An unusual (89b): IARO List for 2Lt James Bremner Henderson (later OBE; Civ: 1889-1969)

[Kimberley John Lindsay]

Dear Diane,

Thanks for righting the document for easier reading! I am not Computer-savvie (born 1944). Thanks also for "having a go!"

Dear Alf,

Thanks for looking, in true GWF manner: much appreciated!

'Exforce ???dit' (?) Tricky!

Kindest regards,

Kim.

[Mark1959]

I am looking at the other papers. This showed he left Devonpotrt on 5/11/15. getting to Mudros on the 18/11 ad Gallipoli on 20/11. So the statement seems to cover his potential period in Gallipoli before moving to Basrah. The entries all seem to be by the same hand. Unfortunately translation is not helped by the lack of similar shaped letter or that the entry below obscures the middle of the second word. I think the second word could be duties. I did think the first word could be latrine but I do not think so  - maybe carrier

Edited 17 October , 2021 by Mark1959

[Kimberley John Lindsay]

Dear Mark,

'Carrier duty/duties' (?)

Courier, perhaps? (So that it makes sense.)

Kindest regards,

Kim.

[Mark1959]

Yes that my be it. Courier sounds more likely, Reading one of other forms records for this period for him are thin on the ground. So just put in a catch-all phrase??

[Kimberley John Lindsay]

Dear Mark,

Quite so.

I take great solace in the fact that J. B. Henderson has researched far better than several of my rather more important Officer groups.

Henderson (son of a poor Scottish crofter), coming from the unfairly looked-down upon ASC (note RAMC was originally pencilled-in - and 'Clerk' and 'over-30' are emphasised), and latterly joining the eminently useful Indian Army Reserve of Officers attd. the exotic but similarly un-Posh Arab Labour Corps, makes for an interesting aspect of the Great War.

Kindest regards,

Kim.

[corisande]

I have no idea what it says (it might say Mudros, and should say MEF but does not seem to), but clearly he was in Galipoli , if you compare the relevant pasts of his service record

Edited 17 October , 2021 by corisande

[Kimberley John Lindsay]

Dear corisande,

Thank you for your most welcome Insight.

Kindest regards,

Kim.Coatbridge Leader 31 Oct 1936 Gallipoli speech.pdf

[alf mcm]

Kim,

  If he was with 13th Divisional Train from 20/11/15, then their war diary may help. Unfortunately I can't find it.

Regards,

Alf McM

[DavidOwen]

Is it in here? https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14052684

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14052685

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14052686

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C14052687

[alf mcm]

Thanks David,

  Unfortunately the links are for 1 Division Train {which includes 13 Company A.S.C.}. I am looking for 13 Division Train. According to LLT the divisional train did not sail for Gallipoli but sailed for Egypt in 1915, and joined 28th Division. It looks as if there is no war diary for 13 Divisional Train.

Regards,

Alf McM

[DavidOwen]

1 hour ago, alf mcm said:

Thanks David,

  Unfortunately the links are for 1 Division Train {which includes 13 Company A.S.C.}. I am looking for 13 Division Train. According to LLT the divisional train did not sail for Gallipoli but sailed for Egypt in 1915, and joined 28th Division. It looks as if there is no war diary for 13 Divisional Train.

Regards,

Alf McM

My mistake, missed the Companies bit!

[DavidOwen]

This may not be it either https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/69647f4ab2cc4ee4bcb9fcb68063c10c

[alf mcm]

Afraid not David,

  I downloaded it anyway since I have just been reading about Mule Trains in 'For the Honour of My House - The Contribution of the Indian Princely Statesto the First World War' by Tony McLenachan. It's an extremely interesting book.

Regards,

Alf McM

[DavidOwen]

Thought not...

[Kimberley John Lindsay]

Dear David and Alf,

I greatly appreciate your searching, researching, and simply making the effort. Super!

Perhaps an ASC of the likes of Pte Henderson, Clerk, was simply asked for - and sent...

Kindest regards,

Kim.

[DavidOwen]

I have found the diaries of two ASC Companies in 13 Division if they may be any use?

[Kimberley John Lindsay]

Dear David,

Indeed, yes, please...!

Kindest regards,

Kim.

[DavidOwen]

217 https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/09dc6ba07b634b83873b8a73a141a95a

218 https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/49849cf1d36e40da857bc9dc1edd88eb

219 https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/ea0046a4da074f559176835bdbbbc44a

[Kimberley John Lindsay]

Dear All,

These two  - Buckingham and Henderson - must have known each other!

Can anybody tell the Forum something about the 13th Field Bakery ASC (apparently at Mudros), please?

Kindest regards,

Kim.

[alf mcm]

Kim,

  Their war diary is very short, only 2 pages.

Images courtesy of Ancestry.

Regards,

Alf McM

 

[Kimberley John Lindsay]

Dear Alf,

I am extremely grateful for this - my Melbourne Mate (Noel) is making some Flank Attack research to check if Henderson was really serving on Gallipoli.

Kindest regards,

Kim.

[Kimberley John Lindsay]

Dear All,

Here is what the illigible line under 'Home' may signify:-

Pens (Peninsular) Ex (Expeditionary) Force Duties - 4.11.1915 to 13.2.1916

Kindest regards,

Kim.

 

[Kimberley John Lindsay]

Dear All,

What is the meaning of 'a common five-eighths'...?

I am working on my MSS about the Life of the erstwhile ASC Pte., and IARO 2nd Lieutenant J. B. Henderson, and need help to translate that expression (which was obviously well understood in those days, but today)...? 

James Bremner Henderson never glossed over his modest beginnings. For example, during a post-Great War political speech, he frankly stated that he was, ‘just a common five-eighths’. Furthermore, that he was born on a little ‘croft’ two miles from John O’Groats (the most northerly part of Scotland), where his ‘humble crofter father eked out a livelihood’, this being added to by some deep sea fishing...

Kindest regards,

Kim.

[alf mcm]

Kim,

   A common five-eights seeems to mean an ordinary working man, working five days a week, 8 hours a day.

Regards,

Alf McM

[Kimberley John Lindsay]

Dear Alf,

Many thanks!

That makes sense, and I can now modify my Henderson MSS accordingly. Super!

Kindest regards,

Kim.

Edited 28 October , 2021 by Kimberley John Lindsay