adjt Capt Tod 7th Co Capt Gregory 9th Co Capt Orchardson KIA 3rd Anzac Battalion LtCol De Lancey-Forth WIA 11th Co Capt Creswell Maj Donovan (2ic) 12th Co Capt Norris Adjt Capt Hemphill 14th Co Capt Tolmer 15th NZ Co Capt Priest KIA HK&S Batty Maj Moore 265 MG Co (26 MG Sqn) Maj Millar 1/1st Scottish Horse FAmb Maj Mason Total casualties 4 officers and 41 men killed with 19 officers and 271 men wounded (killed Capt Naylor Capt Orchardson Capt Priest with Lt Chapman HK&SMB) with Lt's Fender and Hill died of wounds 1/2-5-17 Comp Co (2Co & 3Co) under Capt Campbell (4 officers 152 men 191 camels) to El Arish then Auja and to Ferry Post by 16-5-17 13-5-17 2Co (2 officers 89 men 4 natives 116 camels) 22-5-17 Operation to Nekhl 1Bn ICC by Maj Mills (parts 2Co 3Co 4Co) moved from Serapeum 26-5-17 Maj Mills force arrived Nekhl destroyed wells returned by 1-6-17 5-6-17 2Co moved to Kubri - Ayun Musa to repace 13Co arrived 9-6-17 2-9-17 Capt Goldenstedt repaced Capt Campbell OC 2Co when he moved to ICC Bde HQ for staff training, Lt Smyth Sig Officer 1Bn replaced Goldenstedt as Adjt 4-10-17 2/Lt Nield arrived 2Co 4-10-17 Capt Goldenstedt OC 2Co to ICC Bde HQ for Staff Training & Lt Nicholson to T/OC 2Co 7-10-17 Akaba Survey party - Part 2Co on patrol of 1Bn ICC under Maj Mills and Lt Gull (Intell officer) with Maj Schieber Egyptian State Telegraph Survey party (3 officers 41 men 64 camels) along the Pilgrim route to Akaba taking seven days to get there 17-10-17 Akaba Survey party part 2Co under Maj Mills at Akaba meet TEL just return from raid on Maan (missed the fighting at 3rd Gaza and at Bald Hill) 2-3-18 2Co (5 officers 182 men 2 natives 188 camels) 11-3-18 1Bn ICC (18 officers 611 men 779 camels) left Shellal to Deiran for Amman Raid stopped at Hareira for night (1Co 2Co 3Co 4Co) 22-3-18 1Bn arrived Tataat ed Dumm 27/30-3-18 Battle of Amman Camel Bde HQ BrigGen Smith VC Bde/Maj Nash-Wortham 1st Anzac Battalion LtCol Langley WIA to Capt Denson 1st Co Lt Nicholson 2ic Maj Nobbs 2nd Co Capt Mills Adjt Capt Campbell 3rd Co Capt Hogue 4th Co Capt Denson /Lt Matthews 2nd British Battalion LtCol Buxton 7th Co Capt Deas 2ic Maj Day 8th Co Capt Tredinnick Adjt Capt Hornby 9th Co Capt Newsom (KIA) 10th Co Lt Lyall (KIA) 4th Anzac Battalion LtCol Mills 13th Co Capt Howard 2ic Maj Hemphill (NZ) 16th NZ Co Capt Yerex Adjt Lt Treweek (NZ) 17th Co Capt Hampton 18th Co Maj Kessels WIA HKSB Maj Moore 26 MG Sqn Maj Millar Camel FAmb LtCol McLaren less 1Co on escort duty and 3Co on Jordan and half 2Co as escort to ICC Bde HQ and ACFA att 2Co's 2/18Bn London Regt under Capt Crossby 30-3-18 6-4-18 2Co (5 officers 166 men 2 natives 172 camels) 11-4-18 Battle of Mussallabeh Camel Brigade HQ BrigGen Smith VC Bde/Maj Nash-Wortham 1st Anzac Battalion LtCol Langley 1st Co Capt Wright 2ic Maj Nobbs 2nd Co Capt Mills Adjt 3rd Co Capt Hogue 4th Co Lt Love 2nd British Battalion LtCol Bassatt 7th British Co Capt Deas 2ic Capt Tod 8th British Co Lt Inchbald WIA Adjt Capt Tredinnick 9th British Co Lt Brothers 10th British Co Capt Patterson 4th Anzac Battalion LtCol Mills 13th Co Lt Smith 2ic Maj Hemphill (NZ) 16th NZ Co Capt Yerex Adjt Lt Treweek (NZ) 17th Co Capt Hampton 18th Co Capt Howard HKSB Maj Moore 26 MG Sqn Maj Millar Camel FAmb LtCol Mc Laren 2/3-5-18 Battle of Es Salt ICC Bde 1Bn (1Co 2Co 3Co 4Co) 2Bn (7Co 8Co 9Co 10Co) 4Bn (13Co 16Co 17Co 18Co) 26 MG Sqn and ACFA attack by the 8Co and 18Co to support fighting across the Jordan 13-5-18 ICC Bde moved to Khirbet Deiran arrived 16-5-18 16-5-18 ICC Bde arrived Ramlah July 1918 Disbandment of all the Anzac formations of the ICC into the 14 LHR 15 LHR and 2 NZ MGS If you need any closer details let me know S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random guy Posted 10 December , 2023 Share Posted 10 December , 2023 @stevenbecker Mate, Sorry for the late reply, I’ve just been quite busy. Yes this is all great, thank you very much. So did he miss Romani? What about Mughar Ridge? I know it probably would have been listed here, but just double checking. Cheers, Random Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 10 December , 2023 Share Posted 10 December , 2023 Mate, Yes (2Co missed the big battles in Sinai during 1916 and early 1917) The Company spent 1916 and early 1917 in the western desert chasing down the Senissi As for Maghar, that was a British and 4 LH Bde fight not the ICC. At that time the 1st Camel Bn was back on the Canal recovering after the 2nd Gaza Battle (the Camel Bde fought at Bald Hill during that time) The Company was used in a number of adventures out into Sinai, such as the trip to Akabar to meet TEL & his Arabs after they captured it. The 1st Camel Bn arrived back with the Bde in March 1918, and the 3rd Camel Bn went back to the Canal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Random guy Posted 10 December , 2023 Share Posted 10 December , 2023 Mate, Thank you, this explains a lot about where they were. Do you know if they were involved in any major raids against the Senussi or minor raids or no raids at all. Information would be much appreciated. Cheers, Random Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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