Rafal1971 Posted 17 June , 2021 Share Posted 17 June , 2021 Question in topic Best regards Rafal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awjdthumper Posted 17 June , 2021 Share Posted 17 June , 2021 I believe the DA marked Ross rifles and bayonets were exchanged for SMLE's from Great Britain who issued them to the Navy or Royal Marines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4thGordons Posted 17 June , 2021 Share Posted 17 June , 2021 6 minutes ago, awjdthumper said: I believe the DA marked Ross rifles and bayonets were exchanged for SMLE's from Great Britain who issued them to the Navy or Royal Marines. and more importantly were later supplied to CHILE as part of the rifle complement on HMS Canada - it was Chile that added the DA number SEE DETAILS HERE Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rafal1971 Posted 17 June , 2021 Author Share Posted 17 June , 2021 Thanks for information Rafal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van doos Posted 14 April Share Posted 14 April Very interesting presentation Old Sweats ,I find it interesting because I happen to have the following number D.A.50. Ross bayonets are part of my main military collection , all the way down to trench combat and hunting knifes ! I was lucky enough to find one H.K. all buffed out except for a no 1 on the metal of the right hand side pommel followed by two empty spaces and a dot at the end. Looking more closely I spotted a small R near the dot this abbreviation I believe stands for 1 WOR to be for Western Ontario Regiment , this knife would be a witness of the first rare Canadian regiment & Battalion bayonet to embark for WW1 with their militia Ross rifles and bayonet 1905 Mk1 (armement being quite scarce at the time ) they fought at Ypres in France in 1915 Van Doos, Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrylee Posted 14 April Share Posted 14 April HMS Canada and later as the Chilean battleship Almirante Litorre with another of her bayonets and its rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shippingsteel Posted 14 April Share Posted 14 April 7 hours ago, van doos said: Looking more closely I spotted a small R near the dot this abbreviation I believe stands for 1 WOR to be for Western Ontario Regiment , this knife would be a witness of the first rare Canadian regiment & Battalion bayonet to embark for WW1 with their militia Ross rifles and bayonet 1905 Mk1 (armement being quite scarce at the time ) they fought at Ypres in France in 1915. Yes this is possible but unlikely in my opinion. I also have a Ross bayonet relatively cleanly stamped with the 1WOR on the timber grip. Of course I did the research and found that it COULD be for the 1st Battalion, CEF (Western Ontario Regiment) but further study revealed that it was also the marking of the DEPOT in their home District, so quite a lot of gear would have been marked like that. I will have to see if I can dig out that info again. Cheers, SS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shippingsteel Posted 14 April Share Posted 14 April Here is a little more information on the WOR possibilities. Canada at the time was divided into Military Districts with MD.1 being Western Ontario (see link for illustration) https://www.canadiansoldiers.com/organization/districts.htm Later in the war the 1st Depot Battalion, Western Ontario Regiment was established to handle the training of troops. These drafts of men were then sent on to England ending up as reinforcements to the front line Battalions. https://mccofc.ca/WWI-CEF-Badges/P10-Res-Garrison-Battalions-in-Canada.pdf Cheers, SS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shippingsteel Posted 14 April Share Posted 14 April (edited) Found the old photos of my 1WOR marked bayonet. She's certainly been around this one ... Cheers, SS PS. Also appears to have spent quite a bit of its life attached to a rifle. Note the difference in level of corrosion/patina at point of attachment over the pommel. Edited 14 April by shippingsteel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van doos Posted 15 April Share Posted 15 April Thanks for all pic. and replies ,interesting and appreciated to all of you ! I included pictures of the hunting knife in question to assist the Forum for the analyst . The left side bears not one but two release markings on this 1908 broad arrow (early issue) The right hand side of the pommel with an unusual marking of 1 . (two empty spaces and a dot at the end . Upon looking at the dot closely one can see traces of a small R when held at an angle ! (WOR.) This different marking seems to differ from what was standard issue at the depot . Was this applied for overseas , or officers etc. One thing for sure , multiple diff. markings were implemented possibility for overseas ? A rare mystery ! Thanks again for your help in this matter Bob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattr82 Posted 16 April Share Posted 16 April Not commonly seen the C with the two arrows inside. I have the same stamp on one of my rifles. Really nice bayonet you have mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shippingsteel Posted 16 April Share Posted 16 April (edited) The C^ stamps on the pommel are the official Canadian Sale mark denoting sold from government use/service. I don't believe your bayonets 1. marking has anything to do with the CEF battalions in my opinion. Canadian practice was to stamp unit information into the woodwork of their weapons. This can be found on the buttstocks of their rifles and the timber grips of their bayonets. My bayonet shown above is a good example of this style of markings, because it was actually done at that time. Just wondering but I don't even think the P1908 bayonet was front line issue at the time the CEF was being put together. Will have to check but I think the newer Mk.III Ross rifle (which fitted the different P1911 bayonet) was the current service rifle at start of the war. This would rule your bayonet out of any possible CEF markings altogether. PS. Checked and yes that is correct your bayonet is the wrong model ... Cheers, SS Edited 16 April by shippingsteel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van doos Posted 16 April Share Posted 16 April Thanks , shipping steel The Broad arrow alone by itself (without being in a C , indicate that the original bayonet now this knife ) was issued in the month of may and June of 1908 , you could be right also , ( it could have been made for the militia just B-4 WW1 ? This is part of the fascinating world of the Ross Bayonet ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shippingsteel Posted 16 April Share Posted 16 April Many stamps on your bayonet have been worn off and are mostly illegible. The 08 that is visible is the Pattern number of your bayonet - P1908. This is the first type of Ross bayonet they made, to suit the Ross Mk.II rifle. You will find issue dates on these mostly from 1909. Shown below is what your pommel markings should normally look like. Cheers, SS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van doos Posted 17 April Share Posted 17 April Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattr82 Posted 17 April Share Posted 17 April That looks like a good book! I definitely want a copy of The Ross Rifle Story which is about to have another reprint I’ve been told. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van doos Posted 17 April Share Posted 17 April Mattr82, You will love it , book's have been a great help to all Ross bayonet collectors ,I have found another scarce variety that I will post to assist all my fellow military collector to help in anyway I can my regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattr82 Posted 17 April Share Posted 17 April I emailed one of the authors about 3 months ago and he said they were going to do a reprint but time unknown at this point. I got a Ross Mk.III rifle last year and its a rifle I have wanted for a long time and they aren't often seen in Australia. A bayonet for it is on my watchlist. Really appreciate you showing us this bayonet mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van doos Posted 17 April Share Posted 17 April I've been told that the book is being printed in the States when they reach a certain total justifying a second print. They are quite scarce in Canada also and seem to have many varieties that you will discover at a time that many military collectors are discovering some of the fines example even in the small cut down bayonet are surfer sing One thing we need is patience in military !Sometime its not the cost of an item thats important like finding it ! Regards Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van doos Posted 17 April Share Posted 17 April In answer to Shippingsteel . As you can see these are not buffs and are quite scarce if not rare (very hard to find ) I have turned down several offers as so many others . They are probably twice as hard in Australia . Hoping this will help , as The 5-1909 and 6-1909 ( May and June) were marked as is , only the 7-1909 (July ) carries the /\ arrow in the C and from that date on to today became the standard acceptance for the Canadian marking Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navydoc16 Posted Wednesday at 11:19 Share Posted Wednesday at 11:19 On 17/04/2024 at 22:55, van doos said: Mattr82, You will love it , book's have been a great help to all Ross bayonet collectors ,I have found another scarce variety that I will post to assist all my fellow military collector to help in anyway I can my regards Any news on the reprint, I had to buy an original unfortunately, kind regards g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattr82 Posted Thursday at 00:35 Share Posted Thursday at 00:35 13 hours ago, navydoc16 said: Any news on the reprint, I had to buy an original unfortunately, kind regards g Not yet. They said once they reached a certain number of orders, that would justify their reprint of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navydoc16 Posted Thursday at 01:19 Share Posted Thursday at 01:19 @Mattr82 bummer, any idea how many more they need? kind regards g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van doos Posted Thursday at 12:06 Share Posted Thursday at 12:06 Hi , Unfortunately not ! A bit sad indeed ! Maybe if 3 or 4 collectors in Australia would buy a printing package lot at a special price with exclusivity and distribution at your end , I'm at a lost to help you out , Very sorry here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
van doos Posted Thursday at 12:12 Share Posted Thursday at 12:12 Just now, van doos said: Hi , Unfortunately not ! A bit sad indeed ! Maybe if 3 or 4 collectors in Australia would buy a printing package lot at a special price with exclusivity and distribution at your end , I'm at a lost to help you out , Very sorry here Navydoc 16 Very difficult to establish a contact, will get back to both of you if I can , Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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