squirrel Posted 3 April , 2008 Share Posted 3 April , 2008 Thank you. Remembered the poem but didn't have a chance to look it up last night. Strange how some poems just stick in the mind. "A thousand strong" was from memory as well and "Man At Arms" is indeliby printed there as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truthergw Posted 3 April , 2008 Share Posted 3 April , 2008 I have a terrible memory for memorising poetry, it caused me endless problems at school and is not improving with age. I do however remember themes and that one struck a chord. I was able to find it again fairly easily. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marina Posted 3 April , 2008 Share Posted 3 April , 2008 The Rear-Guard (HINDENBURG LINE, APRIL 1917) (from Counter-Attack) GROPING along the tunnel, step by step, He winked his prying torch with patching glare From side to side, and sniffed the unwholesome air. Tins, boxes, bottles, shapes too vague to know; A mirror smashed, the mattress from a bed; And he, exploring fifty feet below The rosy gloom of battle overhead. Tripping, he grabbed the wall; saw some one lie Humped at his feet, half-hidden by a rug, And stooped to give the sleeper's arm a tug. 'I'm looking for headquarters.' No reply. 'God blast your neck!' (For days he'd had no sleep,) 'Get up and guide me through this stinking place.' Savage, he kicked a soft, unanswering heap, And flashed his beam across the livid face Terribly glaring up, whose eyes yet wore Agony dying hard ten days before; And fists of fingers clutched a blackening wound. Alone he staggered on until he found Dawn's ghost that filtered down a shafted stair To the dazed, muttering creatures underground Who hear the boom of shells in muffled sound. At last, with sweat of horror in his hair, He climbed through darkness to the twilight air, Unloading hell behind him step by step. Another shivery one. Marina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek Robertson Posted 3 April , 2008 Share Posted 3 April , 2008 Indeed it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arras100 Posted 3 April , 2008 Share Posted 3 April , 2008 That one gives me goosebumps every time I read it, Marina. Another one I thought to add, this one by Rupert Brooke: The Soldier If I should die, think only this of me: That there's some corner of a foreign field That is forever England. There shall be In that rich earth a richer dust concealed; A dust whom England bore, shaped, made aware, Gave, once, her flowers to love, her ways to roam, A body of England's, breathing English air, Washed by the rivers, blest by suns of home. And think, this heart, all evil shed away, A pulse in the eternal mind, no less Gives somewhere back the thoughts by England given; Her sights and sounds; dreams happy as her day; And laughter, learnt of friends; and gentleness, In hearts at peace, under an English heaven. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theo Posted 4 April , 2008 Share Posted 4 April , 2008 Does anyone know of an anthology of German poetry of the Great War? I have read some in German but need one as a present for a friend who does not speak the language. I have had a search online but not come up with anything. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marina Posted 5 April , 2008 Share Posted 5 April , 2008 THE DEATH-BED Rain ; he could hear it rustling through the dark ; Fragrance and passionless music woven as one; Warm rain on drooping roses; pattering showers That soak the woods ; not the harsh rain that sweeps Behind the thunder, but a trickling peace Gently and slowly washing life away. He stirred, shifting his body ; then the pain Leaped like a prowling beast, and gripped and tore His groping dreams with grinding claws and fangs. But some one was beside him ; soon he lay Shuddering because that evil thing had passed. And Death, who'd stepped toward him, paused and stared. Light many lamps and gather round his bed. Lend him your eyes, warm blood, and will to live. Speak to him ; rouse him ; you may save him yet. He's young; he hated war; how should he die When cruel old campaigners win safe through? But Death replied : " I choose him." So he went, And there was silence in the summer night; Silence and safety; and the veils of sleep. Then, far away, the thudding of the guns. Siegfried Sassoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Bennitt Posted 11 April , 2008 Share Posted 11 April , 2008 Just finished John Ellis's 'Eye-Deep in Hell' which quotes from poems by A.G. West, of whom I'd never heard before. One was given early on in this thread, here is another. The Night Patrol France, MARCH 1916. Over the top! The wire’s thin here, unbarbed Plain rusty coils, not staked, and low enough: Full of old tins, though — “When you’re through, all three, Aim quarter left for fifty yards or so, Then straight for that new piece of German wire; See if it’s thick, and listen for a while For sounds of working; don’t run any risks; About an hour; now, over!” And we placed Our hands on the topmost sand-bags, leapt, and stood A second with curved backs, then crept to the wire, Wormed ourselves tinkling through, glanced back, and dropped. The sodden ground was splashed with shallow pools, And tufts of crackling cornstalks, two years old, No man had reaped, and patches of spring grass. Half-seen, as rose and sank the flares, were strewn The wrecks of our attack: the bandoliers, Packs, rifles, bayonets, belts, and haversacks, Shell fragments, and the huge whole forms of shells Shot fruitlessly — and everywhere the dead. Only the dead were always present — present As a vile sickly smell of rottenness; The rustling stubble and the early grass, The slimy pools — the dead men stank through all, Pungent and sharp; as bodies loomed before, And as we passed, they stank: then dulled away To that vague fœtor, all encompassing, Infecting earth and air. They lay, all clothed, Each in some new and piteous attitude That we well marked to guide us back: as he, Outside our wire, that lay on his back and crossed His legs Crusader-wise: I smiled at that, And thought on Elia and his Temple Church. From him, at quarter left, lay a small corpse, Down in a hollow, huddled as in a bed, That one of us put his hand on unawares. Next was a bunch of half a dozen men All blown to bits, an archipelago Of corrupt fragments, vexing to us three, Who had no light to see by, save the flares. On such a trail, so light, for ninety yards We crawled on belly and elbows, till we saw, Instead of lumpish dead before our eyes, The stakes and crosslines of the German wire. We lay in shelter of the last dead man, Ourselves as dead, and heard their shovels ring Turning the earth, then talk and cough at times. A sentry fired and a machine-gun spat; They shot a glare above us, when it fell And spluttered out in the pools of No Man’s Land, We turned and crawled past the remembered dead: Past him and him, and them and him, until, For he lay some way apart, we caught the scent Of the Crusader and slide past his legs, And through the wire and home, and got our rum ARTHUR GRAEME WEST, 1891-1917 Educated at Blundell's and Oxford. Enlisted with the Public School's Battalion in February 1915. He grew to hate the war, and lost his faith in God. He was convinced he should protest or desert but could not find the courage to do so. He was killed by a sniper's bullet, 3 April, 1917 at Bapaume. His war diary, The Diary of a Dead Officer, which contained his poetry, was published in 1919. (from the War Poetry website) cheers Martin B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marina Posted 11 April , 2008 Share Posted 11 April , 2008 Very powerful - I've never seen that one before. Marina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truthergw Posted 11 April , 2008 Share Posted 11 April , 2008 That is a very bitter phrase for during the war, " the remembered dead ". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
salesie Posted 12 April , 2008 Share Posted 12 April , 2008 "the remembered dead" - I too sense a touch of bitter irony in the author's words, Tom. Once living, breathing and brave, but now reduced to sign-posts to guide them "home" - at least of some use still to members of that patrol. What a strange and unholy world they found themselves in. Cheers-salesie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redorchestra Posted 12 April , 2008 Share Posted 12 April , 2008 I'm not sure if anyone has already mentioned this as I haven't got time to go through 14 pages of this thread, as good as it is! My favourite Great War poem is 'England to her sons' by W. N. Hodgson. I first heard this poem on the 'Private peaceful' album, where the a capella folk singers Coope Boyes and Simpson set it to a hymn. It moved me in the context of the play, and even listened to or read on its own I find it powerful. I think one of the reasons I like it is that it captures something of the patriotic fervour of August 1914, which is when it was apparently written. As much as I like Sassoon, Owen et al, often I wonder if they spoke for the vast majority of soldiers, and especially they didn't reflect the mindset of the millions who volunteered (at least not at first). The poem for me conjures up the image of a wise and weary Britannia, who from Agincourt to Waterloo has seen generations of her children leave her shores never to return, including the author of the poem who was killed on 1st July 1916. England to her sons Sons of mine, I hear you thrilling To the trumpet call of war; Gird ye then, I give you freely As I gave your sires before, All the noblest of the children I in love and anguish bore. Free in service, wise in justice, Fearing but dishonour's breath; Steeled to suffer uncomplaining Loss and failure, pain and death; Strong in faith that sees the issue and in hope that triumpheth. Go, and may the God of battles You in His good guidance keep: And if He in wisdom giveth Unto His beloved sleep, I accept it nothing asking, save a little space to weep. The author is mostly remembered for the poem 'Before Action', written two days before his death. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truthergw Posted 12 April , 2008 Share Posted 12 April , 2008 There is a tendency to forget or at least push into the background, the poets who saw the war and a soldier's part in it as a patriotic duty. Who spoke of the glory and the right of the country to demand the lives of its citizens in a just war. Rupert Brooke was one of the better known, McRae is another. Kipling, Thomas Hardy of course and Laurence Binyon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshi1912 Posted 13 April , 2008 Share Posted 13 April , 2008 I'm not sure if anyone has already mentioned this one, but it's one of my favourites. The grief is palpable. 'Have you news of my boy Jack?' Not this tide. 'When d'you think that he'll come back?' Not with this wind blowing, and this tide. 'Has any one else had word of him?' Not this tide. For what is sunk will hardly swim, Not with this wind blowing, and this tide. 'Oh, dear, what comfort can I find?' None this tide, Nor any tide, Except he did not shame his kind - Not even with that wind blowing, and that tide. Then hold your head up all the more, This tide, And every tide; Because he was the son you bore, And gave to that wind blowing and that tide! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baorbrat Posted 13 April , 2008 Share Posted 13 April , 2008 I remember reading Sassoon at school. The more I found out about him, the more I realised Golf is Hell. Dislike the man, his attitude, his bein, and Golf, ever since. Not a fan of Wilfred Owen either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marina Posted 13 April , 2008 Share Posted 13 April , 2008 I'm not sure if anyone has already mentioned this one, but it's one of my favourites. The grief is palpable. 'Have you news of my boy Jack?' Not this tide. Yes, it is. Did you see the drama 'My Boy Jacck' on TV? The poem was recited - wonderful stuff. Marina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truthergw Posted 13 April , 2008 Share Posted 13 April , 2008 Yoshi, that was after he had lost his son. Here is a verse from " The Irish Guards ", We're not so old in the Army List But we're not so new in the ring. For we carried our packs with Marshal Saxe When Louis was our king. But Douglas Haig's our marshal now, And we're King George's men And after one hundred and seventy years We're fighting for France again. More like the tenor of your quotation is " The Nativity". The Babe was laid in the Manger between the gentle kine-- All safe from cold and danger-- " But it was not so with mine, ( With mine! With mine!) " Is it well with the child, is it well?" The waiting mother prayed. " For I know not how he fell, And I know not where he is laid." This is one where the very strange syntax and complex setting tend to come between the reader and the harrowing plea of the poetry. Very personal, and strange that Kipling could be writing that at the same time as celebrating The Irish Guards, his son's regiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marina Posted 13 April , 2008 Share Posted 13 April , 2008 Does anyone have the full text of Alfred Noyes's 'The Victory Ball'? I've managed to glean some fragments from the internet, but obviously there are huge chunks missing: The Victory Ball Alfred Noyes I The cymbals crash, And the dancers walk. With long white stockings And arms of chalk, Butterfly skirts, And white breasts bare, And shadows of dead men Watching 'em there. II. Shadows of dead men Stand by the wall, Watching the fun Of the Victory Ball. They do not reproach, Because they know, If they're forgotten It's better so. IV. Fat wet bodies Go waddling by, Girdled with satin, Though God knows why: Gripped by satyrs In white and black. With a fat wet hand On the fat wet back. In Atlanta Marina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshi1912 Posted 18 April , 2008 Share Posted 18 April , 2008 Yes, it is. Did you see the drama 'My Boy Jacck' on TV? The poem was recited - wonderful stuff. Marina Yes it was very well done I thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yoshi1912 Posted 18 April , 2008 Share Posted 18 April , 2008 The Babe was laid in the Manger between the gentle kine-- All safe from cold and danger-- " But it was not so with mine, ( With mine! With mine!) " Is it well with the child, is it well?" The waiting mother prayed. " For I know not how he fell, And I know not where he is laid." This is one where the very strange syntax and complex setting tend to come between the reader and the harrowing plea of the poetry. Very personal, and strange that Kipling could be writing that at the same time as celebrating The Irish Guards, his son's regiment. Yes Kipling's poetry offers all sorts of strange contrasts. I haven't heard the Babe in the manger one before. I assumed there was a change in his poetry after his son's death but the sentiments in this one are similar to the 'Not this tide' one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truthergw Posted 18 April , 2008 Share Posted 18 April , 2008 Kipling was deeply affected by the loss of his son and wrote poetry reflecting that. He also seems to have still been able to write ' official ' verse. A lifetime of patriotic zeal for the British Empire would not be easily thrown aside. He must have struggled to come to terms with the actuality of the sacrifice which he had called on all to be prepared to make. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redorchestra Posted 18 April , 2008 Share Posted 18 April , 2008 Talking of Kipling, has anyone read his short story 'Mary Postgate'. One of the most bizarre stories about the Great War I've ever read, particuarly coming from a writer like Kipling. The last few paragraphs were quite horrifying.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marina Posted 18 April , 2008 Share Posted 18 April , 2008 Powerful story! Marina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nickoby Posted 6 August , 2008 Share Posted 6 August , 2008 Does anyone have the full text of Alfred Noyes's 'The Victory Ball'? I've managed to glean some fragments from the internet, but obviously there are huge chunks missing: The Victory Ball Alfred Noyes I The cymbals crash, And the dancers walk. With long white stockings And arms of chalk, Butterfly skirts, And white breasts bare, And shadows of dead men Watching 'em there. II. Shadows of dead men Stand by the wall, Watching the fun Of the Victory Ball. They do not reproach, Because they know, If they're forgotten It's better so. IV. Fat wet bodies Go waddling by, Girdled with satin, Though God knows why: Gripped by satyrs In white and black. With a fat wet hand On the fat wet back. In Atlanta Marina Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nickoby Posted 6 August , 2008 Share Posted 6 August , 2008 This is the full text of The Victory Ball (although some of the punctuation may be wrong): The Victory Ball by Alfred Noyes The cymbals crash And the dancers walk With long silk stockings And arms of chalk With butterfly skirts And white breasts bare And shadows of dead men Watching 'em there. God! how the dead men Grin by the wall Watching the fun Of the victory ball. They do not reproach Because they know If they're forgotten It's better so. Under the dancing feet Are the graves Dazzle and motley In long bright waves. Brushed by the palm fronds Grapple and whirl Ox-eyed matron And slim white girl. Fat wet bodies Go waddling by Girdled in satin Tho' God knows why, Gripped by satyrs In white and black With a fat wet hand On the fat wet back. See, there's a new girl Fresh from school Learning the ropes As the old hands rule. God! how that dead boy gapes and grins As the tom-toms bang And the shimmy begins. 'What did you think you'd Find' asked a shade 'When the last shot echoed And peace was made?' 'Christ' laughed the Fleshless jaws of his friend, 'I thought they'd be Praying for worlds to mend And making earth better Or something damn silly Like whitewashing hell Or Picc-damn-dilly. They've a sense of humour These women of ours, These exquisite lilies, These fresh young flowers'. 'Pish', said a statesman Standing near, 'we mustn't Reproach 'em, they're young you see'. 'Ah', said the deadmen, 'So were we'. Victory! Victory! On with the dance Back to the jungle The new beasts prance. God, how the dead men Grin by the wall Watching the fun Of the Victory Ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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