Hett65 Posted 25 May , 2019 Share Posted 25 May , 2019 R. Garbutt is one of 361 men recorded on Spennymoor war memorial and is the only one I cannot find any research on; he is also recorded on St Paul's Church war memorial in the town. The Spennymoor Book of Remembrance records his date of death as 13 May 1918, however I have found a number of the dates incorrect. In the AVL of 1918 I have found an R. Garbutt living at 3 Granville Tce, Binchester which is just outside of Spennymoor, and he was recorded as Cadet 30731, but I cannot find any information on him. I have tried the following to trace R. Garbutt; SDGW disc. CWGC. Army service records. Army pension records. RAF airman records. RN seaman records. RN officer records. RNVR records. Army register of soldiers effects. Public member trees. MIC's. Deaths in Spennymoor 1918. Burials in Spennymoor and surrounding villages 1918. None of these have been successful. Can anyone assist with tracing this man? Thanks John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 25 May , 2019 Admin Share Posted 25 May , 2019 A 19 year old (R G)? Garbutt served and died under the name Robert G Sherwood, Private 50103, Lancashire Fusiliers ; date of death 3rd August 1918. https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/186848/sherwood,-/ MIC here https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1262/30850_A001406-02923?pid=2187504&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DTSa1068%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1262%26gsfn%3Dr%20g%26gsln%3Dsherwood%26gsfn_x%3DNP_NN_NIC%26gsln_x%3D1%26cp%3D0%26_F8007A65%3D50103%26_F8007A65_x%3D1%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26uidh%3De21%26redir%3Dfalse%26msT%3D1%26gss%3Dangs-d%26pcat%3D39%26fh%3D0%26h%3D2187504%26recoff%3D%26ml_rpos%3D1&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=TSa1068&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true Might he be your man? The only other Garbutt I could find under Alias was a "F Graham" who died in 1916. Regards David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ss002d6252 Posted 25 May , 2019 Share Posted 25 May , 2019 Sherwood was from (and had relatives in) Hutton Rudby, Yorks. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 25 May , 2019 Admin Share Posted 25 May , 2019 John Some more info on the above soldier His birth place was recorded as Hutton Rudby, Yorkshire. He actually served as Robert Garbutt Sherwood. He was in 10th Bn Lancs Fusiliers. David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 25 May , 2019 Admin Share Posted 25 May , 2019 Interestingly I cannot find him in Soldier's Effects under that number... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hett65 Posted 25 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 25 May , 2019 David & Craig Thanks for the above information, I will do a bit of research on this man and see what comes up. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 25 May , 2019 Share Posted 25 May , 2019 There is a Private Robert Garbutt, 225th Battalion, Canadian Expeditionary Force listed on Archives Militaire Canada. He is listed as born Bilsdale, North Yorkshire. Cannot see what happened to him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 25 May , 2019 Admin Share Posted 25 May , 2019 Cannot find a Canadian casualty under that name on CWGC but there is an Australian Robert Garbutt but he was 35 when he died in 1917. He was a native of Skelton in York. I think he could be ruled out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hett65 Posted 25 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 25 May , 2019 Thanks, this is one thing I did not think about in that he may have served with the Canadians or Australians and I will check this out. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 25 May , 2019 Admin Share Posted 25 May , 2019 Found that Robert Sydney Garbutt was born 3rd March 1898 in Spennymoor to Frank (Francis) James Garbutt and Lydia Garbutt. Lydia's maiden name was Suddards. That would make him 19 in August 1918. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hett65 Posted 25 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 25 May , 2019 All contributing in post I have also checked Canadian (none) and Australian (1) casualties with that name and have not matched any to my Garbutt. David That is an interesting one for Spennymoor, I had not found him but I will make a few checks on him and his family. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 25 May , 2019 Admin Share Posted 25 May , 2019 John Can't find a death record for Robert Sydney (closest is a Robert Garbutt died 1977 in Scarborough but he has a definite date of birth recorded as 18th Feb 1896...) No marriage record either.... David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 25 May , 2019 Admin Share Posted 25 May , 2019 A note of caution as a Robert Sidney Garbutt is listed on a Middlesborough Roll of Honour as serving with 4th Bn Yorkshire Regiment and died of wounds 19th June 1916. http://www.ww1-yorkshires.org.uk/pdf-files/bob coulson/mbro-war-memorial-g.pdf https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/199509/garbutt,-/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hett65 Posted 25 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 25 May , 2019 David Just completed a family tree research on Robert Sydney and he and his brothers were born Merrington, Spennymoor but were living at South Bank, Middlesbrough in 1911. His brother Harry served in 1st WW by the family tree but sadly nothing marked against Robert Sydney for a date of death. I will keep on trying. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hett65 Posted 25 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 25 May , 2019 David Thanks for the Middlesbrough Roll of Honour with Robert Sydney listed. It is still possible that some of his family may have still lived in Spennymoor and decided to have his name recorded on the local war memorials. I will continue with this line of research but have to leave at the moment as heading to my sons to look after grandchildren. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 25 May , 2019 Admin Share Posted 25 May , 2019 John The Spennymoor man I think is the 4th Bn Yorkshire man in my (now edited) post 13 above as his (correct) soldier's effects record his legatee as his father Frank J https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/60506/42511_6129999_0042-00021?pid=79607&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DTSa1139%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D60506%26gsln%3Dgarbutt%26gsln_x%3D1%26cp%3D0%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26uidh%3De21%26redir%3Dfalse%26gss%3Dangs-d%26pcat%3D39%26fh%3D54%26h%3D79607%26recoff%3D%26fsk%3DMDs0MDsyMA-61--61-%26bsk%3D%26pgoff%3D%26ml_rpos%3D55&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=TSa1139&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true Regards David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theletterwriter Posted 25 May , 2019 Share Posted 25 May , 2019 Would it be possible R. Garbutt was a merchant seaman? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 25 May , 2019 Admin Share Posted 25 May , 2019 1911 census has Robert Sidney having just left school living with parents Frank James and Lydia (plus siblings) in the Middlesborough area (birth place not listed as Spennymoor though...) https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/2352/rg14_29220_0405_03?pid=30320976&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D2352%26h%3D30320976%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DTSa1142%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=TSa1142&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.256201545.359493224.1558708694-1246174464.1500647376&_gac=1.103467058.1558795213.CMq_6IXS5s4CFUqdGwodKW0N1g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 25 May , 2019 Admin Share Posted 25 May , 2019 1901 census has the family living in Merrington, Wikipedia states that village is part of the Spennymoor township https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/7814/DURRG13_4647_4648-0602?pid=29555593&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D7814%26h%3D29555593%26tid%3D%26pid%3D%26usePUB%3Dtrue%26_phsrc%3DTSa1144%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=TSa1144&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true&_ga=2.213848278.359493224.1558708694-1246174464.1500647376&_gac=1.135441667.1558795213.CMq_6IXS5s4CFUqdGwodKW0N1g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 25 May , 2019 Admin Share Posted 25 May , 2019 A thought though, wouldn't he have only just been 18 in 1916? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keithmroberts Posted 25 May , 2019 Share Posted 25 May , 2019 Are there any surviving parish records. Sometimes entries in parish magazines can be helpful. They also often have rolls of honour around 1918. The other possibility might be the local newspapers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hett65 Posted 25 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 25 May , 2019 David & Keith I have been checking the family that were born at Merrington but cannot find them in the area after 1911. Another problem I have is that Merrington where they were born and lived was not in the catchment area for St Paul's Church where the name of R Garbutt is recorded. I did not find any articles on him in local newspapers for 1918, however I will try the church to see if they have any parish magazines or other history from that time. Thanks to all who contributed to this posting. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPT Posted 25 May , 2019 Share Posted 25 May , 2019 He could well be 30131 Sgt Robert Garbutt MM, DLI, who was commissioned 28/5/1918 (so may have been an officer cadet at the time of the absent voter list). Ancestry medal card - https://www.ancestry.co.uk/interactive/1262/30850_A000583-02135?pid=3393512&backurl=https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?_phsrc%3DKoj247%26_phstart%3DsuccessSource%26usePUBJs%3Dtrue%26indiv%3D1%26dbid%3D1262%26gsfn%3DRobert%26gsln%3Dgarbutt%26gsfn_x%3D1%26gsln_x%3D1%26cp%3D0%26new%3D1%26rank%3D1%26uidh%3Didw%26redir%3Dfalse%26gss%3Dangs-d%26pcat%3D39%26fh%3D4%26h%3D3393512%26recoff%3D%26ml_rpos%3D5&treeid=&personid=&hintid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Koj247&_phstart=successSource&usePUBJs=true If it's him, he doesn't appear to have been a casualty. Has a London address in 1924. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hett65 Posted 25 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 25 May , 2019 IPT Thanks for that information, Robert Garbutt from Binchester was a cadet in 1918 so may have been the one you mention, however as you say he survived the war. John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RaySearching Posted 25 May , 2019 Share Posted 25 May , 2019 (edited) Now here is a Spennymoor connection for the man previously suggested Baptism record Ray Edited 25 May , 2019 by RaySearching Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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