Looking for my great grandfather who is not listed but did not come back from mendi

[fammodishane]

His names were frans ntai mampane or tisane.

 

He also went by the name magoro.

Edited 30 July , 2019 by ss002d6252
Link removed and post edited

[ss002d6252]

Can you provide any more information regarding your query ?

 

Craig

[keithmroberts]

here's a link to a list of SS Mendi casualties  https://www.geni.com/projects/South-African-Soldiers-who-sank-with-the-SS-Mendi-in-WWI/48098

 

I can't see the names you have posted,but you might try browsing the list.

[fammodishane]

His names were frans ntai Magori mampane or Tisane from then northern transvaal now limpopo in the to same village sekhukhune area in the republic of south africa

[RaySearching]

There is a previous thread on the sinking of the s.s Mendi on The Great War Forum HERE

which may be of interest

 

 

Ray 

[DavidOwen]

When was your Grandfather born?

 

When did he serve and with which unit?

[George Rayner]

Ancestry have one hit for a surname of Tisane-sorry uncertain of correct naming conventions that may be used-

Name:	B Tisane
Military Date:	1915 - 1919
Military Place:	Cape, South Africa
Attestation Date:	13 Sep 1918
Rank or Designation:	Private
Number:	5600
Additional Information:	Rejected, 17 September 1918
Collection:	Cape Corps 1st Battalion, 1915 - 1919

https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=60894&h=72815&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Yiy21381&_phstart=successSource

 

Trying to see if a link between Cape Corps and SS Mendi

No obvious link and it appears I am barking up the wrong tree as to profession.

 

George

 

Edited 31 July , 2019 by George Rayner

[fammodishane]

This looks like a best match so far. can we find any more info like where was he from exactly, maybe his next of kin

[Dai Bach y Sowldiwr]

On 31/07/2019 at 07:15, George Rayner said:

Ancestry have one hit for a surname of Tisane-sorry uncertain of correct naming conventions that may be used-

Name:	B Tisane
Military Date:	1915 - 1919
Military Place:	Cape, South Africa
Attestation Date:	13 Sep 1918
Rank or Designation:	Private
Number:	5600
Additional Information:	Rejected, 17 September 1918
Collection:	Cape Corps 1st Battalion, 1915 - 1919

Attestation date 13/09/1918.

SS Mendi sank 21/02/1917.

[DavidOwen]

Just a thought, there is a Mendi in Papua New Guinea https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mendi 

A different conflict perhaps?

[nhclark]

Very interesting to read through the various threads on the sinking of the Mendi. Since there is no obvious match between the names you have given us, and reading the various comments in threads about the use of nicknames etc. for members of the South African Native Labour Corps, I think that the best way forward is to try to find a match with those known to have embarked on the Mendi, rather than the list of those who perished, a list that has less information than the records of the Corps itself.

 

According to Wikipedia, 607 black troops perished, and of those 287 came from the Transvaal. I don't know whether those numbers are up-to-date or not, but the information came from the South African National Defence Force Archive (SANDFA). In 1994 this was merged into another body, but the address is still the same - 20 Visagie Street, Pretoria. Assuming that your great-grandfather gave the correct information concerning his village etc., and that it was recorded accurately, then the search is narrowed to 287 records, and in those if it were me I would look first for matches on the name "Frans" - seems to me that if the authorities were to get anything correct it would be that, and then see if any match your GGF's village.

 

https://www.familysearch.org/wiki/en/South_Africa_Military_Records
http://archivesmadeeasy.pbworks.com/w/page/39274352/South-African-National-Defence-Force-Archive-(SANDFA)

http://www.archivalplatform.org/registry/entry/documentation_centre_department_of_defence_force_archives/
http://www.dod.mil.za/

 

Unfortunately I don't have any experience with researching South African war dead. You may be able to find someone who does by diligent use of Google, perhaps an experienced researcher located in Pretoria. My limited experience with SA is with a white family. Absence of comprehensive BDMs is the problem I faced, but the various librarians etc. that I found were incredibly helpful. I can only wish you good luck with further searching for your GGF.

 

Noel
"Marvellous Melbourne"

[ilkley remembers]

You could try searching the South African War Graves Project http://www.southafricawargraves.org/search/index_advanced.php ,casualties from the SS Mendi are listed on it