arantxa Posted 26 February , 2022 Share Posted 26 February , 2022 (edited) Edited 27 February , 2022 by arantxa I do not wish to post this item Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelpi Posted 26 February , 2022 Share Posted 26 February , 2022 Can't see " Charles" on what you are showing. Looks like "Cecil" to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arantxa Posted 26 February , 2022 Author Share Posted 26 February , 2022 Your right itsCecil Maybe that’s why I couldn’t find anything !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 26 February , 2022 Share Posted 26 February , 2022 (edited) Such appalling copies of the photograph. They look like snaps carelessly taken with a mobile phone by someone who wants information, but can’t be bothered to make the effort to provide a decent image. Idleness on parade, as the sergeant major would say. Edited 27 February , 2022 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arantxa Posted 27 February , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 February , 2022 I was always taught at OTC that usually there is a reason for things and to find that out first … Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 27 February , 2022 Share Posted 27 February , 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, arantxa said: I was always taught at OTC that usually there is a reason for things and to find that out first … To be fair, I think you know that you are genuinely wished well and when that response was first used by you some months back it was accepted. I seem to recall that you were to use another family phone until such time as you obtained something better, and that you would take care to ensure that the images improved. That was especially important given that images are your passion. It hasn’t materialised and so forgive me, but even with the best will things have worn a bit thin. Edited 27 February , 2022 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelpi Posted 27 February , 2022 Share Posted 27 February , 2022 A possible name, Cecil C Lomax ,lieutenant 12th Lancers. Seem to be no other possibles, christian name Cecil,, WW1, 12 Lancers, in National Archives, Is the photograph of a lieutenant? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelpi Posted 27 February , 2022 Share Posted 27 February , 2022 That's OK. Don't mention it. Oh. you weren't going to....I've just seen your edit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arantxa Posted 27 February , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 February , 2022 I’m going to get a better picture but it may be a few days thanks for your help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arantxa Posted 27 February , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 February , 2022 Hi This is a bad photo as I’ve tried to enlarge from a bad photo it’s on the top of the frame but as said I will get a better picture it’s just to show the number I will post the better pictures when I can Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TullochArd Posted 27 February , 2022 Share Posted 27 February , 2022 (edited) So 21st Lancers arantxa. Thinking outside the box a little.......there is, perhaps, that old fashioned stuffy trait of referring to oneself by surname alone to consider .......... could we be looking at Lt Col R. E. Cecil DSO of 21st Lancers att 9th Lancers (14/15 Star, BWM, BVM and emblem)? Sadly not. Reginald Edward Cecil was at Omduman and this fellow has no associated ribbons. No clues to his rank on the photo. Clearly no DSO ribbon on this 1916 image but he didn't get that until 1918/19. Initial root around shows he appears to have served on the General Staff. The plate below is from his rather smart Edwardian, 21st Lancers (Empress of India's) Lance Cap transit case. Edited 27 February , 2022 by TullochArd Sadly not. Reginald Edward Cecil was at Omduman and this fellow has no associated ribbons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arantxa Posted 27 February , 2022 Author Share Posted 27 February , 2022 When I put up a better photo it will show better his age …I guess he has cuff rank Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bordercollie Posted 27 February , 2022 Share Posted 27 February , 2022 Possibly Cecil Martin Keppel-Palmer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IRC Kevin Posted 27 February , 2022 Share Posted 27 February , 2022 Cecil Martin Keppel-Palmer went on to serve with the 17th/21st. No photos in any of the Regimental journals- the obit from the 1974 White Lancer & Vedette may explain why a clear photo not easily available. If you have access to the Times archive, there may be one in his obit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TullochArd Posted 28 February , 2022 Share Posted 28 February , 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Bordercollie said: Possibly Cecil Martin Keppel-Palmer That's a rather more credible suggestion than mine Bordercollie. C.M. K-P had a brother Stuart Leslie K-P MC killed in 1918. Here's his photo. There is certainly a moustache resemblance for arantxa to start with. Edited 28 February , 2022 by TullochArd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arantxa Posted 28 February , 2022 Author Share Posted 28 February , 2022 Yes that gives me a great jump off point tnank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 28 February , 2022 Share Posted 28 February , 2022 12 hours ago, IRC Kevin said: If you have access to the Times archive, there may be one in his obit. Unfortunately not. It's the exact same obituary as you had already discovered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arantxa Posted 28 February , 2022 Author Share Posted 28 February , 2022 If this is the same chap I will have to look this up as I know nothing about this skirmish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 28 February , 2022 Share Posted 28 February , 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, arantxa said: If this is the same chap I will have to look this up as I know nothing about this skirmish “In 1915 the Mohmand tribe declared a holy war or jihad against the British. The ‘Mohmand blockade’ began after a number of Mohmand raids into Peshawar, during which they sent large numbers of lashkars (In Mughal and Urdu culture the word is used to describe a "swarm like formation in any army") to attack British positions. The most important engagement occurred on 15 November 1916, at Hafiz Kor, when a Mohmand force was defeated. The Mohmand blockade was eventually lifted in July 1917 when the Mohmands finally submitted.“ Edited 28 February , 2022 by FROGSMILE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arantxa Posted 28 February , 2022 Author Share Posted 28 February , 2022 Thats interesting because i didn't know anything about that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TullochArd Posted 28 February , 2022 Share Posted 28 February , 2022 15 hours ago, IRC Kevin said: No photos in any of the Regimental journals- the obit from the 1974 White Lancer & Vedette may explain why a clear photo not easily available. If you have access to the Times archive, there may be one in his obit. There's a ton of stuff on Trove for C. M. K-P as ADC in the 20's ranging from marriage, travel, tennis, lost dog ........ with several very poor pictures (but good references to original source). The best comparative image for the OP that I could find is a 1923 one at 07 Apr 1923 - ENTHUSIASTIC SCENES MARKED THE DEPARTURE OF THE GOVERNOR OF VICTORIA (Lord Stradbroke) AND LADY STRADBROKE ON A VISIT TO ENGLAND. (The Narkunda sailed on March 31.) - Trove (nla.gov.au) That said, I'm still a long way to committing to this being the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 28 February , 2022 Share Posted 28 February , 2022 48 minutes ago, TullochArd said: That said, I'm still a long way to committing to this being the OP. No, I wouldn't say so either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrfrank Posted 1 March , 2022 Share Posted 1 March , 2022 Thought the name rang a bell. Might not help, but here is an image of CM Keppell-Palmer (to centre) lifted from a Sandhurst group photo I have (K Coy, December 1914). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bordercollie Posted 1 March , 2022 Share Posted 1 March , 2022 So the original photograph doesnt look like it is Cecil Martin Keppel-Palmer. There was another Cecil serving in the 21st Lancers in 1916; Cecil Dove Horsley but he was commissioned in 1900 and presumably by 1916 he would have been in his mid-thirties and perhaps a little older than the man in the original photograph. Harts Army list courtesy of Find My Past. S2_US_MCV_ARMY_HARTSANNUALARMY1915LOND_0208.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpjpl Posted 2 March , 2022 Share Posted 2 March , 2022 15 hours ago, Bordercollie said: So the original photograph doesnt look like it is Cecil Martin Keppel-Palmer. There was another Cecil serving in the 21st Lancers in 1916; Cecil Dove Horsley but he was commissioned in 1900 and presumably by 1916 he would have been in his mid-thirties and perhaps a little older than the man in the original photograph. 1. Cecil Dove Horsley MC Croix de Guerre was born 19 November 1875 - see page 447: https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Abx6EqTRfqEC&newbks=0&printsec=frontcover&pg=PA447&dq=Cecil+Dove+Horsley,+Cambridge+University+Alumni&hl=en&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false 2. Photo here of Cecil's brother - Wilfrid Palmer Horsley MC - born 18 April 1887 and KIA 02 July 1917 aged 30: http://www.stanwardine.com/malvernww1/pdf/MalvROHHorsley_WP.pdf JP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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