Forecastle of Cruiser pic any way of telling which one

[arantxa]

I’ve been given a whole bunch of postcards photos of G W Frankish killed at Jutland I don’t know much about Navy this was in with them so all cruisers look the same on deck 

hecwas killed on Malaya but also a lot of pictures of Hms Bulwark 

one pic has cap tally of Hms Spartiatt? Maybe it was a brother

also Hms dreadnought 

thanks for any help on the senior service 

[KizmeRD]

It has the look of an old Cressy Class cruiser.
The postcard is signed ‘A. Butler’ postmark 1917, so presumably a photo of a ship that he was on. 

Obviously knew the family well, and he sent the card from Withernsea (Yorkshire coast), so was he a resident of the town?

Only a guess, but maybe it is HMS Sutlej.

MB

Edited 27 February , 2021 by KizmeRD

[RNCVR]

Looks like a nice bundle of photos. Could you post more of the ratings(sailors), specifically any that show close up shots, it might be possible to read one of their cap ribbons.  I tried enlarging the group photo but could not make out ship's name.

[KizmeRD]

Ord.Sea. George William Noel Frankish J47684 had only been in the navy less than six months before his untimely death.

HMS Malaya was his first sea draft.

MB

[arantxa]

[arantxa]

There are some others but think this gives the flavour they all came together 

[RNCVR]

The only ship name cap ribbon I am able to read is HMS SPARTIATE, 1st cl Cruiser of 1898.  The photo where the seated ratings are peeling potatoes(?) for dinner.

Appears to be a very nice varied lot of photos.

[RNCVR]

The first photo in the second lot, young rating standing alone, cap ribbon appears to be HMS VICTORY.

Likely completed his basic Boy training & awaiting his first sea draft.

[KizmeRD]

But not the foc’sle of HMS Spartiate - as Diadem class cruisers were fitted with two single 6” gun mounts forward, offset to port and starboard (not a lone centreline single).

MB

[arantxa]

the chap on his own says on back g ew frankish killed 31.5.1916 hms malaya

[RNCVR]

Could well be him then... have you checked bis ADM 188 (Service sheet)?

[arantxa]

No I haven’t but as it came with the Malaya memorial etc I guessed it matched up

[KizmeRD]

54 minutes ago, arantxa said:

No I haven’t but as it came with the Malaya memorial etc I guessed it matched up

 

ADM-188-742-47684.pdf

[RNCVR]

I guess no real point in that as KizmeRD  mentioned in his post above Malaya was likely his first & only sea service.

Another very young life cut short unfortunately.

 

edit - thanks for posting Frankish ADM188 Kiz....we were both typing at same time.

Edited 27 February , 2021 by RNCVR
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[arantxa]

thanks

thats why he has the victory cap then

Thanks

[arantxa]

Thank you all for your help

Much appreciated

[RNCVR]

He would have taken his initial training on HMS Victory as he was there 10 Dec 1915 until 3 Mar 1916.

[Tonyb]

Looks like Cressy class, in which case, it has to be Sutlej, Baccante or Euralus as the other three in this class were sunk in 1914. 

[MikB]

Looking at the size of the 'ole in the gun muzzle compared to the sailors' heads, it looks bigger than 6" - probably 9.2". 

 

I too would guess Cressy, or perhaps Powerful class, though maybe not enough bridge windows for the latter. Gun mounting doesn't really look deep enough either - maybe foreshortening. So many of these things, all lookin' the same... 

Edited 27 February , 2021 by MikB

[KizmeRD]

The Cressy class cruisers had two 9.2” guns, one fwd, one aft, in addition to an array of (12) 6” guns, therefore happy to stick with my original guess - foc’sle of HMS SUTLEJ.

MB

 

[seaJane]

SUTLEJ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HMS_Sutlej_(1899)

 

[Tonyb]

Curious why you pick Sutlej vs Bacchante? Record of service seems to favor  Bacchante. But who knows?

[KizmeRD]

6 hours ago, Tonyb said:

Curious why you pick Sutlej vs Bacchante? Record of service seems to favor  Bacchante. But who knows?

The original postcard is franked with a 1917 date and sent from an address in the UK.

At that time HMS Baccante was flagshp of the 9th cruiser squadron patrolling the African Coast.

MB

[wallace2]

Second photo is the group shows a group of sailors in working rig with a Warrant Officer.  The rating to the right of the WO has a cap ribbon which, I believe, is RN Anchor VR.

 

Photo later on of a modern battlecruiser is of Renown or Repulse.

[RNCVR]

Not certain how the various posters who have contributed to this topic feel,

but I would love to see you post more of these superb photos Arantxa.