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Photo's of 1st, 2nd and 3rd Btns Grenadier Guards.

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Cameron2165

Hello All,

I would be really grateful if anybody has any photo's of the Grenadier Guards and is willing to share them.

I am looking for 1st Btn 1911 - 1914, 2nd Btn 1911 - 1916 and 3rd Btn 1914 - 1915.

Anything from Squad, Platoon, Company or Battalion would be great.

Also anything of the same from Caterham 1911.

This is for my own interest and not for publishing.

Many thanks

Cam

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Cameron2165

Thanks Graeme,

It was seeing that photo that prompted me to ask.

I thought I'de give it a go.

Fingers crossed

Regards

Cam

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Cameron2165

Hi All,

Just thought I'de bump this up, just incase anyone missed it.

Fingers still crossed.

All the best

Cam.

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andymr1

Hi All,

Just thought I'de bump this up, just incase anyone missed it.

Fingers still crossed.

All the best

Cam.

Any luck?

I'd be v interested in any piccies too. Have you looked through these? http://www.grenadiers-of-yesteryear.com/album/1901_to_1938

Best

Andy

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Cameron2165

Hi Andy,

I've just had 2 PMs ref photo's.

I can forward them onto you if you send me your email.

Thanks for the link. All my searching on line and I've never come across that site!

All the best

Cam

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Cameron2165

Hello all,

A public thank you to

Dublin Fusilier and RammyLad1 for their offers of photo's.

Many thanks

Cam

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jasonmarkwebber

Hi Cam

I have a picture of my great grandfather who was a pre war regular in the 3rd batt.:

http://3rdgrenadierguardsww1.wordpress.com/about/william-upfield-heathcote/

A better version of the photo here (the scan is not particularly hi-res): William Upfield Heathcote

I suspect it was taken pre-war as william is in his dress uniform (if that is the right term?) rather than khaki. If you have any thoughts on this i'd be very interested?

Anyway, you are welcome to use the photo in a non commercial way.

Cheers.

Jason

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Cameron2165

Hi Jason,

Thanks very much.

A nice site you've got there.

I'll PM you over the next few days

All the best

Cam

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GCL40

Hi Cameron

If of interest Attached is a POW photo from Munster1 camp with my Gt Gt Uncle Charles Davies First Battalion Grenadier Guards, and some other Grenadier Guards plus other regiments. He was captured at the first battle of Ypres. Best wishes Gavin

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Albert Taylor

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This is Albert Edgar Taylor (19568) 3rd Batt GG/s Taken 24th July 1915 - day before embarkation. DOB 19.8.1895. Died 1957. His my Grandfather.

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Psjones

Not a standard photo as i'm yet to find one of him, but a still from the film "Attack south of Arras" showing the 3rd battalion consolidating a position. It shows a man who i believe to be my Great Grandfather, Guardsman Reginald Gorton, 3rd battalion. Insert photo is him in around 1930 and the second photo shows him in about 1950 holding my father, he had very big hands!  I cant 100% say it is him, but the similarity's are striking. I was recently told he hated digging as he had been wounded twice, both times whilst holding a shovel. He was always proud to be a Guardsman and after the war he went back to Easton, Bristol, and his job as a tram driver where he remained for another 45 years, passing away in 1981. 

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Simon_Fielding

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Simon_Fielding

names2v2.jpg

2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards Picture
        ?    
John White
23112    

F Johnson
10304      

 CJN Adams
Evan Williams  

 Bruce Clark        

Chris Armstrong
23094
JW Robinson
28377    

James Lee
11138    

E Baily
18707    

NC Eabry
17799
 

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GemmaD
On 19/08/2018 at 12:25, Simon_Fielding said:

GG pic actual.jpg

 Hi is this a picture of the grenadier guards 1st battalion? If so do you have an idea of what year this was taken. Thank you 

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Simon_Fielding

This scan makes the writing a bit clearer. 2nd Battalion, with names and numbers, taken at Chelsea, I'm uncertain of the year. For some reason I feel uneasy about this picture as it is almost too good to be true - but why would anyone forge it? The names and numbers tie up with established records, but the proportion of casualties is statistically very high...Anyone have any thoughts?

Guards photo new scan1.jpg

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Simon_Fielding

All but one casualties? And CJN Adams was an officer and didn't rise from the ranks...am I being too suspicious? all of the individuals were 2/Grenadier Guards...

 

 

 

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John White†

23112

F Johnson†

10304

 

CJN Adams

Evan Williams†

13102

Bruce Clark

22932

 

Chris Armstrong †

23094

JW Robinson†

28377

James Lee†

11138

E Baily †

18707

NC Eabry

17799

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Simon_Fielding
On 06/12/2018 at 10:02, Simon_Fielding said:

All but one casualties? And CJN Adams was an officer and didn't rise from the ranks...am I being too suspicious? all of the individuals were 2/Grenadier Guards...

 

 

 

?

 

John White†

23112

F Johnson†

10304

 

CJN Adams

Evan Williams†

13102

Bruce Clark

22932

 

Chris Armstrong †

23094

JW Robinson†

28377

James Lee†

11138

E Baily †

18707

NC Eabry

17799

I just thought I'd update this post with an interesting link between the 2nd Battalion Grenadier Guards photo and work of Christina Broom, who was a pioneering photo journalist. She began her career in the profession which had a very few women members by cataloguing and chronicling the suffragette movement; simultaneously she also reported the detailed life of the Royal Household units such as the Guards and the Life Guards.

There are some link courtesy of Google here:https://www.google.com/search?q=christinal+broom&oq=christinal+broom+&aqs=chrome..69i57j0l5.7052j0j7&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

 

The soldier who appears in both photographs initially thought was James Lee, Lee was a career soldier since 1904 whereas Bailey was a wartime recruit. I think the annotator of the back of the picture has their Cpls mixed up -  seated second from the left is Cpl Ernest Bailey of Ilford, 3rd from left medal ribbon and good conduct Chevrons is James Lee.

 

Does that sound likely??

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48370768_2329190613782112_3451446937520177152_n.jpg

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Cameron2165

Hi Simon, Sorry I don't get on here very often. It was me (Craig) on Facebook last month talking about this photo. I'm sure the Cpls were written the wrong way around.

Happy New Year

Cam (Craig)

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George Rayner

ALBERT ARTHUR COPPING

DRUMMER 13660, 2nd BATTALION GRENADIER GUARDS

Albert Copping WW1 drummer.jpg

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Cameron2165

Thanks George.

 

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Muerrisch

Very unusual to see a GG  LCpl or Cpl without the grenade regimental badge over the chevrons

 

[historical note] in those days the two were indistinguishable because the modern practice of full corporals of Foot Guards becoming LSgts with three chevrons had not been instituted.In his second photo the grenade badge has been added. Perhaps the 1914 one was taken immediately he was made up.

 

48370768_2329190613782112_3451446937520177152_n.jpg

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HeidiS

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I was sent this scan of Corporal J. O'Brien's Squad, Grenadier Guards. My 1st cousin 3x removed is 2nd row from the back far left - he was in the 2nd Battalion. I have also attached pictures of the names from the bottom of the photo in case it helps anyone. I would love to hear from you if anyone does have a relative in the picture. SG104298.thumb.JPG.431ab52a30fe4dcab4fd03c02f8e4e5e.JPG

 

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FROGSMILE
2 hours ago, Muerrisch said:

Very unusual to see a GG  LCpl or Cpl without the grenade regimental badge over the chevrons

 

[historical note] in those days the two were indistinguishable because the modern practice of full corporals of Foot Guards becoming LSgts with three chevrons had not been instituted.In his second photo the grenade badge has been added. Perhaps the 1914 one was taken immediately he was made up.

 

48370768_2329190613782112_3451446937520177152_n.jpg

 

Very interesting Muerrisch, it seems to suggest that Lance Corporals had two stripes with no grenade and Corporals with a grenade.

There were of course Lance Sergeants at that time but they had the same status as all other infantry in the same appointment and were substantive Corporals, but filling the vacancy of a full (aka ‘Gold’) Sergeant.

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Muerrisch

Fascinating, and the other aspect is that, if the correspondence is correct in identifying the man as Bailly 18707 , he was an early war time recruit and yet preparing to go to war as a L Cpl in 1914.

 

17168 joined on 8th August 1914
17745 joined on 1st September 1914
19626 joined on 3rd October 1914

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