Gareth Davies Posted 16 May , 2019 Share Posted 16 May , 2019 A chum is trying to research her grandfather, 69814 Pte Thomas Robert Hall, 5th North Staffs Regt. He lived at Calder Grove, Wakefield, West Riding. I have had a quick search on Ancestry but didn’t find him. Can you please help? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Inspector Posted 16 May , 2019 Share Posted 16 May , 2019 (edited) Hi Gareth Same result, however...is this him ? Thomas Robert Hall Married Jane Shange ????, Banns read 28.11.15 Calder Grove. He was born 1885 died Oct, 1966 Wakefield 2d,638 ?Marriage 19.12.1915 St.James ,Chapelthorpe. to Jane STRINGER ? aged 43 spinster, (b.6.1.1872 baptised 31.3.1872, St.James, Chapelthorpe) Father Francis deceased, licensed victualler. Thomas Robert Hall, butcher, aged 30 yrs. Baptised 26th July 1885 mother Hannah, father Thomas, cattle dealer.....looking Regards Barry Should be the marriage cert. below but lost in cyberspace. Date of death edited ..... Edited 17 May , 2019 by The Inspector Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeignGong Posted 16 May , 2019 Share Posted 16 May , 2019 Are you sure of the number as the only Hall with that number is Robert N Hall HLI. There is a Thomas R Hall 202549 South Staffordshire, Thomas R Hall 41853 South Staffordshire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 16 May , 2019 Share Posted 16 May , 2019 12 minutes ago, ForeignGong said: There is a Thomas R Hall 202549 South Staffordshire, Thomas R Hall 41853 South Staffordshire These could be the same man, as 202549 was one of the numbers allocated to 5/S Staffs in the 1917 renumbering. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 16 May , 2019 Share Posted 16 May , 2019 202549 on FWR First Name: Thomas Robert Surname: Hall Birth Town: Bethnal Green, Middlesex Resided Town: Walthamstow, Essex Nationality: British Date of Death: 25/10/1917 Fate: Killed in Action Rank: Private Service Number: 202549 George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 16 May , 2019 Share Posted 16 May , 2019 41853 NOK in Wakefield on FWR Casualty Listed As: Wounded Next Of Kin Address: Wakefield Service: British Army Primary Unit: South Staffordshire Regiment Archive Reference: NLS 1918_Wlist23 https://www.forces-war-records.co.uk/records/20422105/private-t-r-hall-british-army-south-staffordshire-regiment/ George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 16 May , 2019 Share Posted 16 May , 2019 (edited) Could this be him on Ancestry? Name: Thomas Robert Hall Gender: Male Rank: Pte Residence Place: Wakefield Military Service Region: North East, England Service Number:594462 Regiment: Stt Staffs Title: Pension Record Cards Description: Pension Record Ledger Reference Number:4/MH/No.2925 https://search.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=61588&h=1502874269&tid=&pid=&usePUB=true&_phsrc=Yiy19324&_phstart=successSource service number refers to Labour Corps-also Sth Staffs 41853 George Edited 16 May , 2019 by George Rayner Linking information Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Inspector Posted 16 May , 2019 Share Posted 16 May , 2019 Hi All Can't be 202549 soldiers' effects widow Harriett, wrong one.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted 16 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 16 May , 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 16 May , 2019 Share Posted 16 May , 2019 FWR Unit Rank Service Number South Staffordshire Regiment Private 41853 Labour Corps Private 594462 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Inspector Posted 16 May , 2019 Share Posted 16 May , 2019 Hi All Thomas Robert Hall, 594462 silver war badge B268135, enlisted 2.12.15 disch.22.7.19.....looking Regards Barry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 16 May , 2019 Share Posted 16 May , 2019 Sorry may have gone astray! George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted 17 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 17 May , 2019 What I have on him so far: Born July 1885 in Wakefield. His birth registration is on Ancestry. Died Oct 1966 in Wakefield. He was known as Bob. His sister, Susan, was a nurse and was awarded the Red Cross Medal. And the identity disc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 17 May , 2019 Admin Share Posted 17 May , 2019 Strange the LLT doesn't mention a 5th Bn North Staffs per se just 1/5th and 2/5th. Can't find him on Absent Voters lists. Still looking... There is one MIC for a Thomas Hall 1/5th Bn but he was KIA in 1915 so not him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 17 May , 2019 Share Posted 17 May , 2019 Have you found them on census for 1911? George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted 17 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 17 May , 2019 7 minutes ago, DavidOwen said: Strange the LLT doesn't mention a 5th Bn North Staffs per se just 1/5th and 2/5th. Can't find him on Absent Voters lists. Still looking... I am guessing now but maybe he joined up before Nov 14 when the 5th Bn was split in 2? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 17 May , 2019 Admin Share Posted 17 May , 2019 13 minutes ago, Gareth Davies said: I am guessing now but maybe he joined up before Nov 14 when the 5th Bn was split in 2? But not with that high a number? (Re-numbering apart). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Clifton Posted 17 May , 2019 Share Posted 17 May , 2019 That's a distinct possibility, although 1/5th and 2/5th shared a common record office with a single set of regimental numbers. A lot of 1/ and 2/ battalions were merged in Feb/March 1918 and dropped the prefix. Unfortunately some of the posts on this thread have related to men in the South Staffordshires. The two regiments are of course distinct although many of their TF and New Army battalions served together in the same brigades and divisions. Ron Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted 17 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 17 May , 2019 19 minutes ago, DavidOwen said: But not with that high a number? (Re-numbering apart). I wil stop guessing! 16 minutes ago, Ron Clifton said: Unfortunately some of the posts on this thread have related to men in the South Staffordshires. Yes. Hey ho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted 17 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 17 May , 2019 On 16 May 2019 at 09:38, The Inspector said: Hi Gareth Same result, however...is this him ? Thomas Robert Hall Married Jane Shange ????, Banns read 28.11.15 Calder Grove. He was born 1885 died Oct, 1996 Wakefield 2d,638 ?Marriage 19.12.1915 St.James ,Chapelthorpe. to Jane STRINGER ? aged 43 spinster, (b.6.1.1872 baptised 31.3.1872, St.James, Chapelthorpe) Father Francis deceased, licensed victualler. Thomas Robert Hall, butcher, aged 30 yrs. Baptised 26th July 1885 mother Hannah, father Thomas, cattle dealer.....looking Regards Barry Should be the marriage cert. below but lost in cyberspace. 59 minutes ago, Gareth Davies said: What I have on him so far: Born July 1885 in Wakefield. His birth registration is on Ancestry. Died Oct 1966 in Wakefield. He was known as Bob. His sister, Susan, was a nurse and was awarded the Red Cross Medal. And the identity disc. Yes, I think that is him Barry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin DavidOwen Posted 17 May , 2019 Admin Share Posted 17 May , 2019 Been through all the MICs for Hall in North Staffs on Ancestry and can't see any suitable matches. Might he just have served at home? What was his pre-war occupation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 17 May , 2019 Share Posted 17 May , 2019 I know this appears to be a S Staffs (+Labour Corps) man but he is from Wakefield! can't see him in previous posts Name: Thomas Robert Hall Gender: Male Rank: Pte Residence Place: Wakefield Military Service Region: North East, England Service Number: 594462 Regiment: Stt Staffs Title: Pension Record Cards Description: Pension Record Ledger Reference Number: 4/MH/No.2925 from Ancestry George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted 17 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 17 May , 2019 10 minutes ago, DavidOwen said: Been through all the MICs for Hall in North Staffs on Ancestry and can't see any suitable matches. Might he just have served at home? What was his pre-war occupation? I will ask. 6 minutes ago, George Rayner said: I know this appears to be a S Staffs (+Labour Corps) man but he is from Wakefield! can't see him in previous posts Name: Thomas Robert Hall Gender: Male Rank: Pte Residence Place: Wakefield Military Service Region: North East, England Service Number: 594462 Regiment: Stt Staffs Title: Pension Record Cards Description: Pension Record Ledger Reference Number: 4/MH/No.2925 from Ancestry George Thanks George but the identity disc is very specifically N Staffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Rayner Posted 17 May , 2019 Share Posted 17 May , 2019 Yes I appreciate that. Sorry to have cast another red herring then George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gareth Davies Posted 17 May , 2019 Author Share Posted 17 May , 2019 3 hours ago, DavidOwen said: What was his pre-war occupation? He was a smallholder and butcher/slaughterman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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