Keith_history_buff Posted 29 July , 2023 Share Posted 29 July , 2023 Hi Eran, Thanks for your reply. It's more the case that I have expended the small amount of information that I have on interpreters. From a metaphysical angle, there is the debate of why have certain records survived (spoiler: legal or accounting reasons), and what were the circumstances that resulted in others being discarded (spoiler: no legal or accounting reason to retain said records.) There are debates that loop eternally, such as the Red Cross having the kind of realtime military intelligence capacity in Flanders 1914 that Bellingcat can only dream of! This theory arose on a thread on here a while back and I have no appetite for debates that can go down this kind of route. There is no need to apologise, you have not been pushy. I have wanted to be definitive regarding (1) the small knowledge I had on locally hired interpreters, and (2) providing a monologue as to what records have survived and why. I suspect that you have already done the following, but you may want to expand your Armenian research to the aforementioned Armenian troops in French service within the Détachement Français de Palestine et de Syrie. Their names of the fallen should be appearing on the French sources of (1) the memoiredeshommes website (of the French ministere de la defense) which presents the index cards of the deceased, with its information similar to that of Soldiers who Died in the Great War for British Army fatalities, and (2) the excellent not-for-profit and crowdsourced memorialgenweb which I consider to be akin to the CWGC find war dead databasehttps://www.memorialgenweb.org/memorial3/html/fr/index.php (I see this as the parallel of the (1) SDGW and (2) CWGC info that is available on the sons of Israel who - like the Armenians - fought and died for the Entente, albeit in the battalions of the Jewish Legion within the London Regiment. On that note, I bid you adieu, an wish you well with your ongoing Armenian research. All the best Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 29 July , 2023 Share Posted 29 July , 2023 Mate, Yes I could not find how they were recriuted in any records, so when checking I found most were from what was called the Egyptian Interpreters, also called the Corps of Interpreters Egyptian They were recriuted for the Army and given to the AIF in 1915 for use in Egypt but some show up at Gallipoli, I am still unsure how many did go to the landing or stayed in Egpyt? But they continued to be attached to us during the war and many passed threw the units during the war. So the mention now of a Corps of Guilds, and Indian Army, threw me as no one even mentions this group? So how many were in what group is hard to confirm, sorry As stated I have many Jews and other mixed into these but as the are no enlistment docs its no that easy. Good Luck and Bon Chance S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eran Tearosh Posted 29 July , 2023 Author Share Posted 29 July , 2023 Thanks Steve, There are at least 3 certain Jewish names on that list of yours: Attar, Boustany and Habib. No surprise - The Jewish Community in Egypt is ancient and in addition - there were many deportees from Palestine in Alexandria. Eran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 29 July , 2023 Share Posted 29 July , 2023 Mate, Just to add there enlistment s shown numbers start with " K/L " for the Corps of Guides and Interpreters Indian Army What that means I have not found out as most just give a number not letters as ATTIGRI JM K/L 758 Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters Indian Army att Stafford Yeo buried The old Greek Cemetery Jerusalem and commemorated in Ramleh Epstein Simon K/L 1086 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter EEF But again not confirmed Epstein was in the Corps of Guides and Interpreters Indian Army or Egyptian Interpreters? Cheers S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eran Tearosh Posted 29 July , 2023 Author Share Posted 29 July , 2023 Well, seems that these letters, KL, are connected to the interpreters. We still need to verify this. Simon Epstein is as Jewish it can get... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 29 July , 2023 Share Posted 29 July , 2023 (edited) Mate, Also GOLDSTEIN Maurice J 711 Interpreter unknown AIF or Egyptian Army Interpreter att RHQ/1 LHR 6-18 (not identified) PS, Just to throw you here another I found J. Sommerville K/L 1112 Corps of Guides and Interpreters and Gratch Meyer K/L 1068 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter att DMC HQ Jallouk Farid T K/L 955 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter EEF Joab Novik K/L 694 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Aziz Zeind K/L 704 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter att General Service Infantry 1st Echelon Divisional Kelab Another of your Armenians I have added to him; CHAVOOSHIAN Kevork N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter att RHQ/04 LHR 5-15 and Anzac Corps to Sgt Royal Fusiliers prom 2/Lt Army of the Black Sea (Armenian) Edited 30 July , 2023 by stevenbecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 30 July , 2023 Share Posted 30 July , 2023 Keith has already drawn attention to those medal rolls, including those indexed by Ancestry as Malta Artillery even though they have nothing to do with this. Here's another sample page from Ancestry/National Archives: There is a mass of intriguing info in just one page! But I note that the medals seem to have been issued in 1930s so there is a possibility of a file somewhere all about these late claims?? Maybe in the Foreign Office files at National Archives? Just a thought. Charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eran Tearosh Posted 30 July , 2023 Author Share Posted 30 July , 2023 (edited) All, I corresponded earlier today with Yigal Sheffy who published this book: British Military Intelligence in the Palestine Campaign 1914-1918 (London, 1998). Yigal (Then Dr., later Prof.) did know about the Corps of Guides and Interpreters. He was surprised to hear from me that they are associated with the Indian Army, which takes us back to that note by GWF member Green Acorn (Hendo) who mentioned something about that on the old thread about the Interpreter Corps. I sent a PM to Hendo on that, and hope he'll return to me. However, this is what Yigal Sheffy wrote about the EEF Corps: "... the Guides' and Interpreters' Corps, established in mid-1917, specialised in guiding the patrols and raids. Led by British officers, it consisted initially of local Bedouin, Sudanese scouts, and former Armenian prisoners-of-war, and later mostly of Palestinian Arabs and Jews who were recruited for the dual capacity of guide and interpreter and allocated one to a regiment for the purpose of interrogating prisoners, including Germans, and enabling officers to communicate with the local inhabitants". In a footnote, these references are mentioned: WO 95/4361: GHQ EEF to WO, No. ER 950, 10 March 1918; WO 24/916: War Establishment No. 871, 'Guides' and Interpreters' Corps', Dec. 1917; WO 24/928: War Establishment No. 204/331, 'Guides' and Interpreters' Corps', Nov. 1918; Ernest Hammond, History of the 11th Light Horse Regiment (Brisbane, 1942), p. 104 Eran Edited 30 July , 2023 by Eran Tearosh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eran Tearosh Posted 30 July , 2023 Author Share Posted 30 July , 2023 10 hours ago, charlie962 said: Keith has already drawn attention to those medal rolls, including those indexed by Ancestry as Malta Artillery even though they have nothing to do with this. Here's another sample page from Ancestry/National Archives: There is a mass of intriguing info in just one page! But I note that the medals seem to have been issued in 1930s so there is a possibility of a file somewhere all about these late claims?? Maybe in the Foreign Office files at National Archives? Just a thought. Charlie Thank you, Charlie! The majority of these people were recruited during 1917-1918, which fits the info given by Yigal Sheffy (Post above). The registration (Service) numbers are mostly marked as KL, or just a number. I guess that some of these on this page were sent to other theaters of war, and maybe that explains that indeed strange definition of 'Malta Artillery'... I agree with you - A mass of intriguing info. Would love go to through all these files! Eran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 30 July , 2023 Share Posted 30 July , 2023 Eran, As to Hammond I show at lest two men who were Interpreters with the 11 LHR RIYAD S N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter 11 LHR AMD ZELONKA SH N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army att Interpreter RHQ/11 LHR to disch 12-18 (War diary) (not identified) But who he's talking about is so far unknown S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 1 August , 2023 Share Posted 1 August , 2023 Mate, Just to add I notice that there are two such letters in the Egyptian part There numbers prefixed by the letter "L" is for the Intelligence Corps, like HAGOPIAN V L 515 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter NZEF 10-17 to 11-18 (Armenian) It appears that some of these were used for Interpreter work as above The other I have mentioned as "K/L" is for the Corps of Guides and Interpreters Indian Army But as stated most have just a number, or no number at all. The documents found by the boys are great, and puts flesh to the bones. S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eran Tearosh Posted 1 August , 2023 Author Share Posted 1 August , 2023 Thanks Steve, Indeed, these documents do make things more personal and 'alive'! I too noticed the different letters for some and the lack of letters or even numbers for others. However, I want to return to the units themselves. It seems that the official name of this unit is the Corps of Guides and Interpreters. This appears clearly in the detailed report of the EEF that Michael pointed at and also in Prof. Yigal Sheffy's book I quoted. You relate to the Egyptian Army, but I think you mentioned that it was not written as such, and it's more of an assumption. If I understand correctly, you assume that a part was recruited under the Egyptian Army and another part under the Indian Army. Now, the Indian Army is definitely used by the CWGC records (4 Dead) but it remains a bit vague if it's correct or not. Prof. Sheffy was very surprised to see this and he never crossed this connection before. GWF member Green Acorn (Hendo) made an interesting remark on that in the past, but it remains an unclear issue. I'll try to get to the relevant WO records and clear this issue. At this moment, I assume that this is a glitch in the CWGC (Then IWGC), however, based on something or someone way back then. The other interpreter buried in the Holy Land (Jerusalem, commemorated Ramleh), J. M. ATTIRGI, triggers another mystery, as to the identity of the unit he belonged to, but I think I'll start a new topic on that at the Soldiers or their units sub-forum. Eran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 1 August , 2023 Share Posted 1 August , 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Eran Tearosh said: Now, the Indian Army is definitely used by the CWGC records (4 Dead) but it remains a bit vague if it's correct or not. Prof. Sheffy was very surprised to see this and he never crossed this connection before. GWF member Green Acorn (Hendo) made an interesting remark on that in the past, but it remains an unclear issue. I'll try to get to the relevant WO records and clear this issue. At this moment, I assume that this is a glitch in the CWGC (Then IWGC), however, based on something or someone way back then. There were two Indian infantry units which served in the EEF and had names which (as they included the word 'Guides') may be adding to the confusion here; 21st Infantry Brigade [7th (Indian) Division – landed in Egypt, January 1918] 1st Guides Infantry and 180th Brigade [60th Division] 2nd Guides Infantry [began to arrive in April 1918*] The "Corps of Guides and Interpreters" seems to have already been established before either of these units arrived in this theatre Edit * the 2nd Guides Infantry were still in training at Tell el Kebir on 3rd July 1918 and had another two weeks training to go - see footnote p.419, of Part II of the OH Egypt & Palestine June 1917 to the end of the War Edited 1 August , 2023 by michaeldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 1 August , 2023 Share Posted 1 August , 2023 Eran, As to Interpreters with British Cavalry I show these men; ATTIGRI JM K/L 758 Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter (Corps of Guides and Interpreters Indian Army) att Stafford Yeo buried The old Greek Cemetery Jerusalem and commemorated in Ramleh So part of the 22nd Mounted Bde I have few British Interpreters shown but these; BARSOUM Aziz N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter att 22 Mtd Bde to hosp 5-17 and 54th Div CURMI A N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter att City of London Yeomanry HAGGAR Elias N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Glamorgan Yeomanry HAGGAR H N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Worcestershire Yeomanry MALOOF NJ N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter City of London Yeomanry MOHAMED Yousry N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter att British Cavalry in Egypt SALEM AH N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Middlesex Yeomanry SEROPIAN Z N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter County of London Yeomanry ZAKARIAN DB N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Mounted Bde (unknown if British or NZ) PARODIS EG 322 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Mounted Bde (unknown if British or NZ) VAXMAN Solomon 94 Interpreter Egyptian Army Egyptian Interpreters Again unknown if they are Egyptian Interpreters, but most show Egyptian Interpreters S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eran Tearosh Posted 1 August , 2023 Author Share Posted 1 August , 2023 OK. I started to write this over 12 hours ago but had to go out, so I'm back to this only now. In the meanwhile, Michael wrote something which is connected, but please bear with me. As mentioned above - I searched CWGC records for the rank 'interpreter' in Israel and Palestine and came up with 2 names: Armenac KEMKEMIAN & J. M. ATTIRGI. J. M. ATTIRGI unit is recorded as Queen Victoria's Own Corps of Guides Cavalry (F.F.) (Lumsden's). The next search was to see how many dead are in the CWGC records of this unit in Israel and Palestine and came up with 3 results. As far as I know, Queen Victoria's Own Corps of Guides (F.F.) (Lumsden's) is the full name of units more commonly known as The Guides (Infantry) and The Guides (Cavalry). Again, as far as I know, The Guides (Cavalry) never got to this theatre of war (remained in Mesopotamia), while The Guides (Infantry) had 2 battalions operating here. I already mentioned above that The Guides (Infantry) 1st Battalion was in action in this theatre of war for a longer period of time, involved in two major actions: The Capture of the Sisters (June 8th, 1918) and The Battle of Sharon (September 19th, 1918). The Guides (Infantry) 2nd Battalion (a new battalion) finished their training just before the Megiddo Offensive and participated in The Battle of Sharon (September 19th, 1918). So, the next search was to find how the deads of The Guides (Infantry) in this country are recorded in the CWGC records. It's under Queen Victoria's Own Corps of Guides Infantry (F.F.) (Lumsden's). There are 14 names under this unit's name, some of the 1st Battalion (5), some of the 2nd Battalion (4), and a few without mention of the battalion (5, all except 1 can be identified as of the 1st Battalion, including British Officers). Back to the Queen Victoria's Own Corps of Guides Cavalry (F.F.) (Lumsden's). Went through the full details of all 3 names - 2 of them are recorded as of the 1st Battalion and have infantry ranks (Not cavalry!). As The Guides (Cavalry) were never in this theatre of war, the natural conclusion is that this is a mistake in the IWGC/CWGC records and these two dead (Sepoy Aulia KHAN & Naik AIJAL) should be included in the records of the dead of the Queen Victoria's Own Corps of Guides Infantry (F.F.) (Lumsden's). The third name there is Interpreter J. M. ATTIRGI, and in his case, it seems that there is a double mistake: The first one was associating him with Queen Victoria's Own Corps of Guides Cavalry (F.F.) (Lumsden's). My guess is that he was recruited to the Corps of Guides and Interpreters and someone made a mistake due to the word 'Guides'. This is supported by the fact that ATTRIGI was attached to the Staffordshire Yeomanry, just as other members of the Corps of Guides and Interpreters were attached to various cavalry regiments & infantry battalions. The second mistake is that he is identified as an Indian war dead. Seems that this is another mistake in the IWGC/CWGC records that has to be corrected - the Corps of Guides and Interpreters had no connection to the Indian Army and therefore the unit we find in the records, Corps of Guides and Interpreters, Indian Army is simply wrong. the casualties of this Corps were Natives, not Indian (not a single Indian in the lists we saw so far). Eran Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 1 August , 2023 Share Posted 1 August , 2023 Mate, Makes sence, as all I found show either Corps of Guides and Interpreters or Corps of Interpreters Egyptian and or Egyptian Interpreters Not where, other then the four dead, mention Indian Army? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eran Tearosh Posted 1 August , 2023 Author Share Posted 1 August , 2023 All the Q.V.O. Corps of Guides (F.F.) (Lumsden's) - Infantry & Cavalry, which includes the Interpreter ATTRIGI Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 1 August , 2023 Share Posted 1 August , 2023 No roll ref but this card at National Archives says "Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eran Tearosh Posted 1 August , 2023 Author Share Posted 1 August , 2023 Which is probably the most exact way it should appear in the records! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 1 August , 2023 Share Posted 1 August , 2023 (edited) Yes, Most just show EEF with no comments. So weather there CofGI is unknown MELIKIAN DA N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter EEF MELIKIAN J. John N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter EEF MIKHAIL Zakhari N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter EEF MIKHAIL Tewfik N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter EEF MIKHAIL Zaki N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter EEF PS I notice the NAA (National Archives of Australia has a file on his man RIAD or MORCOS Morcos or Riad 457 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter att Headquarters Base Commandant to (14 AGH) hosp (Pyrexia) 3-18 rtn 4-18 The BNA has him as Riad Morcos while the NAA has him as Morcos Riad shown in British records as EEF, while the Aussie records give the details shown and he is mentioned as a Christian but not what country? Edited 2 August , 2023 by stevenbecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eyman Posted 22 August , 2023 Share Posted 22 August , 2023 On 02/08/2023 at 00:26, charlie962 said: No roll ref but this card at National Archives says "Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF." There is a card for Selim Spiridon, 1119 KL, Cl(ass) 2 Clerk Grade 1, Corps of Guides & Interpreters, applied for his BWM/VM in 1924 - address in Jerusalem. Surname suggests Greek descent. Another card for KL1112 Interpreter J Somerville, no medals noted. Ian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 24 August , 2023 Share Posted 24 August , 2023 Mate, Yes the best we can find so far is the many such men recruited by the British in Egypt/Palestine seams to be called "Corps of Guides and Interpreters" That they appear to be in to types, that being the Guides and Interpreters and or Intell Corps Of cause its still all to play for, but that's the best we can confirm, how they put in Indian Army can only be sumised, that they got mixed up with the Indian Regt of the same name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 24 August , 2023 Share Posted 24 August , 2023 (edited) PS, These are the men I have so far found with units in Egypt/Palestine ABDULLAH Nusseir N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF ADAMSON S K/L 770 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (syrian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF 2-18 to 2-20 (Corps of Guides and Interpreters ) (Indian Army?) AGHAMAM D N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att Desert Coloum HQ ANDRAWIS I N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att 2 NZ Bde ANTREASSIAN MB N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att Anzac Corps HQ ATTAR Joseph N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Jew) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att Egyptian Headquarters and ECTC ATTAR R N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Jew) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att Egyptian Headquarters ATTIGRI JM K/L 758 Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter (Corps of Guides and Interpreters ) (Indian Army?) att Stafford Yeo buried The old Greek Cemetery Jerusalem and commemorated in Ramleh AZIZ Zeind K/L 704 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att General Service Infantry 1st Echelon Divisional Kelab (Corps of Guides and Interpreters (Indian Army?) BAKIT ? 742 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att Aust MD HQ BARSOUM Aziz N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter (Egyptian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att 22 Mtd Bde to hosp 5-17 and 54th Div BASTA S N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Greek) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att 4 Bde HQ BENGHIAT Joseph 306 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Palestine Jew) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF 4-15 to 1-18 BENLIAN J N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter (Armenian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att Aust MDT and Australian Divisional Training Unit and Egyptian HQ 3-15 to 3-19 BIBERMAN J N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att NZMR BISHARA Baghes 488 Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreters (Syrian?) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF Egypt BORGHESSANO A N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att Anzac MD BOTROS Zaky 500 Interpreter Egyptian Army ELC interpreter at Kantara att 32Co AASC Anzac MDT (not identified) BOUSTANY NK N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Jew) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att 03 LHR (AKA Nicholas Boustani ELC (489) CALOMRTI J N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF CALOTHY TA N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att Aust Div CAMILLERI SC N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF CHAVOOSHIAN Kevork N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Armenian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att RHQ/04 LHR 5-15 and Anzac Corps to Sgt Royal Fusiliers prom 2/Lt Army of the Black Sea CHRISTOFIDES Dimitrius N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Greek) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF CLARK Edgar N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att Egyptian Headquarters CONDOPOULOS H 1081 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Greek) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF 9-18 CURMI A N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Maltese?) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att City of London Yeomanry DADOUSH PT N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Egyptian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att NZMR DIB Antoine N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF DIMIAN Toufick 653 Interpreter Wo2 Egyptian Army interpreter (Egyptian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att 2 LH Bde HQ (149/11) to hosp (dyspepsia dysentry) 5-17 rtn 6-17 to hosp (septic sores) 2-18 rtn 2-18 DJEYUERIAN K N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF DOUMMAR J N/R Interpreter Egyptain Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att RHQ/04 LHR 1-15 transfered 4-15 (not identified) DZERIGIAN P N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF EASA A N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att New Zealand Regiment ECONOMIDES Nicholas H 320 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Greek) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF (24th Div) EL KHOURY David N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Lebanese?) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF ELIAS F N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF at Mounted Div HQ EPSTEIN Simon K/L 1086 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Palestine Jew) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF 9-18 (Corps of Guides and Interpreters ) (Indian Army?) FARIS Adib A N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Syrian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF FEINBERG J 1979 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Jew?) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF FOX Amos N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Egyptian Interpreters FREIJAH Jamiel N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter (Lebanese?) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att 1 LH Bde HQ 12-14 accident shot Pte Alt 5-10-18 and Egyptian Head Quarters AKA Frejah GABRIEL Ascar N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF GABRIEL Fahim N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF GABRIELLIAN Z N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att 2 LHR GEORGE Ibrahim Bertrand K/L 753 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (syrian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF 1-18 (Corps of Guides and Interpreters ) (Indian Army?) GIRGAS Isaac N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att ASqn/01 LHR 1-16 (not identified) GIRGIS Fanus E 133 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Egyptian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF 1-16 to 1-19 GIRGUIS Boutros N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF GOBRIAL Caspar N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Egyptian?) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att 1 LH Bde HQ to 1 LH Bde Trn 12-14 and 46th Sanitary Section Abbassia GOLDSTEIN Maurice J 711 Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter (Jew) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att RHQ/1 LHR 6-18 and 1 LH Bde HQ GRATCH Meyer K/L 1068 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att DMC HQ (Corps of Guides and Interpreters ) (Indian Army?) HABBASH S N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att 2 ASH HABIB Elias N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter (Jew) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att 2 LH Bde HQ 5-15 att 02 LHR 5-15 (not identified) possibly att Royal Army Ordnance Corps or Intelligence Office HABIB Gadallah N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Jew) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF HAFEZ Mohamed 599 Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att 9 LHR 1917-18 shown in war diary 9-18 HAGGAR Elias N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att Glamorgan Yeomanry HAGGAR H N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att Worcestershire Yeomanry HAGOPIAN K N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Armenian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF HAGOPIAN Vartan L 515 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Armenian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att NZEF 10-17 to 11-18 & Intelligence Corps HAGOPIAN VZ N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Armenian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters att Anson Battalion Royal Naval Division 1915 HAIG Leon N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF HALEVY M N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Jew?) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att 5 LH Bde HQ HANNA Milhail or Mikhail N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att BSqn/01 LHR 1-16 (not identified) HANNA Nasti N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att 10 LHR 1-18 (not identified) HARB WII N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att 54 Div HARONIAN A N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Armenian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att NZB HQ and Egyptian HQ 3-15 to 3-18 HASSAN Sultan Ali N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army Guide Interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att ICC Bde AKA Ali Sultan Hassan HASSERDJIAN A N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att NZEF HENEIN Emile E. N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Egyptian?) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att RHQ/01 LHR 1-16 to C Sqn 2-16 HOROWITZ Salomon N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Jew) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF IBRAHIM Sarmad N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF IBRAHIM effendi Laleh N/R youbashi Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att Aust MDT 8-17 att DMC HQ 8-17 (not identified) JALLOUK Farid T K/L 955 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF (Corps of Guides and Interpreters ) (Indian Army?) JAPHET A N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter (Corps of Guides and Interpreters ) (Indian Army?) buried Alexandria Chatby Military and War Memorial Cemetery (not identified) JOAB Novik K/L 694 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF (Corps of Guides and Interpreters (Indian Army?) JOUZY Nasir H N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att ALH KALEBDJIAN N N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Armenian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters att Advanced Intell GHQ KALOUSTIAN Z N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Armenian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters att unknown Biritsh Bde KAMEL George Awadallah N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF KAWKABANI Elias N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att Egyptian Headquarters KELEDJIAN A N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter (Armenian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att NZMR KEMKEMIAN Armenac N/R interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter (Armenian) (Corps of Guides and Interpreters ) (Indian Army?) att 2 LH Bde HQ supply sect reported killed by bomb in air attack at Shellal buried Beersheba War Cemetery Palestine KEVORKIAN Arthur N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Armenian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF KEVORKIAN Levon Der N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Armenian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF KHALIL Eid N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF KHALIL Kamel N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att DMC KHOURY P N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Lebanese?) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF KIRGOZIAN ? N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF KlIJIAN or KILIDIJIAN Ardache A 522 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Armenian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att AASC Anzac MDT to Eastern Force HQ 5-17 KNEZEVITCH Nichilas N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army to 1 LH Bde HQ (in AIF nom roll) possibly interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF (not identified) KOUYOUMIJIAN A N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter (Corps of Guides and Interpreters ) (Indian Army?) buried Alexandria Chatby Military and War Memorial Cemetery LAMBRINIDIS B N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Greek?) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att ALH LOIZO V N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Greek?) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att RHQ/04 LHR 2-15 att B Sqn 4-15 disch 5-15 (not identified) LUFTIEL Mandarawi N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att Egyptian Headquarters MAGHAKIAN rant N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF MALOOF NJ N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att City of London Yeomanry MANSOURY Abdul Hamid el N/R Dvr Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att RHQ/04 LHR 8-17 (not identified) MANTOVANI Casimer 961 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF MASSEOFF Bernard 996 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Palestine Jew) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF 3-18 to 1-19 MEDOWA D N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att ALH MEDZADOURIAN KS N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att 1st Aust Div 1915 MEHMED Naim 1900 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (British Cypiot) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF 9-18 to 12-18 MELIKIAN DA N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF MELIKIAN J. John N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF MIKHAIL Tewfik N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF MIKHAIL Zakhari N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF MIKHAIL Zaki N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF MOHAMED Ali Said 220 Dvr Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att 4 LH Bde HQ att RHQ/04 LHR 10-17 (not identified) MOHAMED Hafez 599 Dvr Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att 9 LHR MOHAMED Yousry N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att British Cavalry in Egypt MORGENSTERN EJ N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF MOURADIAN Garabed N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Armenian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF NAKASHIAN Artin S. 944 Interpreter Egyptian Army Egyptian Interpreter (Armenian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att RHQ/05 LHR 6-18 (not identified) NEIGER Alex N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att 75 Div OKOSDINOSIAN Aram N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF OUZIEL M N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Palestine) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF PARODIS EG 322 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att Mounted Bde (unknown if British or NZ) PAVLIDES Demetris N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Greek) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att Egyptian HQ 3-15 to 6-15 shown AMDT PICTON James N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF RASSI J N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF RIAD or MORCOS Morcos or Riad 457 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att Headquarters Base Commandant to (14 AGH) hosp (Pyrexia) 3-18 RIYAD S N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att 11 LHR AMD RIZ KALLAH or RIZ KAHHAH SALLEEB ? 1600 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Coptic Egyptian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF 11-16 to 1919 SALEH Ibrahem Effendi N/R Youbashi Egyptian Army interpreter (Egyptian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att Aust MDT 8-17 (not identified) SALEM AH N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att Middlesex Yeomanry SAMMAL N/R N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att RHQ/1 LHR to interpreter NZMB 7-18 shown in War Diary (not identified) SAMUEL I N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter (Jew) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att ALH SAWIRIS Z N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Egyptian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF SEROPIAN Z N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Egyptian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att County of London Yeomanry SIDER Evangelis N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Greek) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF SIMJIAN Leon N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att NZEF SINGER D N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF SOLOMON Tarazi N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF SOMMERVILLE J K/L 1112 Interpreter Egyptian Army Corps of Guides and Interpreters (Indian Army?) SOUVALIAN Stephan J N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter (Armenian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att NZMB to hosp 5-17 SPIRIDON Selim K/L 1119 Interpreter Egyptian Army Corps of Guides and Interpreters 2nd Class Clerk Grade 1 (Greek) STEPHAN Hasib Effendi N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter att General Headquarters to Chief Clerk Dongola Province Egyptian Army STEPHAN M N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters (Indian Army?) buried Cairo War Memorial Cemetery SUKI FB N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att AMD SURUR Francis N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF TADROS Ibrahim Girgis N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Egyptian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF 3-15 to 1920 TAKVORIAN MP N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Armenian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters att Advanced MT Light repair depot TARANTO M N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att Australia and New Zealand Division and Egyptian HQ TEMPLEMAN Z N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att NZB THEODORIDES ET N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter (Greek) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att Australian Volunteer Hospital THEODORO E N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Greek) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att Aust Bde and Egyptian HQ 3-15 to 3-18 TUCKERIAN H N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter (Armenian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att Otago Regiment and Egyptian HQ 2-15 to 9-18 VASSILLADIS N N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Greek) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att Aust Bde and Egyptian HQ 3-15 to 1919 VAXMAN Solomon 94 Interpreter Egyptian Army Egyptian Interpreters WASSIF Guinguis 1958 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF (25) YAZIGI Abdu N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att 1 LH Bde 1918 disch 12-18 (not identified) YOUSSEF Aziz Irlander N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Egyptian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF ZACKARIADES G N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att Anzac MD HQ ZAKARIAN DB N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter (Armenian) Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att Mounted Bde (unknown if British or NZ) ZEIBAK or TEWFIK Tewfik E or Zeibak N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att 1 LH Bde HQ 12-14 ZEIDAN Michel 563 Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF ZELONKA SH N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army Interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att RHQ/11 LHR to disch 12-18 (War diary) (not identified) ZUCKERMAN A N/R Interpreter Egyptian Army interpreter Corps of Guides and Interpreters EEF att ALH Hope it give some insight of these forgotten Corps Edited 24 August , 2023 by stevenbecker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 25 August , 2023 Share Posted 25 August , 2023 Steve, that's a very impressive list for this almost unheard of unit, and I have no doubt it is the result long hours of work; can you say what documents you have based this on? regards, Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevenbecker Posted 25 August , 2023 Share Posted 25 August , 2023 Yes, its mined from many documents, including those mentioned in the comments above (better detailed then most sources), also unit war diaries and RO's for AIF members and lastly the Medal index Cards to check the above names. The Spelling of some names in many records, are what they wrote, so if there off its due to that. The unit has gone through a number of corrections and since we settled on the Corps of Guilds and Interpreters EEF, I am happy with that, until a better idea comes along I could go into the names a bit more, like some are clearly Jewish, but I didn't put that as I could find no document to support that. I hope its of some help to anyone S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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