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ersatz bayonets from my collection


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4 hours ago, zuluwar2006 said:

mike, i am not sure on which photo ypu are refering to, please let me know

all the best

D.

D.

The Berthier.

Regards,

Mike.

 

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17 minutes ago, MikeyH said:

D.

The Berthier.

Regards,

Mike.

 

HMMMM, I AM NOT SURE

PROBABLY YOU ARE CORRECT, BUT I HAVE TO EXAMINE IT FURTHER.

NICE EYE!!!!!! SNIPER!!!!!

REGARDS, D.

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On 24/05/2018 at 06:35, robins2 said:

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one from my collection, hit by 303 bullet, came with rifle in background

 

EXCELLENT!!!!!

GONGRATS FOR THIS, A WITNESS OF BRUTALITY DURING WAR WORLD 1.....

REGARDS, D.

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On 27/05/2018 at 19:18, MikeyH said:

D.

The Berthier.

Regards,

Mike.

 

MIKE

YOU ARE CORRECT

IS A BULLET HIT INDEED...

WELL DONNE!!!!!!

REGARDS, D.

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On 24/05/2018 at 06:35, robins2 said:

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one from my collection, hit by 303 bullet, came with rifle in background

 

EXCELLENT!!!!!

GONGRATS FOR THIS, A WITNESS OF BRUTALITY DURING WAR WORLD 1.....

REGARDS, D.

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2 steps machined down the brass hilt, to fit the gewehr 88

steel extention to the leafe spring  added

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this modification was made to fit the gewehr M/71

brass hilt cut in one step 44 mm from the back of the hilt to a depth of 3 mm

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on this modification, the complete back of the brass hilt, machined down to a depth of 0,8 mm,

the hilt drilled and fitted with  a steel extention to the press button. 

 

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9 hours ago, zuluwar2006 said:

this modification was made to fit the gewehr M/71

brass hilt cut in one step 44 mm from the back of the hilt to a depth of 3 mm

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Now that IS interesting... A 'high-eared' Chassepot! I was looking into the origin of the 'high ears' on the early 98/02's and 98/05's and I had an idea that it was developed from the practice of cutting-of muzzle rings to fit the barrel of a Gew 98.... This looks as if it might be supporting evidence for the idea. 

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A MOSIN NAGANT RUSSIAN 1891 BAYONET WITH AN ERSATZ GERMAN SHEATH AND IMPERIAL GERMAN OWNMARK, WITH IMPERIAL GERMAN EAGLE.1189451770_MOSINNAGANT1.jpg.5035797bba367df57c62183316d01c5c.jpg1113753480_MOSINNAGANT2.jpg.cc871baa81286d1cf46cb7911e205d6f.jpg268929660_MOSINNAGANT3.jpg.199dbdc25ffbdbee3f2c075820db90ce.jpg

 

 

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I have seen several of these in Turkey, many with the same type of scabbard, but none marked with the Eagle or 'DEUTSCHLAND'...

 

Photographs show Ottoman soldiers 'somewhere in Anatolia' with M-N rifles and bayonets, with the same type of scabbard - see: https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/261673-ottoman-soldiers-with-mosin–nagants/?tab=comments#comment-2651102, suggesting some of those captured on the Eastern European front made their way over here.

 

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a very rare saxon unit marked ersatz bayonet

100th (1st Royal Saxon) Life Grenadiers

extremely rare to found an ersatz saxon marked bayonet829214396_20180701_1327541.jpg.ad869d60e58acec0599596616b27bbea.jpg1850471363_20180701_1328021.jpg.4ddc7b6162300fd88644f13e955b5574.jpg969258255_20180701_1327542.jpg.c5717bab81b808552c36c6f1fdf5d060.jpg1444802832_20180701_1328311.jpg.969aa252e453f993a059d2e031eac32c.jpg

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ersatz made socket bayonet with a nine groove

two piece cast brass hilt held by 3 rivets

this socket has a J on the crossguard

frakfurt stamps on the brass hilt and the blade

with a Liege made socket bayonet

extremely rare ersatz socket bayonet1731050600_20180701_1252341.jpg.97560b049a6b5566c392e1874cf7c728.jpg2042675679_20180701_1252411.jpg.e1a7fb9d48c2b36a128c24e64bafd287.jpg460993657_20180701_1252521.jpg.fa08978058f24fcb3b4aa885242da662.jpg1097175170_20180701_1253171.jpg.ee5b69f16729562631a8e4df802df819.jpg1467856217_20180701_1253111.jpg.7311206f493870cd506b6115e4a8a9d8.jpg

a modified ersatz Vetterli Vittali bayonet M 180/87

on the crossguard Art.Dep.Magdb

very rare bayonet

i have 2 of them986975961_20180701_1247181.jpg.cc5515d0ad9c9806c7adb2049a41a7c3.jpg2036811263_20180701_1247271.jpg.634d3db9fd85b14150e1dc3828cb6981.jpg1810878562_20180701_1247391.jpg.7179d9fdf9e79dd1144847283152f3d6.jpg

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a very rare ersatz chassepot bayonet

converted to fit the gewehr 88 rifle.

the back of the muzzle ring, facing the hilt, milled out to a depth of 1,5 mm leaving a curve edge to the ring, which then fitted over the muzzle and against the barrel jacket.

the first 33 mm of the hilt's back, measured from the crossguard, was machined concave to match the curve of the barrel jacket.

the next 25 mm was stepped down and the last 50 mm was machined down even further, to give the T-shaped attachment groove a depth of only 6,5 mm.

These alterations allowed the crossgyard to fit the muzzle, the back of the hilt to sit close against the barrel jacket, and the pommel to slide over the gewehr 88 short attachment bar.

BUT in this case, the french press stud would still not clip into position [the french hilt was too short]. 

This problem was overcome by removing the rivet, securing the steal leaf spring  and by then cutting an aditional hole throught the brass, to take a steel extention with a new catch. 

The original press stud was ground to remove  its catch and then replaced in position with the original spring.

thus the original stud and spring were retained but operated a new catch placed closer to the pommel.

this convertion was made during  the early part of the ww1. 1987293932_chassepot1.jpg.3d7b3aa2f1e3c1b19ac41278affdc1a4.jpg1144788158_chassepot2.jpg.c9dd991958e29f6e2efe737c499ae373.jpg1271156774_chassepot3.jpg.edfa2423f2c02efd77c4139a6e5101d3.jpg

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a very rare ersatz mosin nagant M 1891 bayonet, with uit marking n the socket collar

which is stamped = 9.B.3.IX.7

9th Bataillon, 3th Company, Landstrum Infantry Regiment, IX Army Corps, weapon number 7

unit marked examples of M 1891 Mosin Nagant ersatz bayoneyts, atre extremely rare826729680_20180701_1254491.jpg.fc447d0b8956d28d3ed901a5a6bdc264.jpg1468007706_20180701_1254201.jpg.ee3b966b51d540e6dfec6b95990c1267.jpg922028639_20180701_1254331.jpg.63a8147ac702f804198fedea8d310856.jpg986975961_20180701_1247181.jpg.cc5515d0ad9c9806c7adb2049a41a7c3.jpg

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On 01/07/2018 at 16:08, zuluwar2006 said:

a very rare saxon unit marked ersatz bayonet

100th (1st Royal Saxon) Life Grenadiers

extremely rare to found an ersatz saxon marked bayonet829214396_20180701_1327541.jpg.ad869d60e58acec0599596616b27bbea.jpg1850471363_20180701_1328021.jpg.4ddc7b6162300fd88644f13e955b5574.jpg969258255_20180701_1327542.jpg.c5717bab81b808552c36c6f1fdf5d060.jpg1444802832_20180701_1328311.jpg.969aa252e453f993a059d2e031eac32c.jpg

 

What a lovely example! And great to have the original paint on the scabbard! I am way behind - by 10 months - on my unit markings data base, so this is a nice one to add when I get time to do so!

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Julian, i will post more ersatz bayonet soon on this topic.

regards, D.

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A variety of ersatz bayonets from my collection (and a bunch of Trench clubs). 

I hope you like them. 

Regards

D. 

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Amazing collection!

 

Mike.

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48 minutes ago, MikeyH said:

Amazing collection!

 

Mike.

Thank you Mike

A lot of years for collecting all those... 

I hope you like them. 

Regards. 

D. 

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2 photos with german soldiers wearing ersatz bayonets

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a very rare unit marking on ersatz bayonet

3.C.E.1.91

for Cadetten Esquadron mayebe???

a very rare undentified unit marking until today.

A similar unit markings is showing on my ww1 bayonet collection, again with an ersatz bayonet, which is photographed by Roy Williams and it is appearing on his book about ersatz bayonets.

cadetten ersatz 1.jpg

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On 16/08/2018 at 12:25, MikeyH said:

Amazing collection!

 

Mike.

 

I'll second that! Many unusual examples there and I am very impressed at the number of unit-marked examples!

 

Julian

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16 hours ago, zuluwar2006 said:

a very rare unit marking on ersatz bayonet

3.C.E.1.91

for Cadetten Esquadron mayebe???

a very rare undentified unit marking until today.

A similar unit markings is showing on my ww1 bayonet collection, again with an ersatz bayonet, which is photographed by Roy Williams and it is appearing on his book about ersatz bayonets.

cadetten ersatz 1.jpg

 

 

cadetten ersatz 4.jpg

 

 

Hmmm.... Certainly an odd one... The 1909 Regulations have only one entry for cadets, an Italic 'K' for "Kadetten (Haupt-Anstalt)'. However, one German source indicates that 'C.1' is in the Prussian 1900 Regulations for 'Kadettenhaus Waffe 1',  and 'C.1.2' in same regulations is for 'Haupt-Kadetten-Anstalt, 1 Kompagnie, Waffe 2'. 'E' in the 1909 Regulations is used for 'Eskadron'. Question I cannot answer is - did the Prussian Cadet Schools have a cavalry section? 

 

Julian

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