Tim Brecknock Posted 4 November , 2005 Share Posted 4 November , 2005 has anyone got an interest in this campaign? I know that about 300 men of the S.Wales Borderers wre sent to the frontier in 1919. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew B. Posted 4 November , 2005 Share Posted 4 November , 2005 Tim, I have an interest as an Indian army collector. I have a copy of the official history plus various other accouts and regimental histories. Cheer, Matthew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Henschke Posted 5 November , 2005 Share Posted 5 November , 2005 Tim, I have spent about 6 months in Peshawar and did some reading of the 1919 -1930's actions, as well as going to Malakand and a few other places. What references do you have? best wishes Chris Henschke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drummy Posted 5 November , 2005 Share Posted 5 November , 2005 I have a curious interest in what remains throughout what was 'undivided' india, when you look at the guides available for places such as the Western Front, Gallipoli etc there is not much you can't find out about what exists today but (unless I'm looking in the wrong place) I can't find any books that cover what remains today in 'India' relating to all periods of the British time there upto 1947, there must be many former british barracks, war memorials, garrison cemeteries (no longer cared for), garrison churches, colonial buildings etc etc that still exist, many I would guess are overgrown and vandalised but I stand corrected. Considering the massive contribution India made as part of the 'Empire' during the two world wars are there many regimental museums left? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Brecknock Posted 5 November , 2005 Author Share Posted 5 November , 2005 my interest is the Territorial Battn of the S.Wales Borderers, and I was looking for any info on the campaign, who else was involved, what went on etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsyeoman Posted 6 November , 2005 Share Posted 6 November , 2005 Then you simply MUST get this - CRISIS ON THE FRONTIER: The Third Afghan War and the Campaign in Waziristan 1919-20 (ISBN:1862272115) by Brian Robson It has hit the remaindered trade and I think Naval & Military Press are selling it at reduced price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted 6 November , 2005 Share Posted 6 November , 2005 I have just purchased this set to 2nd Lt Bernard Murray of the 1st/15th Ludhiana Sikhs. Murray first served as a Private in the RAMC. He landed in Mespot on 19/4/1917. He was conmmisioned on 5/11/1918 and attached to the Ludhiana Sikhs on 28/2/1919 and promoted Lt 5/11/1919. Murray was born in St MArks Parish, Newport Monmouth. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew B. Posted 6 November , 2005 Share Posted 6 November , 2005 Andy, A bit of extra info on Murray if you did not have it - when he left the army the forwarding address for where his medals were to be sent to was: 7 Risca Road, Newport, Monmouthshire. Many moons ago I owned this group! Cheers Matthew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Posted 6 November , 2005 Share Posted 6 November , 2005 Thanks Mathew Small world Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie1964 Posted 9 January , 2013 Share Posted 9 January , 2013 I have an interest in this topic as my Great Grandfather served with the 2nd Battalion North Staffordshire Regiment Private 34597 Thomas Arthur Johnson. He had earlier served in the Lincolnshire Regiment Private 20327 but I don't know which theatre that was or the circumstances as to why he moved regiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingo794 Posted 9 January , 2013 Share Posted 9 January , 2013 Yorkie Looking at the Lincs number, that could be a 1st or 2nd Garrison Battalon number for India. I know that these numbers began at 200** as I have a couple of single BMW's to Lincs men, it being their only medal entitlement. I will have a look through my records to see if I can find anything on your man. Cheers Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepper Posted 9 January , 2013 Share Posted 9 January , 2013 Yorkie you grandfather and mine (see my avatar for pic) must have served together in 2nd North Staffs. I have a copy of the Battalion war diary somewhere if there is anything you want to know out of that. Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie1964 Posted 9 January , 2013 Share Posted 9 January , 2013 Thankyou for the feedback Thomas Arthur Johnson was born in Kingston Upon Hull in 1887 making him 27 at the outbreak of the Great War. I would like to know when he arrived in India and when he would have returned home. I have the Richard G M Stiles book on the India General Service Medal which I have just started reading thankyou once again If I can help anyone with there research I will do so I have some more pictures to post over the next few days I look forward to reading your comments the knowledge of the people on this forum is humbling to say the least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie1964 Posted 10 January , 2013 Share Posted 10 January , 2013 Here is a group of Third Anglo-Afghan War Medallists 1923 North Staffordshire Regiment. I have a copy of the Seventh issue of REGIMENT The Staffordshire Regiment 1995 with some nice photo's of the North Staffordshire if anyone's interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie1964 Posted 10 January , 2013 Share Posted 10 January , 2013 Another photo of the North Staffordshire Regiment in a sangar during the 3rd Anglo-Afghan War. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingo794 Posted 11 January , 2013 Share Posted 11 January , 2013 The Lincolnshire number 20327 was issued after 03/06/1915, or as late as January, 1916. The number 20123 (using this as a comparison) was issued to a chap joining the 1st Garrison Battalion of the Lincolnshire Regiment in Calcutta, India. There was a batch of numbers issued to a group of men who were destined for this duty in India. The numbering began at 195** and ran through the 201** and 204** series as far as 206**. Men in this group were brought in from other regular regiments (or 1st and 2nd Battalions) They included the N.Staffs, Notts and Derbys, East Yorks, West Yorks, Leics etc. The F104 prefix and number pertain to the Medal Rolls of the North Staffs Regt., the hash mark signifies that his IGSM was stamped to this unit as was his WW1 medal entitlement, a BWM. Again, the style of MIC is the same as 20123, showing eligibility for the BWM on its own. All of the men on the Lincs Medal Roll are listed with their first unit at the top, then the second unit below. He went to the Lincs., then to the N.Staffs though the number 34597 does appear to be a later war issue. It maybe useful to view the N Staffs Medal Roll. Finding out the date of the number issue make give you an approximate date of going to India. My estimate is December 1915 to early 1916. Dick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie1964 Posted 11 January , 2013 Share Posted 11 January , 2013 Cheers Dick You've cleared up a lot of questions for me there and I've learnt a great deal thankyou. Alan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bingo794 Posted 11 January , 2013 Share Posted 11 January , 2013 Nice one, Alan! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie1964 Posted 11 January , 2013 Share Posted 11 January , 2013 I understand that these medals where produced in more than one place, if any specialists could tell me where my Great Grandfathers medal was produced I would be grateful Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie1964 Posted 11 January , 2013 Share Posted 11 January , 2013 Yorkie you grandfather and mine (see my avatar for pic) must have served together in 2nd North Staffs. I have a copy of the Battalion war diary somewhere if there is anything you want to know out of that. Nigel Nigel could you tell me the date at which the battalion diary starts please, would it be the date the battalion arrived in India, also do you have any idea which vessel they sailed on and from which port. Would my Grandfather appear on a boarding list I wonder??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushfighter Posted 12 January , 2013 Share Posted 12 January , 2013 Gentlemen Greetings The Third Afghan War, 1919, Official Account can be obtained with a 20% discount here: http://www.naval-military-press.com/third-afghan-war-1919-official-account.html Operations in Waziristan 1919-1920 can be freely downloaded here: http://archive.org/details/operationsinwaz00indi Harry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nepper Posted 12 January , 2013 Share Posted 12 January , 2013 Nigel could you tell me the date at which the battalion diary starts please, would it be the date the battalion arrived in India, also do you have any idea which vessel they sailed on and from which port. Would my Grandfather appear on a boarding list I wonder??? Alan - the war diary is exactly that, only kept when on active service, so for a regular battalion, the war diary of the 2nd North Staffords must be one of the shortest of the First World War. The first section comprises 8 pages for the period 29 August 1915 to 9 December 1915. The second section 26 pages covering 7 May 1919 to 9 September 1919. The battalion had been in India since 1903 and would have received drafts from various other units at times. Nigel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest exuser1 Posted 12 January , 2013 Share Posted 12 January , 2013 Had a interest in this conflict for many years a couple of medal groups 25th Londons and others also some super photograph albums with some excellent in action images and the usual dead bad guys . Tried to get a copy of Crisis on the Frontier ,not at NM seen else where for £35 . Few years ago at the Kent ORMS branch excellent talk on the subject which was based around the Ken Cyclists and their involvement . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie1964 Posted 12 January , 2013 Share Posted 12 January , 2013 Thankyou for clearing that up Nigel. Ill just have to find his army service records if they have survived to clear up dates etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthew B. Posted 17 January , 2013 Share Posted 17 January , 2013 I understand that these medals where produced in more than one place, if any specialists could tell me where my Great Grandfathers medal was produced I would be grateful Yorkie, The medal was manufactured at the Royal Mint and the Calcutta Mint. This is a Calcutta Mint issue. Hope that helps, Matthew Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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