Holger Kotthaus Posted 22 September , 2023 Share Posted 22 September , 2023 Which coat of Arms on gun barrel? Maybe one of the Gentlemen is be able to identify this: Original Source: https://content.invisioncic.com/r224821/monthly_2023_09/image.jpeg.d1ea741526ad427f715f63693a141508.jpeg Further background: https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/306628-is-this-a21cm-german-howitzer-shell-case/ Regards Holger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RNCVR Posted 22 September , 2023 Share Posted 22 September , 2023 (edited) 54 minutes ago, Holger Kotthaus said: Which coat of Arms on gun barrel? Maybe one of the Gentlemen is be able to identify this: Original Source: https://content.invisioncic.com/r224821/monthly_2023_09/image.jpeg.d1ea741526ad427f715f63693a141508.jpeg Further background: https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/306628-is-this-a21cm-german-howitzer-shell-case/ Regards Holger Appears to be King George II of England. Edited 22 September , 2023 by RNCVR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knittinganddeath Posted 22 September , 2023 Share Posted 22 September , 2023 Wondering if this is a military cypher and if @FROGSMILE might recognise it? Looks like the word at the bottom might be Latin and the British monarch and Prince of Wales don't have Latin mottos, but some regiments do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 22 September , 2023 Share Posted 22 September , 2023 (edited) 33 minutes ago, knittinganddeath said: Wondering if this is a military cypher and if @FROGSMILE might recognise it? Looks like the word at the bottom might be Latin and the British monarch and Prince of Wales don't have Latin mottos, but some regiments do. There’s an outspread wings (aka ‘displayed’) Eagle on the top part of the barrel - seemingly single headed, with a crown on its head and facing right as we look. The cypher appears to me to be a stylised R with Roman numeral II. This suggests a European monarch who was the second of their name. The crown seems Germanic style similar to Victoria’s and Albert’s family’s Guelphic version. It implies to me a pre Bismark unification German state or principality. Edited 22 September , 2023 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastSurrey Posted 22 September , 2023 Share Posted 22 September , 2023 The Latin motto looks to be along the lines of 'Ultima ratio regis'-i.e. 'The ruler's final statement'. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie2 Posted 22 September , 2023 Share Posted 22 September , 2023 It is WR II, the Monogramme of HM Kaiser Wilhelm II, there is either the Prussian or German eagle further up the barrel Scroll down https://www.ratisbons.com/de/auctions-archive/2nd-antiques-auction/offiziers-seitengewehr-mit-aufgelgtem-monogramm-von-wilhelm-ii.html Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 22 September , 2023 Share Posted 22 September , 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, charlie2 said: It is WR II, the Monogramme of HM Kaiser Wilhelm II, there is either the Prussian or German eagle further up the barrel Scroll down https://www.ratisbons.com/de/auctions-archive/2nd-antiques-auction/offiziers-seitengewehr-mit-aufgelgtem-monogramm-von-wilhelm-ii.html Charlie Brilliant Charlie! I can see the W now and am kicking myself - as I’m not completely unfamiliar with the cypher and have commented upon it in the forum before. Edited 22 September , 2023 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EastSurrey Posted 22 September , 2023 Share Posted 22 September , 2023 1 hour ago, EastSurrey said: The Latin motto looks to be along the lines of 'Ultima ratio regis'-i.e. 'The ruler's final statement'. Michael Now I've checked, Chartrand's 'Louis XIV's Army' shows one of Louis' guns bearing the motto' Ultima Ratio Regum' [shortened from regorum?], which he translates as 'The last argument of kings'. Louis had many imitators in Germany, including Frederick I, the first Prussian king! Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holger Kotthaus Posted 22 September , 2023 Author Share Posted 22 September , 2023 Dear All, many thanks for your competed replies. Your comments realy helped. The gun barrel must have been produced at the beginning of the 20th century. Accordingly, the dedication to Kaiser Wilhelm II should be consistent. The decisive factor is probably the II under the crown, since the crown itself was probably 'used' since 1618, at the beginning of the Grand Duchy of Brandenburg, through the Kingdom of Prussia and up to the German Empire until 1918. Regards Holger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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