Tower Hill Monument

[larneman]

I am working on building a website for all Mercantile Marine & Mercantile Marine Reserve persons that fell in the Great War. I have made a start with the Tower Hill Monument.

What or who I am looking for is somebody that will help to identify the ships and somebody that could help with knowledge of working with MySql or other online database.

Normal things, were built, tonnage etc. when sunk, were sunk, how sunk, by which submarine etc.

I have a list of the nearly 12,000 names recorded on it and the large list of ships as well. My problem is what now. Can I send the names of the ships to the FORUM or would it be better to work off-FORUM.

Any thoughts would be welcome.

Liam

[kin47]

Hello

An excellent starting point would be A.J. Tennent's BRITISH MERCHANT SHIPS SUNK BY U BOATS IN THE 1914-1918 WAR Starling Press, LTD, Rogerstone, Newport, Gwent 1990

A typical entry:

LA BLANCA 7479 GRT Blt. 1906

23.11.17: Torpedoed and sunk in the English Channel 10 miles S.S.E. from Berry Head by the German submarine U 96 whilst on a voyage from Buenos Aires to Le Havre with a general cargo and meat. 2 lost.

don

[Michael Lowrey]

I would agree wit Don that Tennent's book would be the place to start. The main limitation would be that it only includes steamers of over 500 grt. You can the where/when/how on most of the remaining vessels from "British Vessels Lost at Sea 1914-1918." I'd have which vessel (generally which submarine) was responsible for the sinking in most cases.

Best wishes,

Michael

[larneman]

Thanks for the book titles.

Practical help would also be welcome if anybody is interested in that sort of thing.

Liam

[Malcolm]

Any RN vessel details you need let me know.

Aye

Malcolm

[larneman]

Well Malcolm, thanks for the offer.

I do not know if these are "real" RN ships.

You can advise.

They have either HM in their name or the person who died was Mercantile Marine Reserve and on one of the named vessels.

HM "Dover Castle" (London)

HM Drifter "Niedra"

HM Yacht "Iolanda"

HM Yacht "Oransay"

HM Yacht "Zaza"

HMHS "Asturias" (Belfast)

HMHS "Britannic" (Liverpool)

HMHS "Dover Castle" (London)

HMHS "Glenart Castle"

HMHS "Glenart Castle" (Southampton)

HMHS "Gloucester Castle" (London)

HMHS "Lanfranc" (Liverpool)

HMHS "Llandovely Castle" (London)

HMHS "Llandovery Castle" (Glasgow)

HMHS "Rohilla"

HMHT "Britannic" (Liverpool)

HMHT "Cape Finisterre" (Glasgow)

HMHT "Exchange" (Liverpool)

HMHT "Hunsbrook" (London)

HMHT "Huntsend" (London)

HMHT "Huntsvale" (London)

HMHT "Ivernia" (Liverpool)

HMHT "Justicia" (Liverpool)

HMHT "Leasowe Castle" (London)

HMHT "Orsova" (Glasgow)

HMS "Armadale Castle"

HMS "Baralong"

HMS "Eaglet"

HMS "Ebro"

HMS "Maggie Purvis"

HMS "Medusa II"

HMS "Paris"

HMS "President II"

HMS "Reaper"

HMS "Victory"

HMS "Wahine"

HMS "Warden"

HMT "Hunsbrook" (London)

HMT "North Wales"

HMT "Tringa"

Ketch "Maria"

S.S. "Celtic Pride"

Trawler "King Edward"

Yacht "Beryl"

greetings from the Netherlands

Liam

[larneman]

There are about 1700 ships which the nearly 12,000 men and women named on the Tower Hill Monument WW1 sailed on.

Here is the the vessels beginning with "A".

S.S. "Aaro" (Hull) S.S. "Anteros" (London)

S.S. "Abaris" (London) S.S. "Antinoe" (London)

S.S. "Aberdon" (Aberdeen) S.S. "Antonio" (London)

S.S. "Aberdon" (Aberdon) S.S. "Apapa" (Landon)

S.S. "Abosso" (London)

S.S. "Aburi" (London) S.S. "Aparima" (London)

S.S. "Acadian" (Montreal) S.S. "Arab (Shanghai)

S.S. "Achille Adam" (London)

S.S. "Achilles" (Liverpool) S.S. "Arabia" (Greenock)

S.S. "Acton" (London) S.S. "Arabic" (Liverpool)

S.S. "Adalia" "Arabis"

S.S. "Adamton" (Cardiff) S.S. "Arabie" (Liverpool)

S.S. "Adansi" (Liverpool) S.S. "Aracataca" (Belfast)

S.S. "Addah" (Liverpool) S.S. "Aragon" (Belfast)

S.S. "Adela" (Dublin) S.S. "Arbonne"

S.S. "Adenwen" (Cardiff) S.S. "Arbonne" (Liverpool)

S.S. "Adriatic" (Hull) S.S. "Arca" (London)

S.S. "Afric" (Liverpool) S.S. "Arcadian" (Belfast)

S.S. "Africa" (Goole) S.S. "Arcadian" (Montreal)

S.S. "Africa" (Liverpool) S.S. "Archbank" (Newcastle)

S.S. "African Monarch" (Glasgow) S.S. "Ardendearg" (Glasgow)

S.S. "African Transport" (West Hartlepool) S.S. "Ardens" (London)

S.S. "Agenoria" (West Hartlepool) S.S. "Ardgask" (Greenock)

S.S. "Agnete" (London) S.S. "Ardglass" (Greenock)

S.S. "Aguila" (Liverpool) S.S. "Ardmore" (Cork)

S.S. "Aigburth" S.S. "Argalia" (Glasgow)

S.S. "Aigburth" (Liverpool) "Argentine"

S.S. "Ajax" (Liverpool) S.S. "Argyll" (Newcastle)

S.S. "Akassa" (Liverpool) S.S. "Argyll" (Newport)

S.S. "Alacrity" (Belfast) S.S. "Armadale" (London)

S.S. "Alastair" (Aberdeen) S.S. "Armenian" (Liverpool)

S.S. "Alaunia" (Liverpool) S.S. "Armonia" (Montreal)

S.S. "Alavi" (Bombay) S.S. "Arndale" (Whitby)

"Albion" S.S. "Aros Castle" (London)

"Alert" (London) S.S. "Artesia" (Newcastle)

S.S. "Alfalfa" (London) S.S. "Artist" (Liverpool)

S.S. "Algarve" (London) S.S. "Artist" (London)

S.S. "Algiers" (London) S.S. "Asaba" (London)

"Alice" S.S. "Ashdene" (Sunderland)

S.S. "Allendale" (London) S.S. "Ashmore" (Aberdeen)

S.S. "Almond Blanch" (Sunderland) "Aster"

S.S. "Alnwick Castle" (London) S.S. "Astoria" (London)

S.S. "Alva" (Glasgow) S.S. "Astrologer" (Leith)

S.S. "Amakura" (Liverpool) S.S. "Asturias" (Belfast)

"Amber" S.S. "Athenia" (Glasgow)

S.S. "Ampleforth" (Cardiff) S.S. "Aube" (London)

S.S. "Amsteldam" (Cardiff) S.S. "Auchencrag" (Glasgow)

S.S. "Amsterdam" (Glasgow) S.S. "Auckland Castle" (Newport)

S.S. "Ancona" (London) S.S. "Audax" (London)

S.S. "Andama" (Liverpool) S.S. "Aulton" (Aberdeen)

S.S. "Andania" (Liverpool) S.S. "Aurania" (Liverpool)

S.S. "Andoni" (Liverpool) S.S. "Auriac" (Leith)

"Angela" S.S. "Ausonia" (Liverpool)

"Anglia" (Dublin) S.S. "Australbush" (Adelaide)

S.S. "Anglian" (West Hartlepool) S.S. "Australdale" (Brisbane)

S.S. "Anglo Californian" (London) S.S. "Australia" (London)

S.S. "Anglo Patagonian" (London) S.S. "Australiadale" (Brisbane)

S.S. "Anglo-Californian" (London) S.S. "Australian Transport" (West Hartlepool)

S.S. "Anglo-Patagonian" (London) S.S. "Australier" (London)

S.S. "Ava" (Glasgow) S.S. "Avanti" (London)

S.S. "Avon" (Grangemouth) S.S. "Avristan" (Swansea)

S.S. "Axminster" (London) S.S. "Axwell" (West Hartlepool)

S.S. "Aylevarroo" (Limerick) S.S. "Aysgarth" (Newcastle)

"Aylevarroo" S.S. "Azira" (Newcastle)

S.S. "Azul" (London)

[Malcolm]

Liam,

Send me an email as I have your first list done.

Aye

Malcolm

[Jim Strawbridge]

If any one is visiting the Tower Hill Memorial on this project I have a few photo requests please. Jim Strawbridge (jimstrawbridge@coinsale.fsnet.co.uk)

[kin47]

Hello Jim and all

The last I have heard from the Tower Hill Memorial, they were shut for a restoration. Can anyone tell me if that has been completed or if not, when it may be?

don

[per ardua per mare per terram]

As far as I know Leasowe Castle was sunk, on 27/5/18, by UB-51 whilst on passage between Alexandria and Marseilles.

[Jonathan Saunders]

Don - Pretty sure Tower Hill Memorial is now open.

Jim - I go past it everyday - send me an email with what your after.

Jon

[Jim Strawbridge]

Hello Jonathan, I hope that you don't regret your offer as there is a lot of them. What I need is a digital image of each of the names which can be sent to me a few at a time as attachment to emails at jimstrawbridge@coinsale.fsnet.co.uk I am the present owner of the BWM and victory medals of Elizabeth Elbra. S. Gearle is, I believe, the same person as Louisa Tearle, buried at Newquay, Cornwall. Sarah Hafkin may be recorded as Sarah Hasskin, a Russian jewess who perished with a cargo of onions and cotton seed. Her body was landed at Chatham so surprisingly her grave whereabouts is unknown and her name appears on the Tower Memorial. I have a newspaper photograph of Mary Oliphant. I thought that these little snippets may be of interest.

Ambler, Jane Louise

Arnott, Sarah Jane

Bruce, Minnie Elizabeth

Burton, W.

Campbell, Alice

Carroll, C.M.

Cassels, Nora

Cochrane, E.B.

Coster, Jemima

Creegan, Margaret

Dodwell, Eleanor

Duncan, Christina Campbell

Elbra, Elizabeth

Fitzpatrick, Mary

Foulkes, Margaret Elizabeth

Gearle, S. (possibly Tearle)

Hafkin, Sarah (possibly Hasskin)

Henry, Olivia

Hird, Agnes

Irvine, Catherine

Jenkins, Martha Emily

Johnson, Jane (may be Johnstone)

Kennedy, Eliza

Leishman, Catherine

McCormac, Margarita Christina

McDonald, Margaret

McGregor, Agnes,

McLean, Elizabeth

McMillan, Clara Louisa

McPherson, Nellie,

Maberley, E,

Morrow, Isabel Harding

Newton, Edith Keighly

Oliphant, Mary Elizabeth

Palmer, Adelaide Ann

Parry, Louisa

Phelan, Elizabeth Anne

Richardson, Annie

Robertson, Jean

Rodgers, May (sailed under the alias of Stubbington so may be under that name)

Seymour, Esther

Shead, Clara Harriett

Smith, Alice Everson

Summerfield, Ann,

Topp, Sarah, Lavinia

Trenerry, Bridget

[j.r.f]

LIAM

Please can I have a moan?Your avitar does my eyes in,This is a great pity because the contents of your postings are well worth reading.Could you make your shamrock move round more slowly??or could you make it static.If this is not posible then ok.I know that I can switch off the avitars but in doing this I would miss a lot of imformation about members.Please dont take offence.I really like yors.

CHEERS.

JOHN.

[Jonathan Saunders]

Hello Jonathan, I hope that you don't regret your offer as there is a lot of them. What I need is a digital image of each of the names ...

Jim - shouldnt be too much of a problem ... unless they are at the top of teh memorial plaques. I'll try and have a recce tomorrow and set out a plan of attack.

Jon

[Terry Denham]

You will need a telephoto lens for any name high on the memorial and a few names are very difficult to photograph as they are partly obscured by the metal fittings of the memorial - They can still be seen but difficult to get a decent pic!

[micmic74]

Hello Liam,

It is quite interesting that the Britannic is metnioned twice: First as a HMHS (hospital ship) and then as a HMHT (transport ship). I would like to ask you if that list is accurate and then ask for a favour. If you plan to photo the memorial could you send me an image of the Britannic names -if it is possible- in order to put it on my Britannic website (http://www.hospitalshipbritannic.com) ? The website is quite extensive and provides detailed information about the ship and the people who served on her. I have an general view of the Tower Hill memorial but no images of the names in question.

Best regards,

Michail

[larneman]

It is quite interesting that the Britannic is metnioned twice: First as a HMHS (hospital ship) and then as a HMHT (transport ship). I would like to ask you if that list is accurate and then ask for a  favour. If you plan to photo the memorial could you send me an image of the Britannic names -if it is possible- in order to put it on my Britannic website (http://www.hospitalshipbritannic.com) ? The website is quite extensive and provides detailed information about the ship and the people who served on her. I have an general view of the Tower Hill memorial but no images of the names in question.

That was a bit of my problem when I started. All the ships with different letters before their names or none at all. I have since followed some of the good advice given and purchased the different books. The list of ship names is extracted from some of the 12000 odd records that the CWGC has for the Tower Monument.

It is difficult to find the exact set of letters when the ship was sunk, SS, SV RMS, HTMT, HMHT, HMHS etc. Men that died on the same day would seem to below to different vessels

I will suppy a correct list for the CWGC when I ever get finished.

I have just purchased a new domain name http://wardead.net and am working on getting the MySql database loaded and working as I have everything in Excel. Chris, the forum owner, has given me some of his PHP scripts and I hope to master them soon.

I have no plans to visit London in the near future but it is on my wishlist. In some earlier messages some people have offered or are busy making some photo's.

I intend to include a link to sites like yours as my main aim is to put the names of the Merchant Seamen, general information on them plus general ship information.

Then include links to sites that specialise in certain ships, etc.

If anybody has any photographs of names or ships mentioned on the Tower Hill Monument 1914- 1918 I would be pleased to include them on the site.

greetings from The Netherlands

Liam

[spider6340]

I have details from CWGC of those who died on board the Hospital Ship HMHS Asturias on 20/21 March 1917 when she was torpedoed. Of the 206 on board (including 29 nurses) 45 were killed or mortally wounded, including 29 of the crew. 31 of these are listed on the Tower Hill Memorial.

Ian

[Kath]

Hi, Ian.

You found it!

Welcome to the Forum.

Kath.

[Tonym]

I have details from CWGC of those who died on board the Hospital Ship HMHS Asturias on 20/21 March 1917 when she was torpedoed. Of the 206 on board (including 29 nurses) 45 were killed or mortally wounded, including 29 of the crew. 31 of these are listed on the Tower Hill Memorial.

Ian

Ian

Welcome to the forum.

Any Females listed in the casualties?

Tony

[historydavid]

Asturias, there are actually 33 crew names listed on the THM.

Tony, the only female listed is:

"TRENERRY, B, BRIDGET, Stewardess, Mercantile Marine, Asturias (Belfast) H.M.H.S., died 24-Mar-17, age 65, Died, as a result of an attack by an enemy submarine, or through vessel being mined, Daughter of the late John and Mary Murphy; wife of the late Edmund Trenerry. Born at Dublin."

The Asturia was attacked on 20-Mar-17 by torpedo from UC 66.

Best wishes

David

[Tonym]

David

Thanks David, most grateful. Enjoy the Forum great club.

Cheers, Tony

Sorry David you have been enjoying it for a while, got you mixed up with another request. It's getting late.

Tony

[spider6340]

Apart from the 29 crew, which included Stewardess Bridget Trenerry, there were also 13 RAMC and Sister J Phillips, Queen Alexandra's Imperial Military Nursing Service, Hollybrook Memorial Southampton.

I also have 12 photos of some of the Mercantile Marine, taken from the Southampton and District Pictorial 4 April 1917.

Ian

[SiegeGunner]

HMS "Baralong"

Baralong was a Q-ship.