Further Mystery Men

[bobpike]

Can anyone identify any of these, please - surname last? (Memorial found)

CASTLE CAMPS, CAMBS

Maurice Carter

Alfred Middleditch

SHUDY CAMPS, CAMBS

Archibald C Thornton

GREAT CHESTERFORD, ESSEX

Thorp Hepher

GREAT DUNMOW

George H Barrick

Rupert Charles Grant

Llewellyn Malcolmson

Leonard E Mason

George Rawlings

Arthur Smith

Sydney Smith

Ernest A Stokes

ASHDON, ESSEX

F W Smith

[Northern Soul]

Archibald C. Thornton is a Canadian Casualty:

A C Thornton

(a bit hard to read but you can make out "Shudy")

and CWGC:

CWGC

Andy.

[Guest Pete Wood]

None of the soldiers called EA Stokes appear to have an Essex connection, according to SDGW. However one man, does not appear on SDGW:

Name: STOKES

Initials: E A

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Private

Regiment: The Queen's (Royal West Surrey Regiment)

Unit Text: 8th Bn.

Date of Death: 19/02/1919

Service No: 30491

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: Div. 64. VIII. I. 3.

Cemetery: STE. MARIE CEMETERY, LE HAVRE

His MIC shows Stokes, Ernest Archibald and might be worth following up.

His MIC also shows his number was G/30491.

[bobpike]

Pete & Andy,

Briiliant, many thanks. Yes, it definitely says Shudy & Stokes,yes, he's well worth following up.

Many thanks

[Guest Pete Wood]

Malcolmson is shown with a different spelling:

Name: MALCOMSON, LLEWELLYN

Initials: L

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Corporal

Regiment: Royal Engineers

Unit Text: 2nd Bn. Special Bde.

Age: 24

Date of Death: 05/10/1916

Service No: 113329

Additional information: Son of William and Adelina L. Malcomson, of Portlaw, Co. Waterford. B.A. of Cambridge University, (Emmanuel Coll.).

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: I. H. 37.

Cemetery: PHILOSOPHE BRITISH CEMETERY, MAZINGARBE

SDGW confirms the CWGC spelling:

Born and resided in Portlaw, Co Waterford.

Enlisted in Westminster, London

Killed in action

[Northern Soul]

Another one:

Name: MASON, LEONARD FREDERICK

Initials: L F

Nationality: Canadian

Rank: Private

Regiment: Royal Canadian Regiment

Age: 34

Date of Death: 12/09/1918

Service No: 440081

Additional information: Son of George and Frances Mason, of 16, Pleasant Terrace, Great Dunmow, Essex.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: III. E. 13.

Cemetery: TERLINCTHUN BRITISH CEMETERY, WIMILLE

Attestation Form

[Stephen Nulty]

Bob

Attached is Ernest Stokes in Great Dunmore at the time of the 1901 census

Steve

[Stephen Nulty]

And here's George Rawlings at the same time.

I'll have a look for the others later.

Steve

[Northern Soul]

The only Maurice Carter that can't really be excluded (?) is;

Name: CARTER, MAURICE DALBY

Initials: M D

Nationality: New Zealand

Rank: Serjeant

Regiment: Canterbury Regiment, N.Z.E.F.

Unit Text: 1st Bn.

Age: 23

Date of Death: 03/12/1917

Service No: 61825

Additional information: Son of Henry Dalby Carter and Amelia Amy Carter, of 21, Cornhill St., St. Albans, Christchurch, New Zealand. Also served at Gallipoli and in Egypt.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Cemetery: BUTTES NEW BRITISH CEMETERY (N.Z.) MEMORIAL, POLYGON WOOD

Might be worth asking Christine Lia'va to check her CD of NZ Soldiers to see where the family originated from.

There is SE 2344, Pte. Thomas T. Hepher of the AVC listed in the online MIC Index. You could get someone to check the GRO Indexes to see if he died at home during or just after the war following discharge from the Army (and was therefore not entitled to CWGC commemoration).

Andy.

[Guest Pete Wood]

The Hepher name is interesting. All the Hepher names in FreeBMD show Thorp as the second christian name:

Thomas Thorp Hepher for example - and originate in the St Ives area.

I think this may be your man:

http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchive...&resultcount=26

But you'll need to confirm that he is, as I am guessing, Thomas Thorp. Perhaps one of the genealogists can confirm.

The number looks low enough (?), on his MIC, that he may have been discharged early....?? Is it worth downloading...??

[bobpike]

Overwhelmed! Thank you, will follow up ALL suggestions. Brilliant!

[Guest Pete Wood]

Rupert Charles Grant does appear on SDGW. This is the last I have time for. Sorry.

[Northern Soul]

But he is not commemorated as "Grant" by the CWGC...........

Name: GROUT, RUPERT CHARLES

Initials: R C

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Private

Regiment: Essex Regiment

Unit Text: 2nd Bn.

Age: 27

Date of Death: 08/12/1916

Service No: 40186

Additional information: Son of Harry and Mary Grout, of Little Easton, Dunmow; husband of Nellie Maude Baker (formerly Grout), of Little Easton, Dunmow, Essex.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: Pier and Face 10 D.

Cemetery: THIEPVAL MEMORIAL

One to be investigated perhaps?

Strangely his MIC also gives Grout as his surname:

MIC

Regards.

Andy

[Guest Pete Wood]

Further to the above, because it was niggling me.

Check out this:

Name: GROUT, RUPERT CHARLES

Initials: R C

Nationality: United Kingdom

Rank: Private

Regiment: Essex Regiment

Unit Text: 2nd Bn.

Age: 27

Date of Death: 08/12/1916

Service No: 40186

Additional information: Son of Harry and Mary Grout, of Little Easton, Dunmow; husband of Nellie Maude Baker (formerly Grout), of Little Easton, Dunmow, Essex.

Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead

Grave/Memorial Reference: Pier and Face 10 D.

Cemetery: THIEPVAL MEMORIAL

His MIC here http://www.documentsonline.nationalarchive...&resultcount=57

How bizarre!!

[Guest Pete Wood]

Great minds, Andy.

[bobpike]

Thanks, again, but I'll re-check the memorial re Grant/Grout

[Northern Soul]

Great minds, Andy.

Got my own back on you for beating me to "MALCOMSON, LLEWELLYN"

Son of Harry and Mary Grout......

Wasnt Harry Grout the top lag in "Porridge"?...........

[Guest Pete Wood]

Rupert Charles Grout is registered as being born in the Dunmow district in the December quarter of 1889. So the age matches CWGC, and the location matches CWGC & SDGW.

[J T Gray]

Bob,

Read "Reuben's Corner" by Spike Mays for another Essex man in the Canadian Expeditionary Force - the author's father enlisted in Canada.

Adrian

[Terry_Reeves]

Out of interest, Malcomson was one of the original members of the Special Brigade and would have enlisted, or at least joined them , somewhere between July and and early September 1915.

Terry Reeves

[Myrtle]

There was a family called Grout liviig at The Chequers Inn, High St. Great Dunmow in 1881. The father was 32 years old and called Harry but the mother was called Jane Ambrose before marriage. May be the same family if Harry married twice or may be relatives of your man.

[christine liava'a]

Here is the NZ Maurice Carter.

It doesn't prove anything!

Surname CARTER

Given Name Maurice Dalby

Category Nominal Roll Vol. 1

Regimental Number 6/825

Rank Private

Body or Draft Main Body

Unit or Regiment Canterbury Infantry Batln

Marital Status S

Last NZ Address Springfield Christchurch

Next of Kin Title Mrs H D

Next of Kin Surname CARTER

Next of Kin Address 14 Grafton St Linwood Christchurch

His probate records are held in Wellington at Archives NZ

no 26000 filed date 1 April 1919. He was a farmer of Springfield.

If there is any NZ member in Wellington, perhaps they could look it up

[Stephen Nulty]

Myrtle

It's another Harry/Henry case !!

Attached 1901 census shows Rupert C Grout at Little Easton in 1901, with parents Henry & Mary.

Rupert is recorded as being born in Little Easton.

Steve

[Stephen Nulty]

There are two 16-year-old Geroge Barricks in Great Dunmore in 1901. One os the son of Benjamin & Mary Barrick, and the second is a boarder at the house of Joseph and Eliza Caton.

SN

[Stephen Nulty]

And the last of my offerings, here'a a Frank Smith (F W Smith??) in Ashdon in 1901.

Reagrds and good luck!

Steve