K 4

[billy201]

Hi there I am trying to finf out about K4 ,anything that I can I am researching, able seaman Alexander Scott s/n 232696, hoping somone

can help me, all the very best, yours inniskilling

[Guest]

Hi inniskilling, from The Long Long Trail

K4 and the Fifth New Army

Enough men came forward not only to fill the ranks of K3, but to form reserves. These units were not necessarily formed at their traditional home stations (e.g. the 13th Highland Light Infantry was formed in Gosport, Hampshire). They were initially formed up into six Divisions of K4, and were initially numbered 27 to 32. Once again, however, enough regular units to create three additional Divisions had been withdrawn from service around the Empire and took precedence in taking the Divisional numbers 27 to 29. Thus K4 was renumbered 30th to 35th Divisions and the units were initially trained not as reserves but as fighting units.

A decision was subsequently taken to re-convert the battalions of K4 into Reserve units, breaking up the Divisions, and creating Training Reserve Brigades.

Eventually enough men had volunteered that on 10 December 1914, the order was issued to create a Fifth New Army (which was never called K5). Its six Divisions were initially numbered 37 to 42. It was renumbered K4 when the original K4 was conmverted to reserve units and broken up, and the Fifth New Army Divisions took the original numbers 30 to 35. Most of the units of this Army were locally raised units, often referred to as Pals. All moved overseas in late 1915 or early 1916.

K4, formerly the Fifth New Army, thus eventually comprised

30th Division | 31st Division | 32nd Division | 33rd Division |

34th Division | 35th Division.

Mike

[horatio2]

I think he means the submarine K4 - hence the posting in 'Ships and Navies'

[Guest]

I think he means the submarine K4 - hence the posting in 'Ships and Navies'

DOH!

You mean THIS one?

Mike

[billy201]

Hi there sorry about that fellows , it was the submarine, that I was after, sorry, all the very best yours inniskilling

[sadsac]

Innis, SKIPMAN, although seems to be going a bit barmy (DOH !!), has pointed out that it would be beneficial to go to the post he has high-lighted.

Note in the post Scott was lost on K.14, find here details of his Submarine Service ;

SCOTT ALEXANDER LDG SEA D/ 232696 NE RN SM K.14

31.01.18 Z 29 021288 C D F

DUNDEE EAST NECROPOLIS MM 5 379 GLR 13

Husband of Elizabeth Scott, of 36 Victoria St., Dundee. Born at Aberdeen.

Dundee Eastern Necropolis, Angus.

Grave Reference ; MM. 5. 379

HMS CRESCENT. ADM 104 / 110. Page 181. Record 1663.

HMS CRESCENT. ADM 188 / 412. N.P. 1069 / 18.

P.o.B ; Aberdeen. Occ ; Porter.

SCOTT ALEXANDER LDG SEA D/ 232696 NE RN 021288 230611

C22 ARROGANT

SC 170111 DOLPHIN

K14 170220 TITANIA

K14 170404 DOLPHIN

K14 170521 CRESCENT

DD K14 310118

SENIOR IN RATING 160408 AB 200517 LS

AGE 29 GLR 13

Note ; Dates in reverse order - 170111 = 11 Jan 1917.

Sadsac

[billy201]

Hi there Sadsac , thank you so mutch for all that, just great, all the very best, yours inniskilling

[billy201]

Hi there Mike thanks a lot for that mate, all the best yours inniskilling