Lammy Posted 11 June , 2021 Share Posted 11 June , 2021 I also have a Chapman 6 15 Reissued twice in 21 and 37 I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lammy Posted 11 June , 2021 Share Posted 11 June , 2021 Has a lot of character with nicks in blade. Signs of sharpining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 12 June , 2021 Author Share Posted 12 June , 2021 Lammy, Thanks for posting this one. Does it have the clearance hole in the pommel? Regards, JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lammy Posted 14 June , 2021 Share Posted 14 June , 2021 Yes it does.! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t.ryan Posted 15 April Share Posted 15 April (edited) JMB, Just bringing your JAC/Chapman bayonet project forward to see where it is at. I bid on a JAC last night (missed out) but had been checking out earlier posts on same gathering information on markings etc., and came across this post, so thought I would rejuvenate it and add a few extra photos of dates I had gathered. There are probably a few more numbers on the post since you last updated the list but I know you enjoy updating lists so will leave them up to you. I have a Chapman 11/17 but it would be well after the chance over date. I do not recall seeing a JAC after 3/16 so far. The nice 9/08 Hookie. belongs to a forum member and other 3 sold on the Bay. Cheers, TR Edited 15 April by t.ryan Add extra info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcb9022 Posted 15 April Share Posted 15 April Hi everyone I'm probably a bit late to the party but here's the Chapman bayonet that I have. It's in poor condition and seems to have replacement wooden grips, they're a very light coloured wood and don't resemble any other P1907 bayonets that I have. The pommel and cross guard have at some stage been painted black, the blade is slightly bent in several directions and it seems to have been sharpened at some stage but looks like it has been done a long while ago. It doesn't have a scabbard and as far as I can tell it was made in April 1915. The markings are very worn but "Chapman" is still quite legible in good light. This bayonet has obviously has a rough life. Cheers Mark Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PA Chris Posted 18 April Share Posted 18 April Hello. To add to the JAC dates, I have a 4/16 and 5/16, but this one showed up on EBay last night, JAC 9/16. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Higgs Posted 19 April Share Posted 19 April My small contribution to this topic.. the bayonet is a much altered for drill purposes(?) 1903 pattern Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shippingsteel Posted 19 April Share Posted 19 April Well that is a very interesting marking ... can't say that I've ever seen a Chapman Sheffield on a P1903 before.! Sanderson Sheffield is an often seen marking and this one looks like a Sanderson so I'm not sure what's going on here. Chapman were not listed as P1903 manufacturers, however I don't see a cypher on this one so perhaps it is a commercial variant. Whatever it is it's strangely marked. Cheers, SS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Higgs Posted 19 April Share Posted 19 April There’s a barely discernible crown y’can just make out over the 1903… and there’s an N stamped by the clearance hole… Naval issue maybe?… I think this blade was actually made as a 1903 model and it’s not a converted 1888 type,my other 1903’s are converted 1888 and whichever manufacturer did the conversion their initials are stamped on the end of the pommel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shippingsteel Posted 19 April Share Posted 19 April Yes there is the Cypher so that would make it a proper service bayonet. And I would agree that it was newly made as a P1903 given the acceptance date. Chapman is just not a recognised maker of the P1903, until now maybe.? Perhaps you have got a scarce one there.! Cheers, SS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navydoc16 Posted 20 April Share Posted 20 April 22 hours ago, shippingsteel said: Yes there is the Cypher so that would make it a proper service bayonet. And I would agree that it was newly made as a P1903 given the acceptance date. Chapman is just not a recognised maker of the P1903, until now maybe.? Perhaps you have got a scarce one there.! Cheers, SS I’ve just messaged a bloke I know for some photos, I believe I have seen a Chapman 1903 before in his collection. Maybe it will have an N marking and a pattern can be struck. kind regards g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navydoc16 Posted 20 April Share Posted 20 April (edited) On 15/04/2024 at 10:45, t.ryan said: Ihave a Chapman 11/17 but it would be well after the chance over date. I do not recall seeing a JAC after 3/16 so far. Cheers, TR I have a 4-16 here in my collection, kind regards g just realised its a bit of a moot point now there is a 9-16 Edited 20 April by navydoc16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shippingsteel Posted 20 April Share Posted 20 April It seems the Chapman Sheffield P1903's are certainly a thing. Found another one here linked below, also with a very faint Cypher barely visible. https://sallyantiques.co.uk/product/superb-rare-british-1903-pattern-lee-metford-p1903-bayonet-and-scabbard/ Cheers, SS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navydoc16 Posted 20 April Share Posted 20 April (edited) @shippingsteel @JMB1943 I’m not sure if it helps or hinders you, but I dug out a whole bunch of my chapmans looking for early dates- all are late except this guy. Appears to be 10-16 i would stipulate maybe if we can find a couple early Chapmans and a couple late JAC we can make an estimated guess they changed the markings around this time kind regards g Edited 20 April by navydoc16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 20 April Author Share Posted 20 April On 19/04/2024 at 02:44, Driver Higgs said: My small contribution to this topic.. the bayonet is a much altered for drill purposes(?) 1903 pattern Driver, Unusual example, as S>S says. Many thanks for your interest, but could you start a new thread for your bayonet, so that the JAC/Chapman Patt. 07 thread does not get hijacked. Regards, JMB @shippingsteel @navydoc16 Could you respond to Driver Higgs on the new thread that he starts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navydoc16 Posted 20 April Share Posted 20 April 4 minutes ago, JMB1943 said: Driver, Unusual example, as S>S says. Many thanks for your interest, but could you start a new thread for your bayonet, so that the JAC/Chapman Patt. 07 thread does not get hijacked. Regards, JMB @shippingsteel @navydoc16 Could you respond to Driver Higgs on the new thread that he starts. ack. Kind regards, g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Driver Higgs Posted 20 April Share Posted 20 April Will do JMB1943!… I only put my Chapman 1903 up I’m declutterring at the moment, found the bayonet and in my haste to contribute I forgot the thread was about 07 bayonets!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 20 April Author Share Posted 20 April Driver, You are a scholar and a gentleman! Regards, JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMB1943 Posted 20 April Author Share Posted 20 April When I stopped recording the JAC/CHAPMAN maker name sightings about 6 yrs ago, there were CHAPMAN 28 vs JAC 16. Earliest Date Latest Date CHAPMAN 12 09 11 18 JAC 9 08 3 16 The plots below show that the two brandings co-existed from 1909 to 1916, but thereafter only JAC was recorded in the 1917-18 period. Chris PA @ 9 16 (JAC) and Navydoc @ 10 16 (CHAP) have increased the Chapman count in 1916. The earliest CHAP that I have post-1916 is 3 17, so it seems that more sightings in the late-1916 to early-1917 period are needed to pin down the month of changeover. Regards, JMB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navydoc16 Posted 20 April Share Posted 20 April (edited) I can’t really shed any light on why the change, but having a look online I thought I would mention for those following that seems to not be common information. The James Arscott Chapman (J.A.C) company which were toolmakers selling hand tools and planes pre and post war was founded by the aforementioned JAC. However J.A.C was dead by 1891, JAC had 6 children and 3 Sons, Harry, Joseph and James- Joseph passed in 1900 and Harry is undocumented. By the time of the making of that 1903s and the later 1907s the company appears to be controlled by James Chapman (no middle name). However I thought it of note that the name JAC on the bayonet is actually the father/company- and not the son. Kind regards g Edited 20 April by navydoc16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shippingsteel Posted 20 April Share Posted 20 April Here is another to boost the 1915 tally for Chapman. I also have a 4/17 Chapman and 9/17 Chapman in my drawers that can be pictured if necessary. Cheers, SS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navydoc16 Posted 20 April Share Posted 20 April 6 hours ago, shippingsteel said: Here is another to boost the 1915 tally for Chapman. I also have a 4/17 Chapman and 9/17 Chapman in my drawers that can be pictured if necessary. Cheers, SS Well that seems to be a bit of an outlier- is that the first Chapman 1915? kind regards g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navydoc16 Posted 21 April Share Posted 21 April 12-16 just showed kind regards g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
navydoc16 Posted 24 April Share Posted 24 April On 20/04/2024 at 20:51, shippingsteel said: It seems the Chapman Sheffield P1903's are certainly a thing. Found another one here linked below, also with a very faint Cypher barely visible. https://sallyantiques.co.uk/product/superb-rare-british-1903-pattern-lee-metford-p1903-bayonet-and-scabbard/ Cheers, SS I didn’t see the new thread and I didn’t want to hijack so I just wanted to share this - Roses book book 12” of steel kind regards g Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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