Perth Digger Posted 15 October , 2023 Share Posted 15 October , 2023 (edited) This Richard Mayberry is not the famous Richard Aveline Mayberry of 56 Squadron, but a Camel pilot shot down on 11 November 1917 while serving with 70 Squadron. According to Trevor Henshaw, he was probably shot down by Uffz K Reinhold of Ja 24. He had been transferred from 18 Squadron just over a week before. He was attached to the RFC from 3rd Royal Scots Fusiliers. His name was on the Arras Flying Services Memorial but at some unknown date remains concentrated into Bedford House Cemetery, Enclosure 4, were determined to be "Believed to be" his. I have his Casualty and Airhistory records, but know little about his background before 1914. Any help gratefully received. Thanks Mike Edited 15 October , 2023 by Perth Digger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alex revell Posted 15 October , 2023 Share Posted 15 October , 2023 The Richard Maybery of 56 Sqdn is with one 'r' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBrook Posted 15 October , 2023 Share Posted 15 October , 2023 (edited) The Welsh newspapers online archive has several newspaper reports following the death of Richard Aveline Maybery https://newspapers.library.wales/search?range[min]=1917&range[max]=1919&query="Richard+Aveline+Maybery"&min=1804&max=1919 Including a useful report of a memorial service in the Brecon and Radnor Express of 14 February 1918. Sorry about the colour it is how the search highlights the results. Edit: Just noticed that this is not the one you are interested in but cannot delete it. The link to the Welsh newspapers archives may be of interest to others Edited 15 October , 2023 by HarryBrook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 15 October , 2023 Admin Share Posted 15 October , 2023 7 hours ago, Perth Digger said: This Richard Mayberry is not the famous Richard Aveline Mayberry of 56 Squadron, but a Camel pilot shot down on 11 November 1917 while serving with 70 Squadron. According to Trevor Henshaw, he was probably shot down by Uffz K Reinhold of Ja 24. He had been transferred from 18 Squadron just over a week before. He was attached to the RFC from 3rd Royal Scots Fusiliers. His name was on the Arras Flying Services Memorial but at some unknown date remains concentrated into Bedford House Cemetery, Enclosure 4, were determined to be "Believed to be" his. I have his Casualty and Airhistory records, but know little about his background before 1914. Any help gratefully received. Thanks Mike Mike Your Richard was born 1891 and it is possible he may have been wounded in 1915 as per the FMP record below (Note 1 Bn not 3rd but transfers occur) There is also a 1917 entry re GSW Chest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 15 October , 2023 Admin Share Posted 15 October , 2023 If he was the 1915 wounded man then he was a member of the Glasgow University OTC - The Scotsman 27 February 1915 courtesy FMP Originally reported missing in 1917 - The Sheffield Daily Telegraph 28 November 1917 (FMP) Glasgow University Roll of Honour has him as a Student (also a Captain) but no further info yet (courtesy FMP) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 15 October , 2023 Admin Share Posted 15 October , 2023 OK - here is a potential spanner in the works - it seems the Glasgow University man may have been this one? The Scotsman 6th October 1915 (courtesy FMP) This either gives more information on him or suggests a different man Probably need a Gazette / Army Lists expert to sort it out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth Digger Posted 15 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 15 October , 2023 Quite right, Alec, my mistake. Thanks. It looks as if he was wounded twice with RSF in 1915, David, as this is most probably the same bloke, and then with 18 Squadron in March 1917. His 1914-1915 Star details show him going to France before 26 February 1915, the date of his first wounding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 15 October , 2023 Admin Share Posted 15 October , 2023 Something for the genealogists to look into - details of his father who claimed his medals (courtesy Ancestry) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth Digger Posted 16 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 16 October , 2023 I hope they will, David. My trawl of Ancestry has been a failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 16 October , 2023 Share Posted 16 October , 2023 3 hours ago, Perth Digger said: My trawl of Ancestry has been a failure. His death date is listed as 15th November though... Ancestry has a family tree Richard Mayberry 1891–1917 BIRTH 1ST MAR 1891 • Ballymena, Antrim, Northern Ireland DEATH 15 NOV 1917 • France https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/41259455/person/232158803605/facts?_phsrc=DUQ98&_phstart=successSource George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 16 October , 2023 Share Posted 16 October , 2023 As with some Ancestry trees though I wonder if this is correct. The soldier's effects appear to have his father as William-at least he seems to be the executor. https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/60506/images/42511_6117463_0171-00356?pId=347394 George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 16 October , 2023 Share Posted 16 October , 2023 There is other evidence for William as the father Scotland, National Probate Index (Calendar of Confirmations and Inventories), 1876-1936 Courtesy Ancestry George This could be an extraordinary coincidence that two Richard Mayberrys died in November 1917 attached to RFC with 4 days of each other... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth Digger Posted 16 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 16 October , 2023 (edited) Many thanks, George. I agree that the coincidence would be extraordinary. I would guess that the family tree has the wrong name for the father. The ICRC has no record. Mike Edited 16 October , 2023 by Perth Digger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 16 October , 2023 Share Posted 16 October , 2023 On 15/10/2023 at 04:13, Perth Digger said: I have his Casualty and Airhistory records, but know little about his background before 1914 Is this his airhistory? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth Digger Posted 16 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 16 October , 2023 Yes, it is and the second page shows that he died as a POW. The date the sheet was started, 16 August 1918, is probably the date that his death was presumed. BTW, these sheets can be downloaded from the National Archives for free, courtesy of Covid. Thanks Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 16 October , 2023 Share Posted 16 October , 2023 2 hours ago, Perth Digger said: these sheets can be downloaded from the National Archives These sheets appear to have previous service record missing. Or is this a different form? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth Digger Posted 16 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 16 October , 2023 AIR 76 is available from TNA online: 10 a day can be downloaded, 100 a month. All currently free. The page you placed above is the first page (of 2) of AIR 76/341/152. His casualty form which gives details of his early months is in the RAF Museum files: the first page is https://www.casualtyforms.org/form/15074 Mayberry can also be found amongst the Ms in Airhistory, at http://www.airhistory.org.uk/rfc/files/names_combined_M.txt just scroll down. You probably already have these tools to hand. There are so many now that I often forget one or two when searching for an individual. I also often get confused with some of the stuff, which, of course, is why GWF exists! Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 16 October , 2023 Admin Share Posted 16 October , 2023 His army service record is at TNA but need a visit or get it copied Lieutenant Richard MAYBERRY. The Royal Scots Fusiliers. | The National Archives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth Digger Posted 16 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 16 October , 2023 A bit far for me to travel, David! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth Digger Posted 16 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 16 October , 2023 I've managed to confirm from the War Diary of 2nd RSF that Mayberry was not with them in January and February 1915, but I just cannot get to the 1st Battalion WD on Ancestry. Whatever I try I get the 4th Middlesex WD! It's driving me nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 16 October , 2023 Admin Share Posted 16 October , 2023 For record numbers: 1 Battalion Royal Scots Fusiliers | The National Archives 1 Battalion Royal Scots Fusiliers | The National Archives Nothing there for 3 battalion... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth Digger Posted 16 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 16 October , 2023 Thank you, David. I've downloaded it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth Digger Posted 16 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 16 October , 2023 Mayberry's period in the trenches was fairly short. He arrived at 1/RSF on 16 February 1915, with 20 replacements. The battalion almost immediately moved to trenches on the southern edge of the canal south of Ypres, where he was wounded and evacuated on the evening of 23 February. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perth Digger Posted 16 October , 2023 Author Share Posted 16 October , 2023 I see that in the 1901 Ireland Census that Mayberry's eldest brother was named Samuel. That may explain the issue of William (father) and Samuel (brother)? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tawhiri Posted 16 October , 2023 Share Posted 16 October , 2023 (edited) Possibly this Richard Mayberry, who was commissioned as a 2nd Lieutenant (on probation) with the 3rd Battalion of the Royal Scots Fusiliers on 15 August 1914, and confirmed in that rank on 17 February 1915. He was then promoted to Lieutenant on 13 April 1915. https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28894/page/7100 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29070/page/1564 https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29174/supplement/5092 He has quite a few incident cards in the RAF Museum Storyvault, including one that gives a fairly full history of his various woundings, which also notes that he was with the 3rd Battalion of the Royal Scots Fusiliers, so he must be the same individual as found above in the Gazette. https://www.rafmuseumstoryvault.org.uk/archive/7000251836-mayberry-r https://www.rafmuseumstoryvault.org.uk/pages/raf_vault.php?RAF-code=7000278934&RAF-titel=Mayberry%2C+R.+(Richard)&RAF-code=&RAF-titel=Mayberry%2C R.&van=1 If his birth date is correct, then according to this 1891 Irish birth registration, his father was Samuel Mayberry, while his mother was the former Sarah Bright(?)Wright. Further edited to add that the death of an 82-year old Sarah Mayberry was registered in Shotts (Western District) in 1942, her age being consistent with her age in the 1911 Scotland census below. This death was also indexed under the surname Wright, which would be her maiden name. Father Samuel appears to have died at the age of 75, his death being registered in Bellshill in 1933. https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1891/02402/1895701.pdf Edited to add that this appears to be Richard, with his family, living in Bellshill, Larnark in the 1911 Scotland census, which also confirms his parents as Samuel and Sarah, so consistent with his 1891 birth registration. MAYBERRY SAMUEL 1911 M 52 625/3 9/ 13 Bellshill Lanark MAYBERRY SARAH 1911 F 51 625/3 9/ 13 Bellshill Lanark MAYBERRY THOMAS 1911 M 26 625/3 9/ 13 Bellshill Lanark MAYBERRY SAMUEL 1911 M 24 625/3 9/ 13 Bellshill Lanark MAYBERRY ALEXANDER 1911 M 22 625/3 9/ 13 Bellshill Lanark MAYBERRY RICHARD 1911 M 20 625/3 9/ 13 Bellshill Lanark MAYBERRY JAMES 1911 M 17 625/3 9/ 13 Bellshill Lanark MAYBERRY MINNIE 1911 F 15 625/3 9/ 13 Bellshill Lanark Edited 16 October , 2023 by Tawhiri Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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