arantxa Posted 2 March , 2022 Author Share Posted 2 March , 2022 The back is stuck down and I think if I try to open it. The whole thing will break Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arantxa Posted 2 March , 2022 Author Share Posted 2 March , 2022 Hi Guys it’s one hundred percent Horsley the other pictures say Horsley in the back !!!! Hi Guys it’s one hundred percent Horsley the other pictures say Horsley in the back !!!! Don’t know if the naval chap and one arm chap fit in somewhere as they all came from the same person Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arantxa Posted 2 March , 2022 Author Share Posted 2 March , 2022 Unusual medal group DSO MC but only star not trio ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 2 March , 2022 Share Posted 2 March , 2022 (edited) The Royal Engineer (grenade collars and RE button), the RAF Observer, and the Royal Naval officer are clearly all related, the family likeness is manifest. The poor fellow from the Grenadier Guards appears to have lost his arm at the shoulder and looking at his stature and bearing appears to have suffered greatly as a result. I doubt he was fit enough for frontline service thereafter so I suspect that one of his gallantry awards coincides with his desperate wounding. The proportion between the circumference of his head and that of his waist is quite extraordinary. All-in-all the photos suggest a paternal and maternal line of the same family in connection with both world wars, but that is merely my speculation. One of the Horsley’s is indeed 21st (Empress of India’s) Lancers and the other is Cheshire Regiment I think. Edited 2 March , 2022 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arantxa Posted 2 March , 2022 Author Share Posted 2 March , 2022 yes ive looked at the family tree and i think the naval picture is Arthur Clive Horsley Captain RN. a good fighting family eh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 2 March , 2022 Share Posted 2 March , 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, arantxa said: yes ive looked at the family tree and i think the naval picture is Arthur Clive Horsley Captain RN. a good fighting family eh Perhaps different generations/branches of Horsley’s as the 21st Lancer and Cheshire Regiment fellows don’t have the same facial similarity of the others. It’s intriguing that the Cheshire Regiment captain has no medal ribbons at all. Edited 2 March , 2022 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arantxa Posted 2 March , 2022 Author Share Posted 2 March , 2022 Cecil Dove Horsley Major MC 21ST LANCERS (TRIO ) His brother Wilfred Parlmer MC Pilot and then the naval chap all brothers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arantxa Posted 2 March , 2022 Author Share Posted 2 March , 2022 But the poor one armed chap i cant work out the first name Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arantxa Posted 2 March , 2022 Author Share Posted 2 March , 2022 The Cheshire regt chap is the one who became a pilot i believe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 2 March , 2022 Share Posted 2 March , 2022 1 hour ago, arantxa said: The Cheshire regt chap is the one who became a pilot i believe Several members of the family share a cleft chin. The Cheshire Regiment captain seems taller but perhaps it’s because he was slimmer back then. Nonetheless I can’t see the cleft chin on the RAF Squadron Leader (two and a half rings) who is an aircrew signals specialist and not a pilot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arantxa Posted 2 March , 2022 Author Share Posted 2 March , 2022 Sorry im maybe confusing things the Cheshire Regt chap went into Raf ww1 the other ww2 chap im not sure who he is but helpful to know he is a Sqn Ldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bordercollie Posted 2 March , 2022 Share Posted 2 March , 2022 I think the slim Grenadier Guards officer is Captain Edgar Sheppard DSO MC who transferred from the 19th Hussars during the war. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpjpl Posted 2 March , 2022 Share Posted 2 March , 2022 3 hours ago, arantxa said: 1. Edgar Sheppard ? - (son of James Edgar Sheppard) (b. 26 Jun 1878), served as a Lieutenant and finally a Captain in the 19th Q A O R (Queen Alexandra's Own Royal) Hussars Cavalry: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edgar_Sheppard 2. Grenadier Guards: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29427/page/185/data.pdf 3. The Grenadier Guards in the Great War: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/63111/63111-h/63111-h.htm JP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 2 March , 2022 Share Posted 2 March , 2022 9 minutes ago, Bordercollie said: I think the slim Grenadier Guards officer is Captain Edgar Sheppard DSO MC who transferred from the 19th Hussars during the war. Is it known how he lost his whole arm and which of the two regiments he was with at the time? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arantxa Posted 2 March , 2022 Author Share Posted 2 March , 2022 Hi yes of course Edgar..if you were right handed you would have trouble with your left hand..is it me being daft he has a 1914-15 star but no victory medal ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpjpl Posted 2 March , 2022 Share Posted 2 March , 2022 2x MIC's from ancestry: JP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 2 March , 2022 Share Posted 2 March , 2022 (edited) I’m assuming he probably lost his arm with the Hussars and was then taken on by the Guards to serve in a staff capacity only. NB. Notice his final address as St James’s Palace. Perhaps he was an equerry. An ideal job for a one armed man from a society family. Edited 2 March , 2022 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arantxa Posted 2 March , 2022 Author Share Posted 2 March , 2022 The Naval chap didn’t have a very distinguished career he grounded 2 ships ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpjpl Posted 2 March , 2022 Share Posted 2 March , 2022 No. 2 Company, 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards - 25 September 1916: I assume the last sentence refers to Edgar Sheppard - no further mention of him in volume 2 after this date: The order in which the 1st Battalion attacked was now slightly changed: the King’s Company under Captain Drury-Lowe was still on the right, but No. 2 came under Captain Sheppard next, with No. 4 under Lieutenant Lawford in support. No. 3 Company under Lieutenant Swift was nearest to the enfilade fire, and found it necessary to swing to the left, in order to face the machine-guns which were causing so many casualties. Both Lieutenant Swift and Lieutenant Harvard, the only two officers with this company, were wounded, in addition to Lieutenant Flower, and the casualties among other ranks were very heavy. With the forward progress of the Battalion the menace to the left flank increased, and Captain Sheppard threw back his left flank to protect the advance, but this naturally made it difficult for him to keep pace with the King’s Company. No. 4 Company under Lieutenant Lawford was therefore ordered to come up between the King’s and No. 2 Companies, and the advance continued in perfect lines, never hesitating for a moment in the face of a terrific fire. Lieutenant Healy was wounded, and Sergeant Brooks, who led No. 14 Platoon, behaved with great coolness and gallantry, although all his men but two were killed or wounded. He himself was not touched in the morning, but later in the afternoon had his right hand and wrist blown off by a shell. Volume 2: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/61216/61216-h/61216-h.htm JP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arantxa Posted 2 March , 2022 Author Share Posted 2 March , 2022 I’m sure it does ..that’s great investigation by you Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpjpl Posted 2 March , 2022 Share Posted 2 March , 2022 (edited) 1. Awarded the Military Cross - page 580: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29438/supplement/1 Edit 2. Distinguished Service Order (page 11042): https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29824/supplement/1 JP Edited 2 March , 2022 by helpjpl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 2 March , 2022 Share Posted 2 March , 2022 (edited) 39 minutes ago, helpjpl said: No. 2 Company, 1st Battalion Grenadier Guards - 25 September 1916: I assume the last sentence refers to Edgar Sheppard - no further mention of him in volume 2 after this date: The order in which the 1st Battalion attacked was now slightly changed: the King’s Company under Captain Drury-Lowe was still on the right, but No. 2 came under Captain Sheppard next, with No. 4 under Lieutenant Lawford in support. No. 3 Company under Lieutenant Swift was nearest to the enfilade fire, and found it necessary to swing to the left, in order to face the machine-guns which were causing so many casualties. Both Lieutenant Swift and Lieutenant Harvard, the only two officers with this company, were wounded, in addition to Lieutenant Flower, and the casualties among other ranks were very heavy. With the forward progress of the Battalion the menace to the left flank increased, and Captain Sheppard threw back his left flank to protect the advance, but this naturally made it difficult for him to keep pace with the King’s Company. No. 4 Company under Lieutenant Lawford was therefore ordered to come up between the King’s and No. 2 Companies, and the advance continued in perfect lines, never hesitating for a moment in the face of a terrific fire. Lieutenant Healy was wounded, and Sergeant Brooks, who led No. 14 Platoon, behaved with great coolness and gallantry, although all his men but two were killed or wounded. He himself was not touched in the morning, but later in the afternoon had his right hand and wrist blown off by a shell. Volume 2: https://www.gutenberg.org/files/61216/61216-h/61216-h.htm JP Brilliant stuff JP, that certainly seems to show how he was dismembered. I’m guessing that he subsequently got gangrene in the wound, as many did in the war, and that surgeons perhaps saved him by amputating his arm at the shoulder. Edited 2 March , 2022 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 2 March , 2022 Share Posted 2 March , 2022 Isn't the officer above, with flaming bomb collar dogs, Cecil Dove Horsey in a later conflict? He seems to have GW medal ribbons and more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 2 March , 2022 Share Posted 2 March , 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said: Isn't the officer above, with flaming bomb collar dogs, Cecil Dove Horsey in a later conflict? He seems to have GW medal ribbons and more. Yes Dai, along with the RAF aircrew signals specialist. Edited 2 March , 2022 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 2 March , 2022 Share Posted 2 March , 2022 (edited) 8 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said: Yes Dai, along with the RAF aircrew signals specialist. What, this man? I'd have thought he might be a son in WWII? Edited 2 March , 2022 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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