sjustice Posted 7 August , 2013 Share Posted 7 August , 2013 Hello all, Any idea where/what this is? It is a place or area somewhere near Laventie. 'Bautillerie' is the best I can come up with but that doesn't ring any bells. Cheers, Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazelclark Posted 7 August , 2013 Share Posted 7 August , 2013 Hello all, Any idea where/what this is? It is a place or area somewhere near Laventie. 'Bautillerie' is the best I can come up with but that doesn't ring any bells. Cheers, Simon Well, there is an "Ecole Bautillerie". Not that I know where it is! H. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin spof Posted 7 August , 2013 Admin Share Posted 7 August , 2013 La Boutillerie near Fromelles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin spof Posted 7 August , 2013 Admin Share Posted 7 August , 2013 Et voila! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjustice Posted 7 August , 2013 Author Share Posted 7 August , 2013 Glen the Map Monkey for the win! Thanks both The definite article suggests it has/had a function but, again, I'm not familiar with that word... Cheers, Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiegeGunner Posted 7 August , 2013 Share Posted 7 August , 2013 It sounds as if it ought to have something to do with 'bottling', Simon, but in fact 'boutillerie' was a duty levied on grain sold at market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 7 August , 2013 Share Posted 7 August , 2013 Found this in wiki A major attack was ordered for the afternoon of 18 December, when the 7th Division attacked Well Farm near La Boutillerie. They maybe bottled water from the well? Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjustice Posted 7 August , 2013 Author Share Posted 7 August , 2013 Found this in wiki A major attack was ordered for the afternoon of 18 December, when the 7th Division attacked Well Farm near La Boutillerie. They maybe bottled water from the well? Mike 'Bottling' would be BOUTEILLERIE Mike. It sounds as if it ought to have something to do with 'bottling', Simon, but in fact 'boutillerie' was a duty levied on grain sold at market. As above, Siege, but that's a super reference on grain duty. Never heard of that but it points to the buildings having a local tax or trading usage. Nice. Is anyone familiar with the building now? I know I have driven past it but can't recall what it looked like. Thanks both. Cheers, Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 7 August , 2013 Share Posted 7 August , 2013 Is this the one? Using google street view you can drive anywhere, virtually Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin spof Posted 7 August , 2013 Admin Share Posted 7 August , 2013 Mike has beaten me http://www.ww1westernfront.gov.au/fromelles/images/vc-1.jpg There is also the remains of an old Abbey which I think dates from the 15th century http://www.ww1westernfront.gov.au/fromelles/images/vc-4.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjustice Posted 7 August , 2013 Author Share Posted 7 August , 2013 That's the one I was thinking of. Looks like some considerable (grain?) storage area at the back, but probably not the original outbuildings. Good stuff. Cheers, Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul@bolton Posted 7 August , 2013 Share Posted 7 August , 2013 Simon You'll find it on streetview. The building is still named 'A La Bouttillerie'. Paul Rheumy old fingers not quick enough! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 7 August , 2013 Share Posted 7 August , 2013 This might be of interest Click There may be more in this excellent site delcampe.net Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dycer Posted 7 August , 2013 Share Posted 7 August , 2013 From the 8th Royal Scots History. "On the night of the 20th November 1914,four Companies went into the line for the first time relieving a Battalion of the Royal Welsh Fusiliers in the La Brotillirie sector,the other Companies remaining at Fleurbaix." From the Battalion War Diary. 15th November 1914-Battalion furnished digging party for Battalions holding the trenches in the vicinity of La Boutillerie. George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjustice Posted 7 August , 2013 Author Share Posted 7 August , 2013 Thanks for that snippet, George. Good addition. Cheers, Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michel knockaert Posted 11 August , 2013 Share Posted 11 August , 2013 La Boutillerie near Fromelles. Hello Glen, good work ! but "la Boutillerie" is first at Fleurbaix before to be near Fromelles... remember we walked the fields for "dead dog avenue" cheers Michel La Boutillerie is a hamlet of Fleurbaix where was a kind of abbeye, called "la Chartreuse de la Boutillerie", dedicaced to "Notre-Dame de la douleur" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 12 August , 2013 Share Posted 12 August , 2013 La Boutillerie is a hamlet of Fleurbaix where was a kind of abbeye, called "la Chartreuse de la Boutillerie", dedicaced to "Notre-Dame de la douleur" Click Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
centurion Posted 12 August , 2013 Share Posted 12 August , 2013 This item http://nzetc.victoria.ac.nz/tm/scholarly/tei-WH1-NZRi-t1-body-d7-d1.html on the The Boutillerie Sector would seem relevant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sjustice Posted 12 August , 2013 Author Share Posted 12 August , 2013 Good stuff. Thanks Robert. Cheers, Simon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneakyimp Posted 22 August , 2013 Share Posted 22 August , 2013 Can anyone provide any of the following for La Boutillerie? * Its significance as a military locationin early March 1915? Billets? Front-line Trenches? Support trenches? Reserve trenches? * Any idea of nearby landmarks (ponds, buildings, woods) ? * The coordinates? Glen's map lacks any lat/long...although I think this might be the place. * How about a battle map showing the trenches and the front line? I ask because I'm researching the Canadian 7th who were there for most of March, 1915. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneakyimp Posted 22 August , 2013 Share Posted 22 August , 2013 OK so I found this helpful link: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/29265/29265-h/29265-h.htm#page083 There's a battle map from the battle of Neuve Chapelle which appears to have La Boutillerie about a mile behind German lines on March 10, 1915! Strange that the war diaries of the 7th battalion would have them located in it? The diaries have them marching here from Ploegsteert and then to Fleurbaix and back a time or two. Here's the map from that project gutenberg book: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/29265/29265-h/images/img009.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dycer Posted 22 August , 2013 Share Posted 22 August , 2013 Sneaky, I think the front-line was "fluid" at the time. e.g.From the 8th Royal Scots War Diary(22nd Infantry Brigade). 1st January 1915-Re-occupied No 6 Subsection trenches at Touquet. 17th " " -Portion of fire trench to the right of Briddux having become untenable through flooding,the erection of a high command breastwork was begun in the rear of the old trench and extended to the right,portions of the old trench still being used. 3rd February 1915-Re-distribution of the line by which the Battalion occupied a short length known as "Y Farm Trench" formed by taking a part from right of No 6 and left of No 5. 1st March 1915-Handed over section of trenches to a Canadian Regiment and also billets in Fleurbaix. George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin spof Posted 22 August , 2013 Admin Share Posted 22 August , 2013 Bonjour Michel I'm sorry but I did not see your post. You are correct. It is in Fleurbaix more than Fromelles. I do remember the dead dog! Sneakyimp, That map for Neuve Chapelle is "interesting". This is the front line situation on the evening of 12 Nov 1914 and the lines around La Boutillerie didn't really alter much until April 1918. Also a map from 1 March 1915 showing the area held by the Canadians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Admin spof Posted 22 August , 2013 Admin Share Posted 22 August , 2013 And a trench map Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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