1st Bn Dorsets football team 1913/14

[charlie962]

3 minutes ago, FROGSMILE said:

not only re engaged by the RFC in 1917, but subsequently commissioned in 1918.

But for administrative duties and home service only. As you say an intelligent use for such a man.

[FROGSMILE]

54 minutes ago, charlie962 said:

But for administrative duties and home service only. As you say an intelligent use for such a man.

Yes exactly my point really and by the war’s end they’d got it right.  Everyone (or at least the vast majority) had something to offer, but it took a while before the authorities came around to that conclusion.

[PRC]

We also have another Sergeant in the football team picture who potentially could have been in the 1912 group shot of the 1st Battalion Sergeants at Blackdown.

If he was a Sergeant by then and taking out those whose facial fatures could simply never be a match, then those already ranked higher than sergeant or having specialist insignia above their sergeants stripes, and then finally removing those with medals I think narrows it down to Lance Sergeant Draper and the appropriately named Lance Sergeant Ball, both on the back row. Unfortunately the images I'm working with are too low resolution to make a meaningful side by side comparison. so I was working from chin shape and relative flatness to the sides of his head of his ears. It maybe that other candidates will suggest themselves to other viewers. The Sergeants photo can be seen here:-

There may also be a match to be made for the Pioneer Sergeant in the Neuve Chappelle picture of Sergeant Major Pell, but I didn't want to hi-jack this thread with that - well at least not yet

Cheers,
Peter

[cpnorfolk]

23 hours ago, PRC said:

Well between the various threads I think that would give five potential images of Captain Ransome to make a comparison.

From left to right.

1st Battalion Sergeants, group shot with CO and Adjutant taken at Blackdown 1912
1st Battalion Officers taken at Blackdown 1912
This picture taken Belfast 1913/1914.
Tatler picture of the Officers of the 1st Battalion prior to departure for France.
Roadside shot end August 1914.

Photos 1, 3, 4 & 5 are definitely of Ransome. Photo 2, I am pretty sure, is not Ransome. Why?

The attached photo is from "Presentation of Colours, Aldershot, May 16th, 1912" booklet, cover also attached. This appears to be the same photo you all refer to as "Blackdown 1912".

Ransome is 4th from the right sitting. The labelling appears to make Ransome sitting 2nd from right, which in fact is the officer in prc's 2nd photo above. The labelling, however, is not the standard left to right. The names are staggered in a W formation to make them fit on the page of the booklet under the photo. It explains why my grandfather appears to be listed as 2nd from right, back row, when he is standing 4th from right. And it means the officer in prc's 2nd photo is Capt. T.W. Bullock.

It had me foxed for a long time!

[PRC]

10 minutes ago, cpnorfolk said:

The attached photo is from "Presentation of Colours, Aldershot, May 16th, 1912" booklet, cover also attached. This appears to be the same photo you all refer to as "Blackdown 1912".

It comes from the thread, where the officer group photo is stated to come from the same booklet and taken at the same time as the photograph labelled as "The Sergeants, 1st  Battn. The Dorsetshire Regiment, Blackdown 1912".

Unfortunately the officer names are transcribed on that thread, rather than shown as part of the picture. A. L. Ransome is listed in the transcription as being in the front row, second to last, i.e second from right. My bad for not checking further!

Hopefully this is the right five this time

Cheers,
Peter

[FROGSMILE]

10 minutes ago, PRC said:

It comes from the thread, where the officer group photo is stated to come from the same booklet and taken at the same time as the photograph labelled as "The Sergeants, 1st  Battn. The Dorsetshire Regiment, Blackdown 1912".

Unfortunately the officer names are transcribed on that thread, rather than shown as part of the picture. A. L. Ransome is listed in the transcription as being in the front row, second to last, i.e second from right. My bad for not checking further!

Hopefully this is the right five this time

Cheers,
Peter

A perfect quintet Peter 👍

[SPotter]

Morning All,

Just to jump in on this one and say "My Bad" for the mis-classification of the Sgts photo as being taken at Blackdown, 1912. I'm not sure how I came to that conclusion, as I only have scans of the photos passed to me some years ago by a fellow Dorset 'nut', though fortunately his speciality was the 2nd Bn, not the 1st, so we were never in too direct conflict!

I have never actually seen a copy of the Gale and Polden Booklet covering the presentation of the colours to the 1st Bn. The Dorsetshire Regiment. Presumably a member of the forum does to be able to post a scan of the front cover. Can anyone confirm the total number of photos which where contained within and the subjects? I may be able to better classify some of the photos I have scans of in my database. Even better, does anyone have one they would be prepared to sell??!!

 

Regards

Steve    

[mrfrank]

8 hours ago, SPotter said:

Morning All,

Just to jump in on this one and say "My Bad" for the mis-classification of the Sgts photo as being taken at Blackdown, 1912. I'm not sure how I came to that conclusion, as I only have scans of the photos passed to me some years ago by a fellow Dorset 'nut', though fortunately his speciality was the 2nd Bn, not the 1st, so we were never in too direct conflict!

I have never actually seen a copy of the Gale and Polden Booklet covering the presentation of the colours to the 1st Bn. The Dorsetshire Regiment. Presumably a member of the forum does to be able to post a scan of the front cover. Can anyone confirm the total number of photos which where contained within and the subjects? I may be able to better classify some of the photos I have scans of in my database. Even better, does anyone have one they would be prepared to sell??!!

 

Regards

Steve    

Hello Steve,

                     I have a copy of the Gale & Polden produced booklet. It’s not for sale, but the image content is as follows:

Blessing new Colours

March past with new Colours

Old & new Colours

WOs, Staff Sgts & Sgts

Cpls & L/Cpls

The Band

Drums

A Coy - Capt JV Shute

B Coy - Capt TW Bullock

C Coy - Capt RE Partridge

D Coy - Maj CSH Waymouth

E Coy - Capt WAC Fraser

F Coy - Maj CC Hannay

G Coy - Lt JM Pitt

H Coy - Capt WTC Davidson 

There is also a roll of officers included. 
 

If it is of some interest, I have a number of images relating to the 1st battalion dated 1907-12 that relate to the service of Lt Stanley Percy Ashby Rolls. They came from an album he’d compiled that had unfortunately been broken up. They also compose group images taken in camp at Hereford in 1912 during his time as Adjt of 2nd Monmouths. 
 

I’ll perhaps open another thread with them when I get around to having a good look at them myself. 

 

 

[cpnorfolk]

On 22/02/2024 at 10:19, SPotter said:

I have never actually seen a copy of the Gale and Polden Booklet covering the presentation of the colours to the 1st Bn. The Dorsetshire Regiment. Presumably a member of the forum does to be able to post a scan of the front cover. Can anyone confirm the total number of photos which where contained within and the subjects? I may be able to better classify some of the photos I have scans of in my database. Even better, does anyone have one they would be prepared to sell??!!

Steve,

I have a spare copy of this, which you can have. I have messaged you about it.

Crispin Partridge

[SPotter]

Thanks Crispin- reply sent too!