frev Posted 15 September , 2006 Share Posted 15 September , 2006 a Memorial Booklet that contains anecdotes and some of his works. Corporal Burns was killed in action at Gallipoli on Saturday, 18 September 1915, Hi Wayne Do you have a copy of his other works? I've only ever seen 'For England'. I've been gathering info on him in regard to my project on the 'Southland' - he survived it's torpedoing on the 2nd Sept - only to be killed weeks later at Gallipoli. Cheers, Frev Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vauxhaul Posted 15 September , 2006 Share Posted 15 September , 2006 Mike Woops! pattern of each stanza seems to be rhyme on 1 and 4 , 7 and 8 substitute 'rare' for 'few' ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Saillard Posted 15 September , 2006 Share Posted 15 September , 2006 Hello Frev ! Thanks for your interest. With regards your question, yes, I do have a few more of his works. In fact I actually have an original copy of the Memorial Booklet itself, which is entitled "In the Dawning of the Day". This particular copy was sent by his father to a 'Cousin Maggie' and bears a hand-written dedication dated 19 September 1916. Regards Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Saillard Posted 15 September , 2006 Share Posted 15 September , 2006 This is my absolute favorite 'military themed' poem. The sentiments expressed in the verses say it all - regardless of race, religion, etc. and have a special meaning for me. NOT A HERO (Clyde Hamilton) The ANZAC Day march was over - the old Digger had done his best His body ached from marching - it was time to sit and rest He made his way to a palk bench and sat with lowered head A young boy passing saw him - approached and politely said "Please sir do you mind if I ask you what the medals you wear are for ? Did you get them for being a hero, when fighting in a war?" Startled, the old Digger moved over and beconed the boy to sit Eagerly the lad accepted - he had not expected this ! "First of all I was not a hero," said the old Digger in solemn tone "But I served with many heros, the ones that never came home So when you talk of heros, it's important to understand, The greatest of all heros gave their lives defending this land" "The medals are worn in their honour, as a symbol of respect All Diggers wear them on ANZAC Day - it shows they don't forget" The old Digger then climbed to his feet and asked the boy to stand Carefully he removed the medals and placed them in his hand He told him he could keep them - to treasure throughout his life A legacy of a kind - left behind - paid for in sacrifice Overwhelmed the young boy was speechless - he couldn't find words to say It was there the old Digger left him - going quietly on his way In the distance the young boy glimpsed him - saw him turn and wave goodbye Saddened he sat alone on the bench - tears welled in his eyes He never again saw him ever - but still remembers with pride When the old Digger told him of heros and a young boy sat and cried Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vauxhaul Posted 16 September , 2006 Share Posted 16 September , 2006 Hello Frev ! Thanks for your interest. With regards your question, yes, I do have a few more of his works. In fact I actually have an original copy of the Memorial Booklet itself, which is entitled "In the Dawning of the Day". Regards Wayne This poem is the first featured in "Other Banners" an anthology of Australian Literature of the First World War, by J T Laird [awm & agps 1971]. The notes on authors mentions that the poem was first published in the 'Scotch Collegian', which Burns had edited as a student, and comments on "In the Dawning.." The anthology includes several of my favourites, Vance Palmer [Farmer remembers the Somme], C J Dennis, Leon Gellert together with explanatary accounts from those who were there such as Bean Idriess and Frank Dalby Davison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Saillard Posted 16 September , 2006 Share Posted 16 September , 2006 Hello Vauxhaul ! Thank you for the extra information about the poem by J.D. BURNS. I would be interested in reading what the authors of "Other Banners" had to say about him and the Memorial Pamphlet "In the Dawning of the Day". Is there any chance you could post the information here - or perhaps email it to me ? Regards Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest vauxhaul Posted 16 September , 2006 Share Posted 16 September , 2006 Gladly James Drummond Burns [1895-1915] was educated at Scotch College, Melbourne. His poem "For England!" was first published in May 1915 in the "Scotch Collegian" of which Burns had been editor in 1913 and 1914. The poem was susequently reprinted in many periodicals and anthologies, and became one of the best known poems of the Great War. It also appears in the volume "In the Dawning of the Day", a memorial edition in honour of Burns, published in 1916, which contains a number of poems by Burns and tributes from those who had known him. In "For England" and his prose writings for the "Scotch Collegian" Burns enthusiastically supports the Public School ideal of selfless devotion to the corporate entity, be it school, country or Empire. In February 1915, Burns went into camp at Broadmeadows, and on 8 May sailed from Australia with his battalion. He subsequently embarked from Egypt for Gallipoli at the end of August. Ten days after landing, he was shot in the head. A tribute from 'a fellow soldier' tells us that "He died through being too brave". ......... Incredibly, the only other selection in the anthology with England in the title, was from Zora Cross, next alphabetically in the notes on authors. The item is titled "England! For ever on your lips" and is an extract from her "Elegy on an Australian Schoolboy" which commemorates the death of her younger brother in WW1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Saillard Posted 16 September , 2006 Share Posted 16 September , 2006 Vauxhaul, Thank you for taking the time to post this extract. Regards Wayne Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teamski Posted 16 September , 2006 Share Posted 16 September , 2006 I didn't see this one in any postings. I was looking up information on the 3rd Battle of Krithia in Gallipoli in a book, and this poem flew out at me. It was exactly what I was looking for! I don't know how somebody could of described that attack on June 4th, 1915 any better. Please note, "Towards a New Offensive" is the title of a chapter in the book, not the poem! -Ski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marina Posted 16 September , 2006 Share Posted 16 September , 2006 Hevn't seen that one before - strong stuff, Teamski. Marina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrymurland Posted 26 September , 2006 Share Posted 26 September , 2006 Does anyone know the titles of the two volumes of War poetry that AP Herbert published? Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marina Posted 26 September , 2006 Share Posted 26 September , 2006 http://www.answers.com/topic/a-p-herbert Marina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrymurland Posted 26 September , 2006 Share Posted 26 September , 2006 Thanks Marina for the link, can't find the title of his two poetry anthologies though although I have a feeling one was called Bomber Gipsey and other Poems ....... Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muerrisch Posted 26 September , 2006 Share Posted 26 September , 2006 Because, above and beyond all, the war would have been lost in a twinkling had it not been for those who created the modern army from the chaos of the Boer War, those who equipped, those who trained, and those who fought: The Old Contemptibles, Lions and Donkeys both, AE Houseman speaks to me: EPITAPH ON AN ARMY OF MERCENARIES. These, in the day when heaven was falling, The hour when Earth's foundations fled, Followed their mercenary calling And took their wages and are dead. Their shoulders held the sky suspended; They stood, and earth's foundations stay; What God abandoned, these defended, And saved the sum of things for pay. RIP Old Army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marina Posted 26 September , 2006 Share Posted 26 September , 2006 Thanks Marina for the link, can't find the title of his two poetry anthologies though although I have a feeling one was called Bomber Gipsey and other Poems ....... Jerry Half Hours At Helles - the other one? Marina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marina Posted 26 September , 2006 Share Posted 26 September , 2006 Because, above and beyond all, the war would have been lost in a twinkling had it not been for those who created the modern army from the chaos of the Boer War, those who equipped, those who trained, and those who fought: The Old Contemptibles, Lions and Donkeys both, AE Houseman speaks to me: EPITAPH ON AN ARMY OF MERCENARIES. Powerful one, Grumpy. Marina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerrymurland Posted 26 September , 2006 Share Posted 26 September , 2006 Nice one Guys - many thanks. Jerry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Robertson Posted 5 November , 2006 Share Posted 5 November , 2006 Can anyone identify this poem and its author please? I do not know your name, but I know you died I do not know from where you came, but I know you died Your uniform, branch of service, it matters not to me Whether Volunteer or Conscript, or how it came to be That politicians failures, or some power-mad ambition Brought you too soon to your death, in the name of any nation You saw, you felt, you knew full well, as friend and foe were taken By blinking death, that your life too, was forfeit and forsaken Yet on you went and fought and died, in your close and private hell For Mate or Pal or Regiment and memories never to tell It was for each other, through shot and shell, the madness you endured Side by side, through wound and pain, and comradeship assured No family ties, or bloodline link, could match that bond of friend Who shared the horror and kept on going, at last until the end We cannot know, we were not there, it's beyond our comprehension To know the toll that battle brings, of resolute intention To carry on, day by day, for all you loved and hoped for To live in peace a happy life, away from blinking war For far too many, no long life ahead, free of struggle and pain and the gun And we must remember the price that was paid, by each and every one Regardless of views, opinions aside, no matter how each of us sees it They were there and I cannot forget, even though I did not live it I do not know your name, but I know you died I do not know from where you came, but I know you died. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Posted 5 November , 2006 Share Posted 5 November , 2006 Derek, it speaks volumes does it not? Teamski, that also says what the men felt about Gallipoli. Kim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
liverpool annie Posted 5 November , 2006 Share Posted 5 November , 2006 I found this Derek ! .... it says Kenny Martin ............... and in another reference it said 2003 !! http://www.cabarfeidh.com/2006/07/war-poem-of-week_31.html Annie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Robertson Posted 5 November , 2006 Share Posted 5 November , 2006 Annie, You're a genius - thank you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Robertson Posted 5 November , 2006 Share Posted 5 November , 2006 Derek, it speaks volumes does it not? Kim, It does indeed: We cannot know, we were not there, it's beyond our comprehension To know the toll that battle brings, of resolute intention To carry on, day by day, for all you loved and hoped for To live in peace a happy life, away from blinking war Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Robertson Posted 5 November , 2006 Share Posted 5 November , 2006 I found this Derek ! .... it says Kenny Martin ............... and in another reference it said 2003 !! http://www.cabarfeidh.com/2006/07/war-poem-of-week_31.html Annie Annie, The poem is also on this website: http://www.warpoetry.co.uk/RemembranceB.ht...W%20YOUR%20NAME It states that the poem was written by Kenny Martin following a visit he made with his son to Commonwealth War Graves in the Arnhem/Oosterbeek/Nijmegen area of Holland - his first ever poems. What a talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzie Posted 6 November , 2006 Share Posted 6 November , 2006 May I direct people to here. http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...showtopic=62726 Eric has posted this and it is well worth reading. Kim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Johnson Posted 6 November , 2006 Share Posted 6 November , 2006 Because, above and beyond all, the war would have been lost in a twinkling had it not been for those who created the modern army from the chaos of the Boer War, those who equipped, those who trained, and those who fought: The Old Contemptibles, Lions and Donkeys both, AE Houseman speaks to me: EPITAPH ON AN ARMY OF MERCENARIES. These, in the day when heaven was falling, The hour when Earth's foundations fled, Followed their mercenary calling And took their wages and are dead. Their shoulders held the sky suspended; They stood, and earth's foundations stay; What God abandoned, these defended, And saved the sum of things for pay. RIP Old Army. I also like his other war epitaph: Here dead lie we because we did not choose To live and shame the land from which we sprung. Life, to be sure, is nothing much to lose; But young men think it is, and we were young. It says it all about the Great War. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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