Triumph2000 Posted 5 November , 2016 Author Share Posted 5 November , 2016 8 hours ago, The Inspector said: Hi Ben So he was born 10th Feb 1889 6 Peel St., Morley? Regards Barry Yep, that's him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph2000 Posted 5 November , 2016 Author Share Posted 5 November , 2016 (edited) 8 hours ago, IPT said: I've managed to waste some time, and discover nothing. Still, it keeps me off the streets and out of trouble. If it's of any interest, almost all the men below transferred from cyclist battalions. The first 70 or so were from Yorkshire. After that, they're from the North Midlands. I suppose the fact that none of the casualties attended the dinner supports the idea that it was a victory celebration? ==== I've learned a lot, so thank you. If they're all 18 KLR men on the postcard, then for me this makes a victory celebration less likely, as Laurence was wounded 31st July 1917 (battle of Pilckem Ridge) and sent home soon thereafter. By the time of the armistice he was already in the Labour Corps. Unless of course, Laurence wasn't there either (his writing isn't on the card), and was sent/given this by his old mates? Still planning to trawl through the war diary this weekend, hopefully that'll narrow it down. Edited 5 November , 2016 by Triumph2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWF1967 Posted 5 November , 2016 Share Posted 5 November , 2016 Perhaps a C*******s menu. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BereniceUK Posted 5 November , 2016 Share Posted 5 November , 2016 7 hours ago, Triumph2000 said: Unless of course, Laurence wasn't there either (his writing isn't on the card), and was sent/given this by his old mates? Still planning to trawl through the war diary this weekend, hopefully that'll narrow it down. Sgt. L. W. Waring's name looks to be separate from the other names, and at 90 degrees to them, as if he was the addressee, so, as you say, perhaps it was to be forwarded to him, but in an envelope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph2000 Posted 6 November , 2016 Author Share Posted 6 November , 2016 (edited) Thanks for all contributions so far. I've been doing some more searching this weekend, and I think so far we have (top to bottom on the card): 1. G Sutton "Sammy". MAYBE 16999 18 KLR Company Sergeant Major. (could "Sammy" have been slang for Sergeant Major? Or American soldier?) 2. R. E. Pavey? 3. N. Kiteley? 4. J or T Rickman? 5. Horace James Pugh, Sgt 16265 18 KLR. KIA 31/07/1917 6. C. Fletcher? 7. Leonard Conolly, Sgt 57831 18 KLR (later 20 KLR and 17 KLR, formerly 1795 London Regiment). KIA 01/05/1918 (with 17 KLR). Commemorated at Tyne Cot 8. Percy Welborn, Sgt 57611 18 KLR. Awarded the MM 9. Cecil Hamilton Charteris Ure, Sgt 16687 18 KLR (later 2/LT) 10. Arthur Edward Burt, Sgt 57502 18 KLR. KIA 31/07/1917 11. William Holmes, Sgt 57597 18 KLR (later 2/LT York and Lancaster Regiment) 12. Jeffrey James Smith, Sgt 29181 18 KLR (later 2/LT) 13. MAYBE Lionel F Mason, Sgt 33857 18 KLR. Awarded the MM 14. MAYBE Thomas Watson, Sgt 36217 18 KLR 15. George Clarke Watson, Sgt 235271 18 KLR 16. No idea on this one - F or G Warvall? I'm stuck on those in italics. Any advance on the above? Date wise, as one of the above was KIA on 1st May 18, and two more on 31st July 17, it must be before that! Thanks again for all the help. Edited 3 February , 2021 by Triumph2000 Date correction for L Conolly death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 6 November , 2016 Share Posted 6 November , 2016 (edited) 2 hours ago, Triumph2000 said: Thanks for all contributions so far. I've been doing some more searching this weekend, and I think so far we have (top to bottom on the card): 3. N. Kiteley? Or Kitching or Hitching ? 4. J or T Rickman? Or Rickm...son 6. C. Fletcher? Or A. Fletcher 16. No idea on this one - F or G Warvall? or Hewall or Kewall? 16. How about one of these: Record Frank Newall The King's (Liverpool) Regiment 12872 View Record Frederick Newall The King's (Liverpool) Regiment 25788 Edited 6 November , 2016 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph2000 Posted 6 November , 2016 Author Share Posted 6 November , 2016 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said: 16. No idea on this one - F or G Warvall? or Hewall or Kewall? Ah! Perhaps Frederick C. Newall, Sgt 25788 18 KLR. KIA 02/08/1917 Edited 6 November , 2016 by Triumph2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 6 November , 2016 Share Posted 6 November , 2016 4) View Record Tom Rickinson The King's (Liverpool) Regiment 235272 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph2000 Posted 6 November , 2016 Author Share Posted 6 November , 2016 2 minutes ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said: 4) View Record Tom Rickinson The King's (Liverpool) Regiment 235272 Rickinson looks spot on! Another Sergeant too. Thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 6 November , 2016 Share Posted 6 November , 2016 (edited) Lots of A or C Fletchers though: View Record A Fletcher The King's (Liverpool) Regiment, 5th Liverpool Regiment(Territorial Forces) 5535, N/81 View Record A H Fletcher The King's (Liverpool) Regiment View Record A H Fletcher The King's (Liverpool) Regiment View Record A H Fletcher The King's (Liverpool) Regiment View Record A Henry Fletcher The King's (Liverpool) Regiment, Labour Corps 43584, 47922 View Record Abraham Fletcher The King's (Liverpool) Regiment 88268 View Record Albert Fletcher The King's (Liverpool) Regiment, Labour Corps 71611, 46944 View Record Albert R Fletcher The King's (Liverpool) Regiment, Labour Corps, Notts and Derby (Sherwood Foresters) Regiment 62817, 40959, 103950 View Record Alexander E Fletcher The King's (Liverpool) Regiment 15799 View Record Alfred Fletcher The King's (Liverpool) Regiment, Labour Corps, The King's (Liverpool) Regiment 57603, 530711, 89443 View Record Alfred Fletcher The King's (Liverpool) Regiment 202548 View Record Alfred P Fletcher North Staffordshire (Prince of Wales's) Regiment, The King's (Liverpool) Regiment 34981, 350033 View Record Arnald Fletcher The King's (Liverpool) Regiment 7963, 269285 View Record Arthur Fletcher The King's (Liverpool) Regiment 16009 View Record Arthur Fletcher The King's (Liverpool) Regiment 24656 View Record Arthur Fletcher D of Welsh Regiment, The King's (Liverpool) Regiment, Lancashire Fusiliers 11/14114, 11/14114, 11/14114 View Record Arthur Fletcher East Lancashire Regiment, Army Service Corps, The King's (Liverpool) Regiment 39944, T4/161400, TR3/6024 View Record Charles Fletcher The King's (Liverpool) Regiment 54317 View Record Charles Fletcher The King's (Liverpool) Regiment 308709 View Record Charles Fletcher The Royal Welsh (Welch) Fusiliers, The King's (Liverpool) Regiment 29104, 92736 View Record Charles E Fletcher The King's (Liverpool) Regiment 108300 View Record Charles H Fletcher The King's (Liverpool) Regiment, North Staffordshire (Prince of Wales's) Regiment 9208, 68291 View Record Charles W Fletcher The King's (Liverpool) Regiment 357998 View Record Chas E Fletcher The King's (Liverpool) Regiment, Labour Corps 55333, 41536 View Record Clement Fletcher The King's (Liverpool) Regiment 307889 Edited 6 November , 2016 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 6 November , 2016 Share Posted 6 November , 2016 (edited) No3) Search for Surname = "Kit*", First initial ="N" View Record Nathan Kitching The King's (Liverpool) Regiment 235273 (Next number along to Rickinson (No4)!) Edited 6 November , 2016 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph2000 Posted 6 November , 2016 Author Share Posted 6 November , 2016 3 minutes ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said: No3) Search for Surname = "Kit*", First initial ="N" View Record Nathan Kitching The King's (Liverpool) Regiment 235273 (Next number along to Rickinson (No4)!) Excellent, thanks. Looks like a very good bet. I hadn't had much luck with wildcard searches - seems I should have tried harder! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph2000 Posted 6 November , 2016 Author Share Posted 6 November , 2016 I reckon this could be Robert Evan Parry, Sgt 17158 18 KLR. Another one KIA 31/07/1917 He has a surviving service record, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 6 November , 2016 Share Posted 6 November , 2016 (edited) This group has taken an enormous number of casualties. Do you have a link to Parry's SR on Ancestry- I can't find it! Edit. Got it, His regiment is indexed as KLCB Edit. Edit.Yes, that's his signature! Edited 6 November , 2016 by Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BereniceUK Posted 6 November , 2016 Share Posted 6 November , 2016 (edited) 6 hours ago, Triumph2000 said: Thanks for all contributions so far. I've been doing some more searching this weekend, and I think so far we have (top to bottom on the card): 1. G Sutton "Sammy". MAYBE 16999 18 KLR Company Sergeant Major. (could "Sammy" have been slang for Sergeant Major? Or American soldier?) 2. R. E. Pavey? 3. N. Kiteley? 4. J or T Rickman? 5. Horace James Pugh, Sgt 16265 18 KLR. KIA 31/07/1917 6. C. Fletcher? 7. Leonard Conolly, Sgt 57831 18 KLR (later 20 KLR and 17 KLR, formerly 1795 London Regiment). KIA 01/05/1917 (with 17 KLR). Commemorated at Tyne Cot 8. Percy Welborn, Sgt 57611 18 KLR. Awarded the MM 9. Cecil Hamilton Charteris Ure, Sgt 16687 18 KLR (later 2/LT) 10. Arthur Edward Burt, Sgt 57502 18 KLR. KIA 31/07/1917 11. William Holmes, Sgt 57597 18 KLR (later 2/LT York and Lancaster Regiment) 12. Jeffrey James Smith, Sgt 29181 18 KLR (later 2/LT) 13. MAYBE Lionel F Mason, Sgt 33857 18 KLR. Awarded the MM 14. MAYBE Thomas Watson, Sgt 36217 18 KLR 15. George Clarke Watson, Sgt 235271 18 KLR 16. No idea on this one - F or G Warvall? I'm stuck on those in italics. Any advance on the above? Date wise, as one of the above was KIA on 1st May 17, and two more on 31st July 17, it must be before that! Thanks again for all the help. The S in 'Sutton' and "Sammy" are different. I'd suggest that "Sammy" is a separate name. A. Fletcher? Edited 6 November , 2016 by BereniceUK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dai Bach y Sowldiwr Posted 6 November , 2016 Share Posted 6 November , 2016 10 minutes ago, BereniceUK said: The S in 'Sutton' and "Sammy" are different. I'd suggest that "Sammy" is a separate name. Yes, I think you're right. 10 minutes ago, BereniceUK said: A. Fletcher? Yes, could be Alfred (see post #35 above, his number of 57603 is compatible with some others. Mind you, so are Alexander ( 15799 ) and Arthur ( 16009 ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph2000 Posted 7 November , 2016 Author Share Posted 7 November , 2016 (edited) 13 hours ago, BereniceUK said: The S in 'Sutton' and "Sammy" are different. I'd suggest that "Sammy" is a separate name. Thanks. I agree. On that basis he'll be difficult to identify, but I'll look for 18 KLR Sergeants called Sam, Sammy, Samuel etc. Regarding A Fletcher, probably too many possible candidates to be able to identify this one, I guess. Although as Alfred Fletcher is only 3 numbers away from Laurence (57603 versus 57606) I could be persuaded that it's him. Edited 7 November , 2016 by Triumph2000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph2000 Posted 7 November , 2016 Author Share Posted 7 November , 2016 13 hours ago, Dai Bach y Sowldiwr said: This group has taken an enormous number of casualties. Do you have a link to Parry's SR on Ancestry- I can't find it! Edit. Got it, His regiment is indexed as KLCB Edit. Edit.Yes, that's his signature! Sorry - you beat me to it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pollexfen Posted 10 February , 2019 Share Posted 10 February , 2019 Here is some information about one of the individuals which I have recorded on "Lives". https://livesofthefirstworldwar.org/lifestory/3616475#timeline His papers in Ancestry show him at Home until 06.11.1915 and again between Home 27.06.1916 to 27.02.1917. Have to been able to more closely pin down the date of the event? Best wishes Alun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph2000 Posted 12 February , 2019 Author Share Posted 12 February , 2019 On 10/02/2019 at 08:22, Pollexfen said: Here is some information about one of the individuals which I have recorded on "Lives". https://livesofthefirstworldwar.org/lifestory/3616475#timeline His papers in Ancestry show him at Home until 06.11.1915 and again between Home 27.06.1916 to 27.02.1917. Have to been able to more closely pin down the date of the event? Best wishes Alun Hi Alun, many thanks for this. As it happens, I'm the other contributor to that Lives entry :-) Yes - according to the 18KLR war diary, these chaps were billeted in Tournehem during July 1917, so that dates the card very nicely. This was presumably for a bit of R&R (?) before things kicked off at Ypres on 31st July - the day Horace Pugh was killed, and my Great Grandad was wounded. All the best Ben Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph2000 Posted 11 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 11 July , 2021 Here is Cecil Hamilton Charteris Ure’s identity bracelet next to the card he signed - perhaps for the first time since July 1917: Some of the thrupenny bits on the chain are later additions as they post-date the war - they range in date from 1897-1940. Presumably a good luck charm? No idea. Thanks again to Carmel for spotting it for sale, I’m delighted to have it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mancpal Posted 11 July , 2021 Share Posted 11 July , 2021 what a result ! Well spotted Carmel. This thread has inspired me to dig out my grandads pow postcards with which I will begin a new thread. From memory there are a couple of group photos with the names of the subjects on the rear, Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Triumph2000 Posted 11 July , 2021 Author Share Posted 11 July , 2021 3 minutes ago, mancpal said: what a result ! Well spotted Carmel. This thread has inspired me to dig out my grandads pow postcards with which I will begin a new thread. From memory there are a couple of group photos with the names of the subjects on the rear, Simon Excellent, I look forward to reading 👍 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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