Philip Bryer Posted 16 January , 2014 Share Posted 16 January , 2014 My wife's grandfather, Leslie Arthur White - pictured in uniform - enlisted for WW1, but we have been unable to establish exactly with whom he served. Probably living in Buckhurst Hill, Essex. Suggestions gratefully received. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anthony osborne Posted 16 January , 2014 Share Posted 16 January , 2014 Machine Gun Corps perhaps? Do you know his service number - that would be a big help. Date of birth would help too. Ant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Michelle Young Posted 16 January , 2014 Admin Share Posted 16 January , 2014 He certainly looks under age! Michelle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyneside Chinaman Posted 16 January , 2014 Share Posted 16 January , 2014 Hi, I think you will find he is Volunteer Training Corps. regards John Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralphjd Posted 16 January , 2014 Share Posted 16 January , 2014 Looks like the cap badge of the School of Musketry. Could be wrong tas been known. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Graham Stewart Posted 16 January , 2014 Share Posted 16 January , 2014 Believe it to be Norfolk Volunteer Regiment - a photo and badge recently appeared on the Badge Collectors Forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wulfrik-the-wanderer Posted 17 January , 2014 Share Posted 17 January , 2014 Believe it to be Norfolk Volunteer Regiment - a photo and badge recently appeared on the Badge Collectors Forum. interesting to note the different coloured epaulets and collar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scalyback Posted 17 January , 2014 Share Posted 17 January , 2014 Given the size of the belt this chap is underage. Not a bantam or "underage" they tended to be bigger lads that could get away with under age drinking as such. NVR bores out, did this unit have a cadet corp? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackblue Posted 17 January , 2014 Share Posted 17 January , 2014 Shoulder titles appear to say NVOL....any chance of an enlargement? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max7474 Posted 17 January , 2014 Share Posted 17 January , 2014 He is Norfolk Volunteers VTC and they had a cadet branch which ties up with his age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Bryer Posted 28 January , 2014 Author Share Posted 28 January , 2014 Thanks to everyone for their input. Much appreciated Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk regt man Posted 2 February , 2014 Share Posted 2 February , 2014 Hi Philip, have you had any luck finding out which unit your wifes grandfather was in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk regt man Posted 2 February , 2014 Share Posted 2 February , 2014 Philip, I think the shoulder title has the following on it N VOLUNTEER R, as I have a photo of a chap wearing the same cap badge, and you can just see the last two Rs on his shoulder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk regt man Posted 2 February , 2014 Share Posted 2 February , 2014 Philip, I think the shoulder title has the following on it N VOLUNTEER R, as I have a photo of a chap wearing the same cap badge, and you can just see the last two Rs on his shoulder. also have a look at the post by angle iron on Norfolk vtc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ANGLE IRON Posted 12 February , 2014 Share Posted 12 February , 2014 Do you have any evidence that he was working in the City at this time? Kevin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Bryer Posted 18 February , 2014 Author Share Posted 18 February , 2014 No evidence that he was working in the City. Born in Hackney though, and lived in the Walthamstow area. No indication that he lived anywhere but London. N Volunteer R sounds interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 18 February , 2014 Share Posted 18 February , 2014 The Volunteer Regiments were eventually absorbed by their regular counterparts. It is interesting to note that the collar and shoulder straps of his 1902 pattern service dress have been covered in a coloured cloth of some kind to give a form of 'facing' colour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sepoy Posted 18 February , 2014 Share Posted 18 February , 2014 In my view he is clearly a member of the Norfolk Volunteer Regiment Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk regt man Posted 19 February , 2014 Share Posted 19 February , 2014 In my view he is clearly a member of the Norfolk Volunteer Regiment Hi Sepoy, I should explain, for a very long time , Norfolk Regiment badge collectors have never been able to find a picture, a pattern, or any other ref that this badge was worn by them. There are two badge books that state this is there badge, one book used the other as notes. Norfolk volunteers have about 6 badges worn the in first world war, all of them have a Norfolk device on them, except one, which has the letters NVR. Luckly the NVR uniform belonged to a famous Norfolk man, so there are some great photos of him, and his grandson still has his uniform, which is on display in his granddads old shooting shop. As far as I know , these are the key points we need to think about, No one has a shoulder title like the one in both photos. No one has a photo of this unit. other than the two I have seen. every Norfolk collector has this badge because one book, may have taken a guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sepoy Posted 19 February , 2014 Share Posted 19 February , 2014 Hi Sepoy, I should explain, for a very long time , Norfolk Regiment badge collectors have never been able to find a picture, a pattern, or any other ref that this badge was worn by them. There are two badge books that state this is there badge, one book used the other as notes. Interesting! It is a shame that Hugh King is not about to ask as to where he obtained the information that this badge was worn by the Norfolk Volunteers. I used to see Hugh quite frequently, and we quite often discussed VTC badges, but I do not recall discussing this one. His actual collection of VTC badges was far greater than those badges used in Head-dress Badges of the British Army Volume 1 and I have always regretted not taking up an offer to photograph them. Sepoy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FROGSMILE Posted 19 February , 2014 Share Posted 19 February , 2014 In my view he is clearly a member of the Norfolk Volunteer Regiment I strongly suspect that the collar and shoulder straps are rifle green and that would fit with the blackened badge and the crossed rifles design. There also appears to be a matching dark band around the forage cap behind the badge. I imagine that they aspired to the rifles style of unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk regt man Posted 19 February , 2014 Share Posted 19 February , 2014 Interesting! It is a shame that Hugh King is not about to ask as to where he obtained the information that this badge was worn by the Norfolk Volunteers. I used to see Hugh quite frequently, and we quite often discussed VTC badges, but I do not recall discussing this one. His actual collection of VTC badges was far greater than those badges used in Head-dress Badges of the British Army Volume 1 and I have always regretted taking up an offer to photograph them. Sepoy Hi Sepoy, nice to see that you knew Hugh King. I did ask Mr King about where he obtained the info on this badge, and my notes tell me that in 1987 I was at an M.H.S show at farham, and he would look into it. Much later at a fair in Nottingham he told that he had used the booket by Keith Rawlings ( Pub 1977). I have not been able to speak to Mr Rawlings, but a badge list from 1980 selling repros/fakes/copies has the NVR badge for sale at £1.50, and would have liked to ask him if he used that as a ref. point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk regt man Posted 20 February , 2014 Share Posted 20 February , 2014 Hi Sepoy, nice to see that you knew Hugh King. I did ask Mr King about where he obtained the info on this badge, and my notes tell me that in 1987 I was at an M.H.S show at farham, and he would look into it. Much later at a fair in Nottingham he told that he had used the booket by Keith Rawlings ( Pub 1977). I have not been able to speak to Mr Rawlings, but a badge list from 1980 selling repros/fakes/copies has the NVR badge for sale at £1.50, and would have liked to ask him if he used that as a ref. point, I Phoned Mr Rawings today, and after a little chat with his wife, she told me he had passed away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk regt man Posted 20 February , 2014 Share Posted 20 February , 2014 I Guess you could start by finding out if he is one of these men. Medal card of White, Leslie A. Corps: London Regiment. Regiment No: 883. Rank: Private....War Office: Service Medal and Award Rolls Index, First World War. Medal card of White, Leslie A. Corps Regiment No Rank London Regiment 883 Private. Labour Corps 223999 Private. London Regiment 370071 Private. Collection: Records created or inherited by the War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodies Date range:1914 - 1920 Reference:WO 372/21/122982 Medal card of White, Leslie A. Corps: London Regiment. Regiment No: 767072. Rank: Private.War Office: Service Medal and Award Rolls Index, First World War. Medal card of White, Leslie A. Corps Regiment No Rank London Regiment 767072 Private. Collection: Records created or inherited by the War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodies Date range:1914 - 1920 Reference:WO 372/21/122983 Medal card of White, Leslie Arthur. Corps: London Regiment. Regiment No: 5594. Rank: Private....War Office: Service Medal and Award Rolls Index, First World War. Medal card of White, Leslie Arthur. Corps Regiment No Rank London Regiment 5594 Private. Royal Irish Rifles 13/43662 Private. Collection: Records created or inherited by the War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodies Date range:1914 - 1920 Reference:WO 372/21/122984 Medal card of White, Leslie A. Corps: Rifle Brigade. Regiment No: S 6224. Rank: Private.War Office: Service Medal and Award Rolls Index, First World War. Medal card of White, Leslie A. Corps Regiment No Rank Rifle Brigade S 6224 Private. Collection: Records created or inherited by the War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodies Date range:1914 - 1920 Reference:WO 372/21/122981 Medal card of White, Leslie A. Corps: Royal Engineers. Regiment No: 237630. Rank: Pioneer.War Office: Service Medal and Award Rolls Index, First World War. Medal card of White, Leslie A. Corps Regiment No Rank Royal Engineers 237630 Pioneer. Collection: Records created or inherited by the War Office, Armed Forces, Judge Advocate General, and related bodies Date range:1914 - 1920 Reference:WO 372/21/122980 My wife's grandfather, Leslie Arthur White - pictured in uniformSandra's Granddad.jpg - enlisted for WW1, but we have been unable to establish exactly with whom he served. Probably living in Buckhurst Hill, Essex. Suggestions gratefully received. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norfolk regt man Posted 20 February , 2014 Share Posted 20 February , 2014 Arthur James WHITE, b. 1876 in West Hanningfield, Essex, d. Sept qtr 1951 in Rochford District, Essex, resided 1876 - 1883 in West Hanningfield, Essex, resided 1881 in Toy Chase, West Hanningfield, Essex, resided 1888 in Stock, Essex, resided 1891 in Bowers Hall, Bowers Gifford, Essex, resided 1901 in Red Cow Inn, Canvey Island, Essex (Now called The King Canute), resided 1911 in Dutch Cottage, Village, Canvey Island, Essex, resided 1918 in Not on Canvey, occupation 1891 Agricultural Labourer, occupation 1901 Scaffolder, occupation 1911 Horseman on Farm. He married Elizabeth HIGGINS, Mar qtr 1904 in West Ham District, Essex, b. 1882 in Poplar, London. Children: i. Leslie Arthur WHITE, b. 1905 in Canvey Island, Essex I Guess you could start by finding out if he is one of these men. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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