Military Men in Broadmoor Asylum in 1939

[IPT]

As part of something else, i've listed the men that were inmates in Broadmoor in 1939, and that have military service noted.  Apart from some younger men, the majority of them served in WW1, or committed their crimes during that period.

 

So far, i'm missing Kenny, Newman, Bailey, Dumphy, Poole, Pilkington and Webb, if anyone can identify them.

 

Forenames	Surname	D.O.B	Occupation	No.	Service	Notes
John McQueen	Sealy	26/7/1879	Soldier	Captain	RFA	Attempted to murder asylum doctor in 1914
Thomas Joseph	McDonough	25/8/1886	Soldier			Murdered Sgt C.C. Mant with a rifle at Tregantle 1917
Robert Lockhart	Porteous	14/10/1877	Sub Lt, RN	Sub Lt	Royal Naval Reserve	Murder and attempted murder 1917
James	Kenny	1882	Soldier
Terence Arthur	King	28/5/1896	Soldier	L14583	Royal Field Artillery	Murdered grandmother by stabbing in 1918. Unfit to plead
Michael Alick	Sullivan	02/11/1861	Soldier	Sgt	Royal Defence Corps	Murdered Sgt McDonald with a rifle in a Newport gymnasium 1919
Sidney Stewart	Hume	1886	Lieut RAF	Lieutenant	RAF	Murdered Private Aldridge at Latchmere House in 1918
William J	Newman	8/3/1885	Soldier
George W	Herdman	24/9/1892	Soldier	12529	Coldstream Guards	Murdered sweetheart Margaret Pickford with rifle 28/12/1915
Charles	Bage	5/12/1877	Soldier	34883	ASC	Murdered Dvr C Spencer with rifle butt July 1917
Thomas	Bailey	7/10/1886	Soldier
John	Dumphy	22/1/1862	Soldier
James	Poole	1884	Soldier
Henry George	Harrison	11/7/1882	Soldier		Royal Engineers	Attempted murder of mother 1913 at Gravesend
John	McRobie	21/7/1892	Pensioner	4849832	Leicestershire Regiment	Formerly 9167, 50083??  At Glen Parva Barracks 1921?
Robert	Swan	31/08/1906	Soldier	Pte	Northumberland Fusiliers	Attempted murder with stone to head at Whitley Bay in June 1927
William	Pilkington	7/10/1871	Soldier	612657	Royal Engineers
Alfred John	Humphries	3/1/1876	Soldier	L/3561	12th Lancers WW1	Murdered wife by cutting throat at Hendon in 1931
Eric William	Millard	14/9/1897	Bandsman	2069	Royal Marines	Murdered wife by cutting her throat in Fowey, Cornwall in 1932
James Thomas	Collins	29/04/1906	Soldier	Pte	2nd East Kent	Murdered a daughter, mother and grandmother in Challock 1932
Peter	O'Neill	27/5/1880	Soldier	6891	K.O. Royal Lancs WW1	Murdered wife in Otley 1933
Marinus Jensen	Christensen	13/5/1888	Motor Fitter	18884	RASC (1908-1932)	Attempted murder and attempted suicide at RASC depot Feltham 1935
George William	Green	08/02/1905	Royal Marines	PLY/21500	Royal Marines	Murdered neighbour's baby in Wallasey in 1937
Frank Arthur	Hart	14/6/1884	Commercial Traveller	351267	CPO, Royal Navy	Murdered wife and niece in Ilford in 1937
James	Webb	17/8/1897	Soldier
Arthur Edward	Woodman	13/01/1908	Soldier	Pte	Border Regiment	Murdered mother with dagger in Portsmouth in 1938
Harry	Bagguley	29/7/1875	Soldier Pensioner	5060/2 Lt	Lancashire Fusiliers WW1	Shot wife with revolver 1928
Arthur	Noden	15/01/1915	Soldier	Pte	2nd Cheshire	Shot a bricklayer at Maida Barracks in 1939

Edited 20 October , 2020 by IPT

[alf mcm]

This could be John Dumph{e}y.  https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1114&h=311361&tid=&pid=&queryId=7781ed046da0f657005fd7257785b133&usePUB=true&_phsrc=pEt4382&_phstart=successSource

 

Regards,

 

Alf McM

[David_Underdown]

Sidney Stewart Hume caught my eye due to the location of his crime, Latchmere House, very close to where I'm currently sitting. The house was used as a hospital for the treatment of shell shock during the First World War, but is perhaps better known for it's Second World War use as an interrogation centre for captured German agents (and members of the British Union of Fascists). Subsequently a Young Offenders' Institution, immigration detention centre and open prison, the site has now been redeveloped as housing (with the original house turned into apartments_. Hume was a POW from May 1915, held at Douai, Karlsruhe, Freiburg, Holzminden, Limburg and Breslau, he was repatriated in August 1918. In Breslau he was in a "Nerven-Klinik", and his ICRC card also states "Maladie des nerfs".

 

According to user submitted information in Lives of the First World War he eventually died at the Priory, Roehampton, on 20 September 1984 (bronchopneumonia, senile dementia and chronic schizophrenia), this was sourced from https://www.ww1cemeteries.com/murder-at-latchmere-house.html. He was born in Buenos Aires, Argentina, and was living at Abbey Wood, St John's Wood when commissioned, the home of his mother Marie (as recorded in the POW records).

[IPT]

2 hours ago, alf mcm said:

This could be John Dumph{e}y.  https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1114&h=311361&tid=&pid=&queryId=7781ed046da0f657005fd7257785b133&usePUB=true&_phsrc=pEt4382&_phstart=successSource

 

Regards,

 

Alf McM

 

I'm on FMP at the moment. Is that 7791, A&SH, discharged October 1917?  He looks a good candidate, and may possibly have had a chequered past, but I can't find a newspaper report yet.

[IPT]

1 hour ago, David_Underdown said:

Sidney Stewart Hume caught my eye due to the location of his crime, Latchmere House, very close to where I'm currently sitting. The house was used as a hospital for the treatment of shell shock during the First World War, but is perhaps better known for it's Second World War use as an interrogation centre for captured German agents (and members of the British Union of Fascists). Subsequently a Young Offenders' Institution, immigration detention centre and open prison, the site has now been redeveloped as housing (with the original house turned into apartments_. Hume was a POW from May 1915, held at Douai, Karlsruhe, Freiburg, Holzminden, Limburg and Breslau, he was repatriated in August 1918. In Breslau he was in a "Nerven-Klinik", and his ICRC card also states "Maladie des nerfs".

 

According to user submitted information in Lives of the First World War he eventually died at the Priory, Roehampton, on 20 September 1984 (bronchopneumonia, senile dementia and chronic schizophrenia), this was sourced from https://www.ww1cemeteries.com/murder-at-latchmere-house.html. He was born in Buenos Aires, Argentina, and was living at Abbey Wood, St John's Wood when commissioned, the home of his mother Marie (as recorded in the POW records).

 

Yes, I think he was the only patient on the list that I had heard of, as he's been mentioned on the forum.  A very sad case.

[rolt968]

I think I have come across Robert Lockhart Porteous before when I was looking for someone else in the RNR Engineer Officers records at TNA some years ago. I can remember being distracted from my search to look at it. He was a temporary engineer sub-lieutenant RNR (24 May 1916). The murder and attempted murder seem to have taken place in Malta (or at least the jurisdiction of the authorities in Malta),

His RNR record is here:

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FADM240%2F45%2F0082&parentid=GBM%2FADM240%2F009745

He died in Broadmoor in 1958.

There is a pension card here:

https://www.fold3.com/image/689343961

I am wondering about being a little tactful as there is an ancestry tree which "thinks" that he died in 1925.

RM

[IPT]

53 minutes ago, rolt968 said:

The murder and attempted murder seem to have taken place in Malta (or at least the jurisdiction of the authorities in Malta),

His RNR record is here:

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=GBM%2FADM240%2F45%2F0082&parentid=GBM%2FADM240%2F009745

 

Thanks for that.  The record appears to suggest that the incident happened between 21/1/1917 and 23/2/1917, possibly in the Malta hospital. 

[rolt968]

29 minutes ago, IPT said:

 

Thanks for that.  The record appears to suggest that the incident happened between 21/1/1917 and 23/2/1917, possibly in the Malta hospital. 

Can you make out the line which is scored out?

"1/17 Victory for ???? ????, Portsmouth when fit"

 

He is on a number of pre-war merchant ship crew lists

RM

[Dai Bach y Sowldiwr]

Sidney Hume's death registration in 1984 gives his date of birth as 01/09/1886 (1885 on the Latchmere House site):

HUME

SIDNEY STUART

1SE1886

WANDSWORTH

15

1126

Edited 21 October , 2020 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr

[rolt968]

John McQueen Sealy

This is the newspaper report of the 1914 incident.

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/viewarticle?id=bl%2f0000511%2f19141127%2f050&stringtohighlight=john mcqueen sealy

 

The account in findagrave is not accurate, but perhaps the attack on his wife was the reason for his being committed in the first place.

https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/192933175/john-mcqueen-sealy

 

He died in Broadmoor in 1954

RM

[ajsmith]

11 hours ago, alf mcm said:

This could be John Dumph{e}y.  https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=1114&h=311361&tid=&pid=&queryId=7781ed046da0f657005fd7257785b133&usePUB=true&_phsrc=pEt4382&_phstart=successSource

 

Regards,

The man in Broadmoor was born in India I believe, He appears in censuses in both Parkhurst and Portland prisons.

[rolt968]

Eric William Mallard's Marine record is here:

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7799394

 

He died in Bristol in 1970.

 

A detailed account of what happened.

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/viewarticle?id=bl%2f0002820%2f19321110%2f111&stringtohighlight=murder fowey

 

He had been discharged from the Royal Marines as no longer physically fit enough at the beginning of October 1932.

 

Edited to add information.

Edited 21 October , 2020 by rolt968

[RaySearching]

612657 Pilkington has surviving service papers on Ancestry  which should also be available on FMP 

 

He also has a WFA pension doc which lists his disabilities as malaria and mental instability 

 

 

 

Ray

 

if  he went on to commit a serious criminal offence it would have been  after  being  discharged from service

 

[IPT]

1 hour ago, ajsmith said:

The man in Broadmoor was born in India I believe, He appears in censuses in both Parkhurst and Portland prisons.

 

That must be John Dumphy, born 22/1/1862, son of William, Drum Major, 83rd Regiment, and Alice.

1871 - Boarding in Newcastle, aged 9

1881 - Can't find

1891 - A soldier, in Portland Prison, aged 29

1901 - A plasterer, in Parkhurst Prison, aged 39

1911 - Can't find

Crime - can't find

1939 - In Broadmoor.

1940 - Death registered in Windsor

 

Is this our lad in 1888?

 

 

 

 

[rolt968]

2 hours ago, rolt968 said:

Eric William Mallard's Marine record is here:

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7799394

 

He died in Bristol in 1970.

 

A detailed account of what happened.

https://search.findmypast.co.uk/bna/viewarticle?id=bl%2f0002820%2f19321110%2f111&stringtohighlight=murder fowey

 

He had been discharged from the Royal Marines as no longer physically fit enough at the beginning of October 1932.

 

Edited to add information.

Apologies I have drifted into giving you the men you have already found.

RM

[IPT]

2 hours ago, RaySearching said:

if  he went on to commit a serious criminal offence it would have been after  being  discharged from service

 

Yes, he was described as a 'soldier pensioner', but no other occupation.  The person completing the form had entered the regiment and service number in the right hand column, as you sometimes see on the 1939 register.  Interesting to see from the record that he was suffering from mental instability during service. Also malaria, which was mentioned in a recent thread about a former Broadmoor inmate, as a possible cause of his mental health problems.

[The Scorer]

Do you (or anyone) know any more about Sgt Michael Alick Sullivan of the Royal Defence Corps, who murdered Sgt McDonald with a rifle in a Newport Gymnasium in 1919, please? 

 

I ask because I'm from Newport, South Wales, and I wondered whether it is in the same Newport and, if so, what it was all about?

 

Thanks. 

[IPT]

1 hour ago, The Scorer said:

Do you (or anyone) know any more about Sgt Michael Alick Sullivan of the Royal Defence Corps, who murdered Sgt McDonald with a rifle in a Newport Gymnasium in 1919, please?

 

 

It was Newport, Monmouthshire.

 

 

(FMP)

 

He was originally condemned to death, but was subsequently reprieved. was removed from Usk Prison to Broadmoor Criminal Lunatic Asylum on 17th Feb 1919.

 

Edited 22 October , 2020 by IPT

[Dai Bach y Sowldiwr]

Interesting press cuttings.

For 'Athletic' read 'Rugby'.

For 'Football' read 'Rugby'.

The gymnasium at Rodney Parade then?

 

Lots of press references freely available on Welsh Newspapers Online:

https://newspapers.library.wales/search?alt=full_text%3A"sullivan"+AND+full_text%3A"newport"&range[min]=1919-1-01T00%3A00%3A00Z&range[max]=1919-12-31T00%3A00%3A00Z

Edited 22 October , 2020 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr

[RaySearching]

 

On 20/10/2020 at 23:20, IPT said:

Thomas Joseph McDonough 25/8/1886 Soldier

 

Small correction to list

Service papers show this soldier to be  Thomas Joseph McDonald

 

 

images courtesy of Ancestry

Edited 22 October , 2020 by RaySearching

[IPT]

32 minutes ago, RaySearching said:

Small correction to list

Service papers show this soldier to be  Thomas Joseph McDonald

 

 

Nice find.  That's interesting because he was reported as being named McDonough, and that's also his name on the 1939 register.

 

 

On the 1911 census, there's a 25 year old Thomas McDonough, born Sligo, living with his brother James Mick McDonough in Richmond, Yorkshire.

(FMP)

Edited 22 October , 2020 by IPT

[The Scorer]

2 hours ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said:

Interesting press cuttings.

For 'Athletic' read 'Rugby'.

For 'Football' read 'Rugby'.

The gymnasium at Rodney Parade then?

 

 

Thanks, everyone for these comments - it is "My" Newport, and it's certainly something that I've never heard of in any of the club's history books!

 

Incidentally, Dai, the references to "Athletic" would have been correct at the time. Newport Athletic Club was the parent organisation of a large number of sections - Rugby (or Football as it was then called); Cricket, Hockey (Mens and Ladies), Tennis, Bowls and a few more. There was also a Gymnasium Section, and this would have been based in the old Gymnasium, which was on the site of what later became the Rodney Hall and the Clubhouse, now both sadly closed. This would have been the site of the shooting; the grounds were used during the war by the forces.

 

I wonder whether any of my colleagues in the club who have been working on the history know about it - I'll have to ask them. 

[T, Fazzini]

The former Broadmoor Inmate 

https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/285392-tsub-lt-allan-newsome-bushill-a-tragic-tale/page/2/

 

Were the other inmates stationed in India and treated for Malaria?

[RaySearching]

Just wondering if any of the soldiers on IPT s  list 

were trained in the following regiment found on Ancestry

 

[IPT]

I've found William James Newman, Eastwell Drive, Devizes. Joined the Hampshire Regiment as 35078 in February 1917 and was in the BEF from March 1917 to August 1919 then transferred to Labour Corps 20/3/1919 as 106492.  

 

Hospitalised with mania at Wimeraux in August 1919. Discharged 30/5/1920. Melancholia. 

 

(FMP)

 

In June 1919 he had overstayed his leave and lost his kit. By August 1919 he had been hospitalised. There is talk of a GCM in France in July 1919, and a report that doesn't appear to have survived.  Still none the wiser regarding his crime.

 

 

 

Edited 22 October , 2020 by IPT