stephen p nunn Posted 19 November , 2023 Share Posted 19 November , 2023 This is my paternal great-uncle, Alfred Thomas NUNN (1900-1980). Although I knew he served in the GW (Army I believe) I have just noticed the wings in this picture. Wish I still had those! Stephen (Maldon). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen p nunn Posted 19 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 19 November , 2023 Here he is in uniform. Can just make out cap badge, but it certainly isn't RFC/RAF.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 19 November , 2023 Share Posted 19 November , 2023 (edited) 18 minutes ago, stephen p nunn said: Can just make out cap badge, but it certainly isn't RFC/RAF.... Not my field really, but always willing to give it a go - certainly not RFC/RAF ... but is it perhaps East Surrey Regiment ?? M Edit: Or perhaps 23rd (Co of London) Battalion, London Regiment - I think I'm erring that way due to the prominent crown and central piercings ?? Edited 19 November , 2023 by Matlock1418 edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen p nunn Posted 19 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 19 November , 2023 Thank you Matlock1418 for coming up trumps as usual. So.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 19 November , 2023 Share Posted 19 November , 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, stephen p nunn said: Thank you Matlock1418 for coming up trumps as usual. So.... Have you seen my edit above? perhaps 23rd (Co of London) Battalion, London Regiment - I think I'm erring that way due to the prominent crown and central piercings ?? Plenty of images on the web would seem to persuade me - but what would I really know? M Edit: Yet another edit! - Did he survive the war? Edited 19 November , 2023 by Matlock1418 edit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen p nunn Posted 19 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 19 November , 2023 Hi Matlock1418. Yes, he survived and only died in 1980. Regards. S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 19 November , 2023 Share Posted 19 November , 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, stephen p nunn said: Hi Matlock1418. Yes, he survived and only died in 1980. Regards. S. Doh, of course ... you put that in the OP - I had just found a dead Alfred Thomas NUNN in the 21st Bn, London Regt. and was worried it might be him - but in that case he would have to have been busted from a Cpl I would have to admit! I'm still sticking with the 23rd Bn (Co of Lon), LR for the photo M Edited 19 November , 2023 by Matlock1418 grammar (ish!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen p nunn Posted 19 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 19 November , 2023 Thank you for all your help Matlock1418. I agree with you about 23 London. Intrigued by the wings 'though. Regards. S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 19 November , 2023 Share Posted 19 November , 2023 Just now, stephen p nunn said: Intrigued by the wings 'though Young schoolboys could be prone to picking up such badges from wherever [well they were still doing so half a century later by my increasingly dodgy recollection] I can tell you are intrigued by the 'Wings'. Wishing you good luck. M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen p nunn Posted 19 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 19 November , 2023 Thank you M. Yes, I am. Have these, but think they are WW2 (if I am allowed to say that here!!!). All the best. S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 19 November , 2023 Share Posted 19 November , 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, stephen p nunn said: Have these, but think they are WW2 (if I am allowed to say that here!!!). Only with care ... That would be my worry, and was already nagging me - looks like a later sweetheart type of badge/brooch - but that would also likely bring into doubt your OP photo ID = ??? M Edited 19 November , 2023 by Matlock1418 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen p nunn Posted 19 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 19 November , 2023 M - I might need to "get my coat" !!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 19 November , 2023 Share Posted 19 November , 2023 There's a service record for an Alfred Thomas Nunn, whose father lived at 51 Wanton Road, Maldon. Not your man by chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen p nunn Posted 19 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 19 November , 2023 Hi charlie962 Yes, that's him - Wantz Road, Maldon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 20 November , 2023 Share Posted 20 November , 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, stephen p nunn said: Hi charlie962 Yes, that's him - Wantz Road, Maldon. So East Surrey would fit. Have we discussed him before? He wears Corporal's stripes plus an armband. His surviving record doesn't tell us when he made Corporal but I'm assuming that it was when he was Labour Corps?? Would he have continued to wear the ESurrey badge (I'm sure he would from choice)? What is the armband? Discharged to Class Z Reserve on Christmas Eve 1919, I see nothing to connect him to RAF/RFC but could he have worked with them 1919 in France with the Chinese Labour Corps for example? Edited 20 November , 2023 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen p nunn Posted 20 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 20 November , 2023 Thank you charlie962. That's definitely him. Interesting service - I will look at his records. I think the RFC/RAF wings must just be a lad wearing something he admired. 37 HD were at nearby Goldhanger and Stow and so he must have seen aircraft overhead. Best regards. Stephen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 20 November , 2023 Share Posted 20 November , 2023 8 minutes ago, stephen p nunn said: Thank you charlie962. That's definitely him. Interesting service - I will look at his records. I think the RFC/RAF wings must just be a lad wearing something he admired. 37 HD were at nearby Goldhanger and Stow and so he must have seen aircraft overhead. Best regards. Stephen. He probably spent a bit of time watching the flying. A pilot may have 'awarded' him the badge. Worn with pride. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen p nunn Posted 20 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 20 November , 2023 Yes, think that is more likely. Best regards. Stephen (Maldon). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 20 November , 2023 Share Posted 20 November , 2023 12 hours ago, charlie962 said: There's a service record for an Alfred Thomas Nunn, whose father lived at 51 Wanton Road, Maldon. Not your man by chance? At WFA/Fold3 there is also a pension index card under Cpl Alfred Thomas NUNN, 681420, TR/10/27080, 36688 But nothing much showing beyond that 24.12.19 discharge date and 22.1.20 [which is quite likely a receipt of claim date] - Currently indexed at Fold3 as Machine Gun Corps [but I think that is probably a mis-index, or at least I can't see the explanation on the PIC] M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen p nunn Posted 20 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 20 November , 2023 Thanks very much M. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 20 November , 2023 Share Posted 20 November , 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, charlie962 said: He wears Corporal's stripes plus an armband. His surviving record doesn't tell us when he made Corporal but I'm assuming that it was when he was Labour Corps?? Would he have continued to wear the ESurrey badge (I'm sure he would from choice)? Labour Corps had their own cap badge and I don't thing there would have been the choice of which to wear when on duty. Perhaps changed for the privately-commissioned photo?? But I'm puzzled by the cap badge shown in Cpl's photo - unless the East Surrey Regt had cap badge variants the prominent crown and pierced centre makes it look more line 23rd (Co of Lon) London Regt to me [though I admit to limited knowedge of this subject]. So I also wonder if perhaps an interim posting before LC ??? I guess time for Stephen to read that SR in full detail. M Edited 20 November , 2023 by Matlock1418 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stephen p nunn Posted 20 November , 2023 Author Share Posted 20 November , 2023 Will do M. Thank you. S. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stebie9173 Posted 20 November , 2023 Share Posted 20 November , 2023 (edited) This is what I can glean from his records: Enlisted 30-1-1917 Mobilised 7-3-1917 Medical category A in March 1917 Joined 31st Training Reserve Battalion, 8-3-1917, No. TR/10/27080 Transferred to 4th Reserve Battalion East Surrey Regiment, April 1917, No. 33688 (probably GS/4/33688) 4th Reserve Battalion at Saltash near Plymouth in early 1917. Apparent posting to 2nd Battalion Royal West Surrey Regiment, but no medals so no overseas service prior to 11-11-1918? - Most men in this 4th E.S. Regiment batch went overseas in July 1917. There is a gap in the Labour Corps medal rolls where his entry would have been in normal circumstances. 4th Reserve Battalion moved to Felixstowe in September 1917 for duty with Harwich Garrison. Passed Range Taking Course, Sep 1917 Deemed to be in Medical Category B2 by No 4 Travelling Medical Board at Felixstowe in August 1918 Transferred to the Labour Corps, No. 618420, and posted to 102nd Reserve Labour Company, 25-11-1918 Posted to "B" Company, Eastern Command Labour Centre, Sutton, Felixstowe, 30-11-1918 Posted to 508th Home Service Employment Company, Labour Corps at Tonbridge Wells, 24-12-1918 Posted to 583rd Home Service Employment Company, Labour Corps at Sutton (Sutton and Sutton Hoo, north of Felixstowe?), 18-4-1919 Posted to BEF for service with Chinese Labour Corps, 17-7-1919 Promoted to temporary Corporal, 20-7-1919 Class Z, 24-12-1919 To me it looks like the picture is from his time attached to the Chinese Labour Corps in 1919. Steve. Edited 20 November , 2023 by Stebie9173 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 20 November , 2023 Share Posted 20 November , 2023 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Stebie9173 said: To me it looks like the picture is from his time attached to the Chinese Labour Corps in 1919. I agree. Although strictly still Labour Corps (?) I suspect he wanted his East Surrey affiliation shown.. Thoughts @FROGSMILE incl what the armband might be about? Edited 20 November , 2023 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matlock1418 Posted 20 November , 2023 Share Posted 20 November , 2023 58 minutes ago, Stebie9173 said: This is what I can glean from his records: Enlisted 30-1-1917 Mobilised 7-3-1917 Medical category A in March 1917 Joined 31st Training Reserve Battalion, 8-3-1917, No. TR/10/27080 Transferred to 4th Reserve Battalion East Surrey Regiment, April 1917, No. 33688 (probably GS/4/33688) 4th Reserve Battalion at Saltash near Plymouth in early 1917. Apparent posting to 2nd Battalion Royal West Surrey Regiment, but no medals so no overseas service prior to 11-11-1918? - Most men in this 4th E.S. Regiment batch went overseas in July 1917. There is a gap in the Labour Corps medal rolls where his entry would have been in normal circumstances. 4th Reserve Battalion moved to Felixstowe in September 1917 for duty with Harwich Garrison. Passed Range Taking Course, Sep 1917 Deemed to be in Medical Category B2 by No 4 Travelling Medical Board at Felixstowe in August 1918 Transferred to the Labour Corps, No. 618420, and posted to 102nd Reserve Labour Company, 25-11-1918 Posted to "B" Company, Eastern Command Labour Centre, Sutton, Felixstowe, 30-11-1918 Posted to 508th Home Service Employment Company, Labour Corps at Tonbridge Wells, 24-12-1918 Posted to 583rd Home Service Employment Company, Labour Corps at Sutton (Sutton and Sutton Hoo, north of Felixstowe?), 18-4-1919 Posted to BEF for service with Chinese Labour Corps, 17-7-1919 Promoted to temporary Corporal, 20-7-1919 Class Z, 24-12-1919 Thanks for posting - makes life easier for those of us who don't have such access. The cap badge in the photo is still a bit of a puzzle [to me anyway] but does seem likely a personal choice. M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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