todhod Posted 24 February Author Share Posted 24 February 53 minutes ago, todhod said: I think he was born 19.04.1876 in Grange Burt Donegal, Ireland I think his father is James, and mother Jane Humes Sorry 1877 according to his marriage certificate he was 23 when he married in September 1900 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todhod Posted 24 February Author Share Posted 24 February 18 hours ago, Tawhiri said: The date of birth of his oldest child suggests a marriage sometime in the early 1900's, and a search on ScotlandsPeople produces several possibilities. Given the address on the pension index card the most likely one is this marriage in Hutchesontown in 1900. REILLY JOHN GALLACHER CATHERINE 1900 644 / 11 / 249 Hutchesontown Crosschecking Catherine's maiden name of Gallacher against the names and birth years of the children listed on the pension index card then produces the following birth registrations in Hutchesontown: REILLY CATHERINE JANE GALLACHER F 1905 644 / 11 / 303 Hutchesontown REILLY ELIZABETH GALLACHER F 1907 644 / 15 / 549 Hutchesontown REILLY JAMES GALLAGHER M 1909 644 / 15 / 940 Hutchesontown REILLY ANNIE GALLACHER F 1911 644 / 15 / 1707 Hutchesontown REILLY JOHN GALLACHER M 1913 644 / 15 / 1514 Hutchesontown The birth of their first child, Michael, was registered in the Gorbals, which is the registration district immediately adjacent to Hutchesontown, but the children's birth registrations would all confirm that the 1900 marriage found above is the correct one. I would also note that Google Maps places Crown Street firmly within the Gorbals. REILLY MICHAEL GALLACHER M 1903 644 / 12 / 247 Gorbals I am not having a great deal of joy finding the family in the 1911 Scotland census to confirm John senior's age, but the marriage registration should tell you both his age on marriage, as well as naming his parents and whether they were still alive or not at the time he was married. Edited to add that I think this is John and Catherine living in Hutchesontown in the 1901 Scotland census, with his age given as 24, so an implied birth year of 1876/77. REILLY JOHN 1901 M 24 644/11 13/ 26 Hutchesontown Lanark REILLY CATHERINE 1901 F 21 644/11 13/ 26 Hutchesontown Lanark Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan1892 Posted 24 February Share Posted 24 February Hope you don't mind - I took the liberty to turn it around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allan1892 Posted 24 February Share Posted 24 February 1 hour ago, todhod said: I think his father is James, and mother Jane Humes Ties in with the marriage certificate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todhod Posted 24 February Author Share Posted 24 February 3 minutes ago, Allan1892 said: Hope you don't mind - I took the liberty to turn it around. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawhiri Posted 24 February Share Posted 24 February 6 hours ago, todhod said: Sorry 1877 according to his marriage certificate he was 23 when he married in September 1900 You were correct the first time, 14 April 1876 according to this birth registration. https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03056/2120577.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
todhod Posted 24 February Author Share Posted 24 February 6 minutes ago, Tawhiri said: You were correct the first time, 14 April 1876 according to this birth registration. https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1876/03056/2120577.pdf Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 24 February Share Posted 24 February (edited) On 23/02/2024 at 16:04, Dirty Harry said: The claim was originally referenced 369 but was later changed to 1/WR/738. As earlier explained the DoB 15.2.80 is his widow's - necessary as under the prevailing 1915 Royal Warrant the 29/- pw from 13.3.16 pension awarded to his widow was 12/6 pw [for the >35 yo widow of a Pte] plus allowances of 5/-. 3/6, 2/-, 2/-, 2/- & 2/- pw respectively for the children until aged 16 [or had died earlier] - she would have had to draw it from a Post Office using an identity certificate. Standard SA [Separation Allowance - typically reflecting the number of children, as seen here] would have been paid until the change over to pension as noted by 50F [Form 50F]. Noted for Novel means special calculation. DEAD is the end of the claim - likely reflecting the youngest child had reached 16 ... so makes you wonder what happened to his widow/their mother - had she remarried and lost her pension [in favour of a one-off remarriage gratuity] or had she died? Widow's pension [still age-rated according to changing age markers] and children's allowance rates would have increased a bit as newer RW of 1917, 1918 and 1919 were implemented [Sadly the main awards file appears lost - probably deliberately destroyed once its use was passed, as most were] M Edited 24 February by Matlock1418 typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawhiri Posted 24 February Share Posted 24 February (edited) 30 minutes ago, Matlock1418 said: DEAD is the end of the claim - likely reflecting the youngest child had reached 16 ... so makes you wonder what happened to his widow/their mother - had she remarried and lost her pension [in favour of a one- remarriage gratuity] or had she died? There are two Catherine Gallagher/Gallacher/Reilly deaths indexed on ScotlandsPeople, one in Linlithgow in 1955, aged 77, the other in Tradeston in 1956, aged 76. Given her age and implied birth year of 1880, and the proximity of Tradeston to Hutchesontown and the Gorbals, I would be inclined to go with the second of these as being the death of John Reilly's widow. This last death is also indexed under the surname McNulty, which does indeed suggest Catherine remarried at some point after John's death. There is only one Gallagher/Gallacher/Reilly/McNulty marriage registered on ScotlandsPeople, in Camlachie in the east end of Glasgow in 1929, which is the same year that her youngest child would have turned 16 and stopped receiving an allowance. GALLACHER CATHERINE MCNULTY PATRICK 1929 644 / 2 / 328 Camlachie REILLY CATHERINE MCNULTY PATRICK 1929 644 / 2 / 328 Camlachie Edited 24 February by Tawhiri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 24 February Share Posted 24 February (edited) 4 minutes ago, Tawhiri said: There are two Catherine Gallagher/Gallacher/Reilly deaths indexed on ScotlandsPeople, one in Linlithgow in 1955, aged 77, the other in Tradeston in 1956, aged 76. Given her age and implied birth year of 1880, and the proximity of Tradeston to Hutchesontown and the Gorbals, I would be inclined to go with the second of these as being the death of John Reilly's widow. This last death is also indexed under the surname McNulty, which does indeed suggest Catherine remarried at some point after John's death. There is only one Gallagher/Gallacher/Reilly/McNulty marriage registered on ScotlandsPeople, in Camlachie in the east end of Glasgow in 1929, which is the same year that her youngest child would have turned 16 and stopped receiving an allowance. GALLACHER CATHERINE MCNULTY PATRICK 1929 644 / 2 / 328 Camlachie REILLY CATHERINE MCNULTY PATRICK 1929 644 / 2 / 328 Camlachie Thank you for taking up the challenge = Seems very plausible - such a shame we don't have the pension award file. M Edited 24 February by Matlock1418 add Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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