horatio2 Posted 29 January , 2020 Share Posted 29 January , 2020 (edited) Wecome to the GWF There are some similarities. It could be JC S-W. He was T/Lieutenant not Lieutenant Commander as you state. The divisional history (Jerrold . p.89) records S-W as OC 'D' Coy of Anson at 'X' Beach during the landings (and Lt Cdr G Grant as OC 'C' Coy). I have been unable to confirm from other soources. The image of S-W returning from action is from "At Antwerp and The Dardanelles" by Rev HC Foster, Chaplain to the ANSON's 2nd Brigade. It might be expected, therefore that the image would be correctly captioned. However, Rev Foster later incorrectly identifies S-W as " Lieutenant Commander Warwick" in the text (p.129), so he is not entirely reliable as a source. Edited 29 January , 2020 by horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPea Posted 29 January , 2020 Share Posted 29 January , 2020 (edited) Thank you for your guidance, horatio2. Much appreciated. On 10th November 1914 London Gazette has him as temporary Lieutenant Commander. Is that what the T stands for? Is the Jerrold the go to reference book for RND? I have the front page of Daily Sketch with photo. Perhaps, Foster provided the photo? Edited 29 January , 2020 by RPea additional thought Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 29 January , 2020 Share Posted 29 January , 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, RPea said: On 10th November 1914 London Gazette has him as temporary Lieutenant Commander. Is that what the T stands for? I consider the LG entry is in error. Both his RNVR record (ADM 337) and his RND record (ADM 339) show his 1911 entry as a Sub Lt and promotion to T (Temporary) Lt on 25 Oct 1914. The ADM 337 record amends an entry for this date from "Lieut Commdr" to "Lieut temp" so there was a change of mind about the type of commission. he was to serve under. Any Temporary rank would be given up at the end of hostilities. I now see his earlier LG entry was cancelled two weeks later - https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/28984/page/9690 35 minutes ago, RPea said: Is the Jerrold the go to reference book for RND? Yes. A good overview of the RND 1914-1919. On this link - https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.523461/mode/2up or available from Amazon - https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B074V9NQPH/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1 or on the pre-owned market - "The Royal Naval Division" by Douglas Jerrrold. Edited 29 January , 2020 by horatio2 add LG reference Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPea Posted 29 January , 2020 Share Posted 29 January , 2020 Thank you, again,horatio2. V. interesting about the mistaken type of commision. What do you think the chances are that the company commander in the photo of Anson "C" company at Blandford above is JCSW? I'm curious as I'm writing a biography of his mother and there are family few photos. Have sight of a handful of letters he sent home April to May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPea Posted 29 January , 2020 Share Posted 29 January , 2020 There is one more question I would like to ask, if you don't mind. Newspapers record JCSW was wounded between April 25th and 8th May. Where can I find the information about his wounds? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KizmeRD Posted 29 January , 2020 Share Posted 29 January , 2020 19 minutes ago, RPea said: What do you think the chances are that the company commander in the photo of Anson "C" company at Blandford above is JCSW? Looks more like Sub Lt A.W. St. C Tisdall to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 29 January , 2020 Share Posted 29 January , 2020 17 minutes ago, RPea said: Where can I find the information about his wounds? The Army Form B.103 (summarised on his ADM 339 RND Record Card ( https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7279665 )) shows his being wounded on 29 Apr 1915. The wound is categorised as VIII-1. This means a "Gunshot wound of upper extremities - simple flesh contusions and wounds (slight/severe)". He returned to duty on 8 May, so probably a slight wound, and he may not have been evacuated from the peninsula for treatment but kept in a field ambulance. See - https://www.greatwarforum.org/topic/274975-gunshot-wound-ix-1-meaning/?tab=comments#comment-2799440 Post #7. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 29 January , 2020 Share Posted 29 January , 2020 26 minutes ago, KizmeRD said: Looks more like Sub Lt A.W. St. C Tisdall to me. Could well be. The Blandford image must date from early December 1914 or later by which time S-W was a Lieutenant. The platoon officer in the photo would have been a Sub Lieutenant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KizmeRD Posted 29 January , 2020 Share Posted 29 January , 2020 (edited) A.W. St.C T was commissioned at the beginning of October 1914. My father had a portrait of him hanging in his house, its now on display in RBL Downs Branch (Deal, Kent). That's why I recognise the face. Edited 29 January , 2020 by KizmeRD Added remark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPea Posted 30 January , 2020 Share Posted 30 January , 2020 Thank you. I hope you didn't mind me checking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPea Posted 30 January , 2020 Share Posted 30 January , 2020 (edited) Is it possible to tell which landing during 1st Battle of Krithia John Spencer Warwick would have been involved with and thus where he was wounded? Edited 30 January , 2020 by RPea typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 30 January , 2020 Share Posted 30 January , 2020 (edited) The 1st Battle of Krithia began 28 April and involved no "landings", which were three days earlier. Anson Bn was not involved in the battle (only the Drakes were involved), being employed as beach parties at this time. S-W may have been hit by a 'over' bullet or shrapnel but there is no record. Anson Bn recorded only one rating k.i.a. on 28 April (killed by shrapnel fire). Edited 30 January , 2020 by horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPea Posted 30 January , 2020 Share Posted 30 January , 2020 (edited) Thank you, horatio2. I have just been reading a letter he wrote to his sister on 25th May, ten days before he was killed. It seems he was transferred to a hospital ship where his things were stolen and then on to a rest camp which was being shelled while he was "resting". He was writing to his sister while in a dug out and included a sketch of himself. He is expecting to go up to the firing line the next day. He also made a couple of sketches of HMS Elizabeth. Edited 30 January , 2020 by RPea typo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPea Posted 5 February , 2020 Share Posted 5 February , 2020 Can you let me know what this reference refers to, please? RND/Q.346 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 5 February , 2020 Share Posted 5 February , 2020 (edited) It is the reference to the correspondence from GOC 2nd Brdigade RND (probably to Admiralty via GOC RND) with commendations for service at Antwerp. I am not aware that the papers survive. Awards for Antwerp were few. https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29024/supplement/5 Edited 5 February , 2020 by horatio2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPea Posted 5 February , 2020 Share Posted 5 February , 2020 Thank you Horatio2. Jerrold records that J S-W received DSC after events 25 - 28 April at Helles. I can not find this confirmed. Wher can I go to confirm, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
horatio2 Posted 5 February , 2020 Share Posted 5 February , 2020 Jerrold (in error) lists S-W in his index as "DSC" but he was not awarded this decoration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPea Posted 5 February , 2020 Share Posted 5 February , 2020 Thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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