jay dubaya Posted 25 July , 2019 Share Posted 25 July , 2019 Nice find at Pinchfalise brocante on Sunday, 3 euros for the pair. Not sure if they’re GW period so would really appreciate some advice. Also a nicely decorated German 77mm shell case picked up for 5 euros cheers, Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
14276265 Posted 25 July , 2019 Share Posted 25 July , 2019 A similar head stamp on a 77 is described in this thread: 265 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peregrinvs Posted 25 July , 2019 Share Posted 25 July , 2019 1 hour ago, jay dubaya said: Also a nicely decorated German 77mm shell case picked up for 5 euros Funnily enough I picked up it's close relative on Tuesday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy9fingers1 Posted 25 July , 2019 Share Posted 25 July , 2019 The great finds there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 25 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 25 July , 2019 Cheers folks and thanks for the link 265, it answers many questions I now needn’t ask. J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 27 July , 2019 Share Posted 27 July , 2019 I've seen on line (an Enfield website) that the spread Broad Arrows on the Oilers are thought to be pre WW1 and may be associated with the MLE rather than the SMLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 27 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 27 July , 2019 That’s interesting Gunner Bailey, I have to say I’ve never seen a broad arrow like this one before J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 27 July , 2019 Share Posted 27 July , 2019 One arrow variant is the pheon, with nasty barbs on the pointy bit. Not a lot of people know that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 28 July , 2019 Share Posted 28 July , 2019 (edited) 17 hours ago, Muerrisch said: One arrow variant is the pheon, with nasty barbs on the pointy bit. Not a lot of people know that. https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/32404-broad-arrow-ordnance-mark/ Unless they saw this thread first! Edited 28 July , 2019 by GWF1967 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 28 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 28 July , 2019 Funnily enough I read that thread last night after I’d posted in it J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 28 July , 2019 Share Posted 28 July , 2019 I forgot to add the names of the makers of the oilers. ESS - Edwin Showell & Sons - Birmingham - made 300,000 in the Great War S&Co Ltd Sperryn &Co Birmingham - Made 100,000 in the Great War The splayed Broad Arrow mark was also used by the London Small Arms Co on oilers and they were certainly making MLE / SMLE's pre WW1. Also by:- S Heath & Sons Nicole, Nielson & Co., Ltd And Western Electric Co Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 28 July , 2019 Share Posted 28 July , 2019 (edited) Gunner, Could you identify the maker denoted by, HJ&S , with inspection stamp crown / V6 / B ? Further, do you have a number for the total of oilers produced during GW? Regards, JMB Edit: should also have asked how many makers were recorded? Edited 28 July , 2019 by JMB1943 Add comment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 29 July , 2019 Share Posted 29 July , 2019 HJ&S is Henry Jenkins & sons Birmingham. One of the prolific makers. 1.1m in the war. There's very long list. I used to sell loads of them and kept notes. Will list more later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 29 July , 2019 Share Posted 29 July , 2019 (edited) Here's a list with numbers produced, where known. All of the firms are from the Birmingham Area except where listed as London, or Enfield RSAF Enfield RSAF Sparkbrook 1872-1906 (thereafter BSA) JJ Bent 250,000 BSA Thomas Bland & Sons London 26,000 WH Briscoe & C0 150,000 H S Cooke Co Ltd Davis & Mawson Gabriel & Co 205,000 Harcourts Ltd 100,000 Henry Jenkins & Sons 1,100,000 S Hall & Sons 100,000 S Heath & Sons Henry Rifled Barrels Co London Kings Norton Metal Co 100,000 Lightwood & Sons 84,000 London Small Arms May & Padmore 100,000 Nicole Neilson 50,000 Parker Hale Edwin Showell & Sons 300,000 Sperryn & Co Ltd 100,000 Standard Small Arms Co Vickers Sons & Maxim Crayford 208,000 Western Electric Co Ltd There may be more. Plus Enfield Oilers made in Australia, Canada, South Africa and India. Here's a photo of the last few I have. One JJ Bent, three HJ&S, Two BSA. Edited 29 July , 2019 by Gunner Bailey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jay dubaya Posted 29 July , 2019 Author Share Posted 29 July , 2019 That’s fantastic GB thanks for listing these and especially the ID of the two I now have, interesting that Sperryn & Co opted for the splayed broad arrow J Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 30 July , 2019 Share Posted 30 July , 2019 Gunner, My Thanks also! Regards, JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunner Bailey Posted 30 July , 2019 Share Posted 30 July , 2019 Pleasure! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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