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seaJane

Here is a cropped version run through a filter, just for interest. Sending the main images in a little while.

 

sJ

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WyS

The picture is fantastic SJ, thank you so very much for highlighting it. 

Only a few more midshipmen and Naval Instructor William Hartley left to find.

 

Best wishes, Wendy 

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WyS

Here is the current list of names who's images have been found (alphabetical) -

 

Henry Abbott John Adams Frederick Aldridge James Allwright Albert Apps Wallace Archer Harold Armitage John Aspinall Hatfield Back Alexander Baird Alfred Baker Albert Ball Frederick Barlow Samuel Barnard William Barras Enoch Barton Ernest Bean Joseph Beeson William Belcher Norman Bell William Bennett Frederick Bolden Charles Bond John Brideoak Charles Bridgeman Samuel Brown William Brown Frederick Brownjohn Charles Bugg Edward Bullock Edward Bunn William Bunn Albert Bushell Robert Butler George Butterick Alfred Buttle William Cadman Joseph Callaghan George W Chapman Albert Clark William Clarke Wilfred Clarkson William Clent Robert Cochrane William Cockerill Albert Collinson Christopher Cooke George FT Coombs Harry Cooper Wiilam Cory Reginald Court Edmund Cox Oscar Cox John Cullivan Neil Currie Arthur De Segundo George Deadman/Dodman James Dennis Albert Denton John Devine Harold Dexter James Dick Oliver Dickinson William Dicks George Diwell Albert Dockrill John Duckmanton Alan Duke Evelyn R D Dunbar Elias Dymock Henry Eaton Frederick Edgeworth Reginald Elgood Walter Ellis Kyosuke Eto Reginald Evans Benjamin Fitchett Thomas Flaherty Charles Fox Percy Franklin Frederick Freeman Gilbert Fuller Reginald Gander James Gapes Walter Giles Patrick Graham Alick Gray Walter Greenaway Samuel Hammersley William Hammersley Thomas Hammond John Hand Gerald Harrison William Harvey Walter Hattersley Henry Hawkins William Hawthorn Thomas Hildebrand William Hobbs James Hodges John Hollidge William Hopkins Robert Houston Henry Howard Edward Hunter Frederick Hutchings Herbert Jaquest Arthur Jarvis Charles Johnson Daniel Jones Richard Jones Robert Jones John Jordan Owen Judge Albert Langham Harry Lanham Albert Lewis Arthur Link Maurice Linnett Alastair Lisle William Long Walter Lord Archibald Luck Clarence Luckhurst William Luckhurst Patrick Lynagh John MacDonald William MacDonald Percy Mackrell Henry Maddock Frederick Marshall Arthur Martin John Mason Albert Mates Claude Mauleverer Joseph McCraken Malcolm McDonald Samuel McIlvenny Walter Medhurst Henry Metcalf Harry Miles Percy Millen Horace Milton Albert Morris Arthur Mummery Harry Munday Hugh Murray Albert Netley Noel Newnham Steuart Ogilvie William Orr Alfred Page Alfred Palmer John Parsons Henry Pearson Edward Peirson Herbert Pestell George Plaice Frank Pollard Frank Poole Harold Prince Edward Rayner William Reid William G Reid George Ross Edmond Sayer William Seal Harry Silver Alfred Sinden Charles Sinden George Skinner George Smail Ernest G Smith Richard M Smith John Solley Oscar Stoehr Ernest Stolton Harold Stoneham Thomas Storey William Storkey Edward Sully Edward Surridge Victor Taylor Frederick Teucher Horace Thomas Reginald Thomas Charles Thompson Alfred Thomson Walter Thorp Robert Thorpe Alfred Tidmarsh Tom Turnpenny Frederick Tutty Sidney Upcher Robert Valentine Francis Veal Reginald Ventham James Vincent John Vitou George Walsh William Walter John Warne William Warne Roland Waterhouse Andrew Watson Harry Webster Arthur Wells Frederick Wevill Fred Whittaker Edwin Wilcocks James Wilder Charles Willard Owen Williams Arthur Wilson Frederick Witheridge Robert Woodhouse Albert Woodward Henry Yates

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Echohawk

I'm not sure if this is of any help, but my Great Grandfather Harry Oram was on a ship that was sunk, he was one of two survivors as the story goes.  However I can't find what ship he was on.  When I looked for ones with only two survivors, I stumbled across this HMS Vanguard topic, and a few others that it might have been.  I will include a picture of the officers and engineers, if anyone could tell me if I'm on the right track. or if anyone knows what the HMY. 2322 was renamed to, that would also help. Image157.jpg.1c09510dfbec8eeca066474ddada38cf.jpg

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WyS

Hi Echohawk, great picture!

 

Looking at the rear of the postcard, it looks like HMT rather than HMY, so could be a trawler, rather than a yacht. 

 

What was your G Grandfather's full name and DOB, I've had a quick look for service records, but can't pinpoint at the moment. 

His surname is not one of the two survivors of the Vanguard explosion...there were around 90 crew who were not on ship at the time, due to shore leave, transfers and some of the crew being aboard a theatre ship earlier that evening. 

Many thanks, WyS

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Acknown

I've just come across this thread and, should a photo turn up, my interest is J/52985 Boy 1st Class Frederick Ernest WATERMAN, who died on Vanguard. He was aged 16.

Acknown

I should have said, I have his personal and naval details. It's just a photograph I'm after.

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WyS
7 minutes ago, Acknown said:

 It's just a photograph I'm after.

Same here! If I discover one I will be in contact, hopefully you would contact me if you ever do find one first? 

Cheers, WyS

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Acknown

WyS - Of course!

Best wishes,

Acknown

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WyS

Thank you Acknown👍

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VJLuke

Hi, 

I noticed that said you have a photo of my Great Uncle Reginald Ventham on a post. I was wondering if you could give me a copy as we don't have one in our family. My grandfather was his younger brother and Reggie was the oldest of six boys. I would really appreciate seeing the photo and sharing it with my relatives. Thank you 

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WyS

Absolutely - if you would like to pm your email address, I will send you the image...good to hear from another relation of the Vanguard crew!

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Samantha Ford

Hello - from your list above I notice you have found a picture of my great grandfather, Thomas Hildebrand.  I am just pulling together our family tree and sadly no living person could tell me about the Vanguard and knew very little of Thomas and his life, the story went that he was in WWI and was torpedoed but nobody knew for sure - the story I am uncovering is so interesting and myself and my mother (his granddaughter) are so sorry we have not done this soon er to have been able to travel to Scapa Flow in 2017 for centenary memorial sevice.  If you could send me a copy of the photo you have for him that would wonderful and extremely kind.

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WyS

HI Samantha - I have sent you an email.  Please check all your boxes.

 

Many thanks, Wendy

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Ron Clifton

Hello Wendy

 

One of the casualties, Christopher Cooke, is commemorated on the war memorial in my church. Here are some notes on him which I compiled five years ago:

Name:    COOKE, CHRISTOPHER ARTHUR GRESHAM
Initials:    C A G
Nationality:    United Kingdom
Rank:    Midshipman
Regiment/Service:    Royal Navy
Unit Text:    H.M.S. "Vanguard."
Age:    18
Date of Death:    09/07/1917
Additional information:    Son of Arthur Cooke, F.R.C.S., and Lucy Vivien Cooke, of Grove Lodge, Cambridge.
Casualty Type:    Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference:    20.
Memorial:    CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL


Midshipman Cooke was lost when the battleship HMS Vanguard was destroyed by an internal explosion on 9 July 1917. Whilst sabotage was suspected, the eventual conclusion was that a magazine had exploded owing to overheating, or possibly a fire, in an adjacent coal bunker.

 

In 1914 Midshipman Cooke had been lucky to escape the sinking of the three old cruisers, HMS Aboukir, Cressy and Hogue by a German U-Boat. He was on board the Aboukir when it was torpedoed but was rescued by a merchant trawler, the Coriander.

His parents were to lose another son, his brother Nicholas Gresham Cooke, in the Second World War.

 

His father was a surgeon and the family home, Grove Lodge, is almost opposite the old Addenbrookes Hospital in Trumpington Street, Cambridge. It was tragic that neither Christopher nor his brother Nicholas (killed whilst in the RAF covering the retreat to Dunkirk) has a known grave.

 

Ron

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Tavern Druid
On 25/01/2018 at 12:52, WyS said:

Hi

I am working on a project to find a photograph of all crew members lost aboard HMS Vanguard when she exploded in 1917.

 

My Great Uncle was one of those killed and one of the photos I have of him shows him in his Marine uniform with another chap.  I have no idea who he is and this inspired me to find out and expand my search to find the face of ALL those killed that tragic evening.

 

Since beginning this quest in July 2017, after attending the Centenary Commemoration in Orkney, I have found 175 pictures (out of 843).   I have been lucky enough to have some extra help from BBC Radio Orkney who wrote a piece about my project.  Now I just have to make this know as far and wide as possible to make contact with relatives of the crew.  If you know of a photo or can help spread the word in any way (radio, newspaper etc)  I would love to hear from you.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-orkney-shetland-42341653

 

Many thanks, WyS

Hi

Just come across you post .

There is a picture of John William Woods RMLI number CH/265(S) in a book called

Dartford and the Great War by Gethyn J Rees page 194.

There is no publisher or publication date in the book and the book must now be out of print.

the printers were DWS Print Service Ltd,  but I think they were disloved in 2015 according to Companies House.

Just spotted one on AbeBooks for £48 !!!

 

The picture probaly came from the local Dartford Newspapers.

But these dont seem to be online although BNA are promising to put them online

 

best wishes

David

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WyS
On 10/03/2019 at 19:56, Ron Clifton said:

Hello Wendy

 

One of the casualties, Christopher Cooke, is commemorated on the war memorial in my church. Here are some notes on him which I compiled five years ago:

Name:    COOKE, CHRISTOPHER ARTHUR GRESHAM
Initials:    C A G
Nationality:    United Kingdom
Rank:    Midshipman
Regiment/Service:    Royal Navy
Unit Text:    H.M.S. "Vanguard."
Age:    18
Date of Death:    09/07/1917
Additional information:    Son of Arthur Cooke, F.R.C.S., and Lucy Vivien Cooke, of Grove Lodge, Cambridge.
Casualty Type:    Commonwealth War Dead
Grave/Memorial Reference:    20.
Memorial:    CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL


Midshipman Cooke was lost when the battleship HMS Vanguard was destroyed by an internal explosion on 9 July 1917. Whilst sabotage was suspected, the eventual conclusion was that a magazine had exploded owing to overheating, or possibly a fire, in an adjacent coal bunker.

 

In 1914 Midshipman Cooke had been lucky to escape the sinking of the three old cruisers, HMS Aboukir, Cressy and Hogue by a German U-Boat. He was on board the Aboukir when it was torpedoed but was rescued by a merchant trawler, the Coriander.

His parents were to lose another son, his brother Nicholas Gresham Cooke, in the Second World War.

 

His father was a surgeon and the family home, Grove Lodge, is almost opposite the old Addenbrookes Hospital in Trumpington Street, Cambridge. It was tragic that neither Christopher nor his brother Nicholas (killed whilst in the RAF covering the retreat to Dunkirk) has a known grave.

 

Ron

Hi Ron, apologies for the slow acknowledgement, always lots to do!

 

Thank you for the information on Christopher Cooke, it has filled some gaps in my notes and is most appreciated.

Thank you and best wishes, Wendy

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WyS
3 hours ago, Tavern Druid said:

Hi

Just come across you post .

There is a picture of John William Woods RMLI number CH/265(S) in a book called

Dartford and the Great War by Gethyn J Rees page 194.

There is no publisher or publication date in the book and the book must now be out of print.

the printers were DWS Print Service Ltd,  but I think they were disloved in 2015 according to Companies House.

Just spotted one on AbeBooks for £48 !!!

 

The picture probaly came from the local Dartford Newspapers.

But these dont seem to be online although BNA are promising to put them online

 

best wishes

David

Hi David, thank you so much, that's brilliant....I luckily have a lovely lady visit the British Library for me so will get her to check if any of your references are available there....even if a photo is unobtainable at present, at least it's whereabouts are known! 

Can't thank you enough!

Best wishes, Wendy. 

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TerriBrand1
On ‎20‎/‎10‎/‎2018 at 09:07, WyS said:

Henry Pearson

Hi, I've been researching my family on my mother's side and my 1st Cousin, Henry Pearson was one of the men who died in the explosion. I would appreciate any help with what his actual job was on the ship. He was only 24 years old and classed as an A.B. which I understand, stands for able seaman rather than ordinary? I do not have any photos of him.Hope you may be able to help me. Thank you in anticipation.

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horatio2
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24 minutes ago, TerriBrand1 said:

I would appreciate any help with what his actual job was on the ship.

 I am afraid it is not possible to state his employment (e.g. part of ship and action station), other than the general seaman's duties required of any Able Seaman.

As to an image, the OP, Wendy (WyS) may have been lucky.

As an aside, he had a poor record of discipline, being sentenced to cells and detention barracks for offences including desertion.

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PRC
Posted (edited)
38 minutes ago, TerriBrand1 said:

Hi, I've been researching my family on my mother's side and my 1st Cousin, Henry Pearson was one of the men who died in the explosion. I would appreciate any help with what his actual job was on the ship. He was only 24 years old and classed as an A.B. which I understand, stands for able seaman rather than ordinary? I do not have any photos of him.Hope you may be able to help me. Thank you in anticipation.

I don't know if you have seen it, but his Register of Seamans Services record can be previewed at the National Archive and shows every ship and shore estatblishment he served on since joining as a Boy Sailor on the 11th December 1909, and his progression through the ranks.

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D6858645

 

The preview versions has watermarks, which you can remove by paying for a download. However the same document is available via Ancestry, if you have a subscription. If you don't have a subscription, Ancestry offer free trials, plus if you are in the UK most public libraries have free access so could be worth checking out.

 

The Register doesn't give details of his role but the absence of specialist or trade awards is probably a good indicator that he was a jack of all trades rather than assigned a specific job.

 

Hope that helps,

Peter

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TerriBrand1

Hi Peter, Thank you for your information, very much appreciated. I've never used the National Archives before, so probably now is the time to start. Thank you

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Michael Deadman

Good evening everyone

 

I have recently started work on the Deadman family tree, or at least that part of the Deadman clan from North west Kent.  George Deadman RMLI, on board HMS Vanguard when she exploded, was my grandfather's brother.  His parents, Absalom and Mary had previously lost Thomas Reginald at Ypres (commemorated at the Menin Gate memorial).  Mary's father Bryan Judge had previously served in the RMLI and perhaps served as a role model for his grandson.

 

I understand that a second Deadman (boy) was also lost on HMS Vanguard but know nothing about him.  I also understand that a photo collection of crew members has been assembled.   Is there a link so that I might see the picture of George and the other Deadman casualty? 

 

All best regards

 

Mike Deadman 

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seaJane
7 hours ago, Michael Deadman said:

 

I understand that a second Deadman (boy) was also lost on HMS Vanguard but know nothing about him.  

According to CWGC that would be Alfred Sydney Deadman, 17, whose parents lived in Worthing.

https://www.cwgc.org/find-war-dead/casualty/3040867/deadman,-alfred-sydney/

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jacks

Hello

 

I have a copy of a newspaper report for George Deadman. Please PM me if you would like a copy.

 

Jacks

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Michael Deadman

Hello Jacks

I would really welcome a copy of the newspaper report for George Deadman.  Please let me know how to contact directly. 

Thanks

Mike Deadman 

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