ph0ebus Posted 28 October , 2011 Share Posted 28 October , 2011 Problem is: the tunnel used to be under 6 meter of sand. So I assume the surface at the site used to be 6 meter higher than now, because the tunnel in the pictures is at ground level. This tunnel isn't going to survive restoring the old situation. Roel Maybe they will do what they did at the Temple of Abu Simbel: deconstruct the entire thing and reconstruct it elsewhere...? -Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roel22 Posted 28 October , 2011 Share Posted 28 October , 2011 Having visited a few tunnels (and Abu Simbel) it just wont feel the same without the soil. And no UNESCO-funding for this project, I'm afraid... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egbert Posted 29 October , 2011 Share Posted 29 October , 2011 Volksbund with support from official government offices in Berlin presently are searching for surviving NOK of Karl Müller from Kassel. NOK for Feldwebel August Hütten from Aachen have been identified and contacted Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 29 October , 2011 Share Posted 29 October , 2011 Volksbund with support from official government offices in Berlin presently are searching for surviving NOK of Karl Müller from Kassel. NOK for Feldwebel August Hütten from Aachen have been identified and contacted Great news! I was trying to look up the others last night on the weltkriegsopher site but it was not loading for some reason. Maybe today or tomorrow I will try again. -Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 2 November , 2011 Share Posted 2 November , 2011 In re-reading the Spiegel article I was struck by the following statement: The remains of around 10 to 20 German soldiers from the war are usually found in France and Belgium each year, said Kirchmeier. Where do these findings get announced? By Volksbund? Elsewhere? What efforts are made to identify the remains, if any? Do burials/funerals get publicized anywhere? Sorry if the answer is obvious but it is something I never really considered before. -Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christina Holstein Posted 12 November , 2011 Share Posted 12 November , 2011 The most recent pictures are to be found here: http://www.lieux-insolites.fr/cicatrice/14-18/kilian/kilian.htm Archeological work on the site came to an end yesterday, 11th November 2011. Part of the gallery has been removed and will be reconstructed elsewhere for visitors, together with the personal effects of the men found. The rest will be destroyed as road building continues. Christina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Bennitt Posted 13 November , 2011 Author Share Posted 13 November , 2011 Thanks Christina. Very interesting link and archaeological report cheers Martin B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roel22 Posted 14 November , 2011 Share Posted 14 November , 2011 Good to hear at least a part of the gallery will be saved. Roel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest poeds Posted 10 February , 2012 Share Posted 10 February , 2012 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2099187/Bodies-21-German-soldiers-buried-alive-WW1-trench-perfectly-preserved-94-years-later.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadog Posted 10 February , 2012 Share Posted 10 February , 2012 The story has appeared on the Daily Mail website here in the UK with many interesting images, I congratulate this newspaper for its coversge of such issues. Newspaper Article Norman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest exuser1 Posted 10 February , 2012 Share Posted 10 February , 2012 Great article the photographs are excellent ,condition of the leather work superb . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 10 February , 2012 Share Posted 10 February , 2012 The photos of the trench are quite stunning. One of the unidentified items looks like a pouch with coins in it...some of the other items are id'd in the comments. Norman, and poeds, thanks for the link. -Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted 10 February , 2012 Share Posted 10 February , 2012 Thanks for the link, Norman. I wonder why the DM has decided to run this three month old story as as if it were current news? I suppose it ties in with 'Birdsong' or something. Belatedly, thank you Christina for the link to the interesting le Kilianstollen page. I hadn't seen the post before today. Gwyn PS It would be clearer if the topic heading included the word 'Alsace' as it originally did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 10 February , 2012 Share Posted 10 February , 2012 I wonder what will become of the goat? -Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadog Posted 10 February , 2012 Share Posted 10 February , 2012 Gwyn I am just very grateful that this UK newspaper does pick up on this type of story and has consistently posted the articles on its website. I am also cognizant of the fact that there is no duty on the newspaper to publish such stories but I am very pleased that they do. Regards Norman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted 10 February , 2012 Share Posted 10 February , 2012 Some of the DM readers' comments are revolting. Any excuse to have a pop at the Germans. Yes, agreed, Norman, but I genuinely don't understand what's prompted them to run a story three months late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ph0ebus Posted 10 February , 2012 Share Posted 10 February , 2012 Some of the DM readers' comments are revolting. Any excuse to have a pop at the Germans. Some folks will never 'forgive', and that is just the way it is. I have come to accept that. Not everyone can always be on the right side of history. I don't know how others feel but I suspect at least some of the families of the German dead are as angry at the German government for dragging them into the war in the first place as some of these blokes are, especially since it cost them their fathers, brothers and sons. Daniel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egbert Posted 10 February , 2012 Share Posted 10 February , 2012 poeds and Norman, thanks for the link with latest pictures! The vast majority of the British comments are fair, but as usual there are always some hooligans that will never understand. The posting of the ex-Brit serviceman sum it up nicely. (Thanks God the article was not posted on the Tottygraph or Sun......) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
egbert Posted 10 February , 2012 Share Posted 10 February , 2012 The wooden equipment shown in picture #18 (DM article) is a bootjack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trajan Posted 10 February , 2012 Share Posted 10 February , 2012 Belatedly, thank you Christina for the link to the interesting le Kilianstollen page. I hadn't seen the post before today. Same here! But what I don't get (as I put on my non-Phil Harding archaeologist's hat!) is the Daily Mail's apparent insinuation that that the site was unknown and found by accident! (Nearly a century later, French archaeologists stumbled upon the mass grave on the former Western Front in eastern France during excavation work for a road building project.) A pound to a penny says that surveys regarding the initial devolopment knew what was likely to be found there? Also I thought it rather off-putting and distasteful the way the DM HAD to add: It is estimated that over 165,000 Commonwealth soldiers are still unaccounted for on the Western Front. The point here being what exactly? Mind you, nice photo's Trajan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yelob Posted 10 February , 2012 Share Posted 10 February , 2012 Just saw this on the Telegraph http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/picturegalleries/worldnews/9074125/German-soldiers-found-entombed-in-an-perfectly-preserved-World-War-One-shelter.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old Tom Posted 10 February , 2012 Share Posted 10 February , 2012 I wonder if their final resting places will be reported. Old Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted 10 February , 2012 Share Posted 10 February , 2012 (edited) The text is identical, as far as I can see. They've even included that bizarre comment from the Mail that there are 165000 Commonwealth soldiers still unaccounted for on the Western Front. Whatever that means. Wonder who published first? Gwyn PS Martin - your original thread on this actually started in September! Edited 10 February , 2012 by Dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dragon Posted 10 February , 2012 Share Posted 10 February , 2012 And not to be outdone, the Sun now runs the same story, same words. Sun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_Baker Posted 10 February , 2012 Share Posted 10 February , 2012 And I am afraid that all bear the hallmarks of the cheap, lazy journalism that is the press in the UK today. I cannot say I am surprised at some of the comments left by readers of the Daily Mail (which, to be fair, are balanced by ones posted by human beings). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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