thedawnpatrol Posted 1 December , 2021 Share Posted 1 December , 2021 Liverpool Regiment............... just picked these 3 up.............. can anyone add any info on the two MC's is there a citation for Raymond Percy's Award ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helpjpl Posted 1 December , 2021 Share Posted 1 December , 2021 1. Temp. 2nd Lt. Raymond Percy: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29684/supplement/7440/data.pdf 2. Lt. Charles O'Brien Dickinson: https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/30466/supplement/599/data.pdf JP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedawnpatrol Posted 1 December , 2021 Author Share Posted 1 December , 2021 wow, that was quick, thank you very much............. I have presumed that Dickinson was flying an artillery Observation aeroplane as they spotted from the air and messaged the Battery below............but i may have this wrong, he could have been on the ground and still with the RGA then joined the RAF ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 1 December , 2021 Share Posted 1 December , 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, thedawnpatrol said: I have presumed that Dickinson was flying an artillery Observation aeroplane as they spotted from the air and messaged the Battery below............but i may have this wrong, he could have been on the ground and still with the RGA then joined the RAF ? As the citation suggests, he was still RGA. He was wounded 8/7/17 whilst with 91st heavy Battery RGA. (presumably the event that led to his MC.) 13/7/17 he was posted to 10th Heavy Battery RGA He didn't get attached to RFC until March 1918 (having first done a 5 day course with RFC in Jan 1918) MC originally gazetted 26/9/17 Edited 1 December , 2021 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 1 December , 2021 Share Posted 1 December , 2021 Charles Dickinson's brother Alexander went one better and won an MC and Bar with the RE. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Posted 1 December , 2021 Share Posted 1 December , 2021 Nice awards... have they been engraved on the back, or are the slips of paper inserted in the lid the only evidence linking them to Dickinson and Percy? It would be nice to see a photo of the back of the MC's. Cheers, Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 1 December , 2021 Share Posted 1 December , 2021 HI thedawnpatrol, The MC Registers at the National Archives show: Dickenson - for his actions on 8(?).7.1917 Percy - for his actions on 1st/2nd (?) June !916 Images sourced from the National Archives In the images the handwritten place names are a bit indistinct (to me), but hopefully given the dates a little bit of research will enable you to nail that. Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 1 December , 2021 Share Posted 1 December , 2021 (edited) You are in luck- here's some more detail: 91 Heavy Battery RGA 5th June 1917 Lieut (acting Captain) C O'B Dickinson SR RGA joined battery as acting Capt from No103 Coy RGA ................. 8th July 1917 Right Section under command of Lieut Dickinson engaged in operations with Desert Column two miles east of KARM. 9th July 1917 12.30 Right Section opened fire and silenced a hostile 4 gun battery at a range of 10,600. 24 rounds HE were fired. 15.00 The section silenced 2 guns with 16 rounds HE at 7.100. Lieut Dickinson and Gnr Rickards were both wounded. Lieut Dickinson was awarded the Military Cross for Gallantry in Action. 12th July 1917 Lieut Dickinson joined 10 H Battery and 2Lt Trevor attached in his place. The recconaissance referred to in the citation must have been that of the Desert Column. Edited 1 December , 2021 by charlie962 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 1 December , 2021 Share Posted 1 December , 2021 Nice one c962 Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 1 December , 2021 Share Posted 1 December , 2021 1 minute ago, clk said: Nice one Good to see the date matches that annotated gazette that you always manage to unearth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedawnpatrol Posted 1 December , 2021 Author Share Posted 1 December , 2021 That's all brilliant, thank you so much for the extra information, I'll Photo the backs of the MC's tomorrow, but I think only Percy's is engraved. cheers julian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedawnpatrol Posted 2 December , 2021 Author Share Posted 2 December , 2021 11 hours ago, Stevie said: Nice awards... have they been engraved on the back, or are the slips of paper inserted in the lid the only evidence linking them to Dickinson and Percy? It would be nice to see a photo of the back of the MC's. Cheers, Steve only Percy's is engraved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Posted 2 December , 2021 Share Posted 2 December , 2021 The MC to Lt Percy is nice, but other than the slip of handwritten paper in the lid of the box, do you have any other provenance that positively links the other MC to Dickinson? Cheers, Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedawnpatrol Posted 2 December , 2021 Author Share Posted 2 December , 2021 32 minutes ago, Stevie said: The MC to Lt Percy is nice, but other than the slip of handwritten paper in the lid of the box, do you have any other provenance that positively links the other MC to Dickinson? Cheers, Steve no, don't think so, to be honest i have inherited a vast amount of WW1 / WW2 material and there could still well be provenance lurking in the piles of ephemera still to go through................. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 2 December , 2021 Share Posted 2 December , 2021 Hi, For 2/Lt Percy, I wonder what the inscribed date of 27.7.1916 represents? The inscription presumably dates to after his death, and after the medal was sent to his NoK on 13 11.1918? Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Posted 2 December , 2021 Share Posted 2 December , 2021 18 minutes ago, clk said: Hi, For 2/Lt Percy, I wonder what the inscribed date of 27.7.1916 represents? The inscription presumably dates to after his death, and after the medal was sent to his NoK on 13 11.1918? Regards Chris That's the date of the entry in the Gazette. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clk Posted 2 December , 2021 Share Posted 2 December , 2021 Thanks Stevie. I should have realised - DOH! . So the time line would appear to be... Awarded his MC for his actions on 1/2..6.1916... The MC index card suggests that the award was originally announced in the LG of 24.6.1916 (I haven't followed that up though), with the citation being published on 27.7.1916. At the start of June 1916 the 6th Infantry Brigade HQ war diary says that they were based at/near CARENCY, so I guess that's the place name in the blurred image above.. What I am left thinking is that as Carency and Deville Wood appear to be about 30 miles apart is that the paper slip with medal may be somewhat misleading. Regards Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevie Posted 3 December , 2021 Share Posted 3 December , 2021 12 hours ago, clk said: Thanks Stevie. I should have realised - DOH! . So the time line would appear to be... Awarded his MC for his actions on 1/2..6.1916... The MC index card suggests that the award was originally announced in the LG of 24.6.1916 (I haven't followed that up though), with the citation being published on 27.7.1916. At the start of June 1916 the 6th Infantry Brigade HQ war diary says that they were based at/near CARENCY, so I guess that's the place name in the blurred image above.. What I am left thinking is that as Carency and Deville Wood appear to be about 30 miles apart is that the paper slip with medal may be somewhat misleading. Regards Chris I wouldn't place my trust in a handwritten slip that looks as though it was done years after the event. You need something much more concrete to rely upon - such as the citation I have with my medal. Cheers, Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedawnpatrol Posted 6 December , 2021 Author Share Posted 6 December , 2021 On 02/12/2021 at 11:34, thedawnpatrol said: no, don't think so, to be honest i have inherited a vast amount of WW1 / WW2 material and there could still well be provenance lurking in the piles of ephemera still to go through................. Well, just found the named pair to Dickinson both named to him as RAF ......they were in a separate box! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 7 December , 2021 Share Posted 7 December , 2021 (edited) MIC shows later RFC/RAF https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/1262/images/30850_A000445-00253?usePUB=true&_phsrc=AHE17973&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=4039381 Edited 7 December , 2021 by Ivor Anderson Additional information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 7 December , 2021 Share Posted 7 December , 2021 (edited) Can I ask who the MM in the first photo was awarded to please? Edited 7 December , 2021 by Ivor Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 8 December , 2021 Share Posted 8 December , 2021 19 hours ago, Ivor Anderson said: Can I ask who the MM in the first photo was awarded to please? I presumed it was this thread? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivor Anderson Posted 8 December , 2021 Share Posted 8 December , 2021 (edited) Thanks Charlie - very likely. Charles O'Brien Dickinson is mentioned in the University of London OTC War Service Roll pp. 113 & 239: https://www.ancestry.co.uk/imageviewer/collections/2896/images/40584_606246_0912-00128?usePUB=true&_phsrc=AHE17979&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&pId=9576 Edited 8 December , 2021 by Ivor Anderson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlie962 Posted 8 December , 2021 Share Posted 8 December , 2021 29 minutes ago, Ivor Anderson said: Charles O'Brien Dickinson is mentioned There are several other useful documents relating to Dickinson's overall service but I've not posted/linked them as they were not required by OP (?) and I found the thread getting complicated switching between two unrelated men! charlie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedawnpatrol Posted 9 December , 2021 Author Share Posted 9 December , 2021 Thank you Charlie, yes sorry about the complication, I'll separate inquiries in future. thank you to everyone who has really helped with both men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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