green_acorn Posted 23 June , 2010 Share Posted 23 June , 2010 Michael, I would suggest the CWGC records are wrong, he was not an Australian. His name does not come up on a National Archives of Australia search, nor more generally does Kemkemian/Kemkemain. On that basis I would suggest he was a "Locally Engaged Person" as so many interpeters in that operational region were. I'm not up on Hebrew names, could he have been from one of the regions communities? I would add that I believe that the "rank" Interpreter was more commonly reserved for the LEP's. Cheers, Hendo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 23 June , 2010 Author Share Posted 23 June , 2010 Hendo, Thanks for your thoughts on this I also drew a blank at the AWM as far as his service records go The name sounds Armenian to me and as this was April 1917 I could not guess where he was from if he was not Australian But the question remains as to where the CWGC got their info from, if as you suggest it is wrong regarding nationality Would the unit war diary be any help? regards Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 23 June , 2010 Author Share Posted 23 June , 2010 Would the unit war diary be any help? No, hardly at all quote: 17.4.17 Bde arrived SHELLAL 0700 – watered and fed At 0900 Bde moved out to EAST with Division. Bde in reserve. Bde unarmed (?) in reserve near EL IMRA during the day, returning to bivouac on WEST side of WADI GHUZEE at SHELLAL at 2100. Limber and spare horses which were left at SHELLAL were bombed by aeroplane at about 0930. Casualties Capt. Easterbrook and 12 OR wounded and 6 OR killed. 17 horses killed and 13 wounded. from http://www.awm.gov.au/cms_images/AWM4/10/AWM4-10-2-28.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David_Underdown Posted 23 June , 2010 Share Posted 23 June , 2010 Nationality on the CWGC database is, as the search page puts it, nationality of the force served, not legal nationality of the person recorded (the budget of CWGC is divvied up on the basis of the number of graves for each nationality as defined in this sense). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
green_acorn Posted 23 June , 2010 Share Posted 23 June , 2010 David, Thank you for the clarification. Michael, Kemkemian must have gone through some "enlistment" process, I would imagine centrally controlled by GHQ EEF whether only by directive and instructions, or actual conduct of the process. I have not yet put much thought to researching the EEF, beyond wondering out loud about their equivalent of GHQ BEF's "SS" documents. How much of GHQ EEF's records have survived? And where are they? Obviously the particular files wanted are the A&QMG employment files. Cheers, Hendo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 24 June , 2010 Author Share Posted 24 June , 2010 David Nationality on the CWGC database is, as the search page puts it, nationality of the force served, not legal nationality of the person recorded Thanks for that important reminder ... ... ... ... Hendo Thanks again for your input here regards Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 30 June , 2010 Author Share Posted 30 June , 2010 From Oppy's post #45: My great-uncle Private Sidney Trevelyan, Somerset Light Infantry, died on 6 November 1916 aged 26 and is buried at Beersheba. & further helpful info from LST_164 in post #47: Trevelyan, Sidney John Private no.1913, West Somerset Yeomanry, earned the British War and Victory medals sometime after 1 January 1916 and they would have been named to this unit. Later transferred 12th Somerset Light Infantry. and killed on 6 November 1917. Buried Beersheba. Oppy, this is in case you don't have a picture already The family's inscription reads; He shall give his angels charge Psalm 91, 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 30 June , 2010 Author Share Posted 30 June , 2010 (edited) As ceebee (Chris) has already mentioned, Beersheva is the last resting place of a notable Australian bowler Tpr Albert (Tibby) COTTER Son of John Henry and Margaret Hay Cotter, of 266, Glebe Point Rd., Sydney, New South Wales. Australian Cricketer - toured England in 1905 and 1909. Following the successful British example, the Australians thought to recruit Sportsmen's Battalions and used this lantern slide of Albert Cotter as part of their promotion of the idea, however it did not catch on in Australia. The dead bodies of Australian soldiers killed in the charge on Beersheva lie in a row on the ground. The dead men were members of the 12th and perhaps the 4th Light Horse Regiments. The body marked with an 'X' is that of 924 Trooper Albert (Tibby) Cotter of the 12th Light Horse Regiment. His elder brother Pte John Cotter, 4th Battalion, was killed in action in France less than a month earlier on 4 October 1917. the family's inscription reads: "In memory of our dearly loved son and brother" For a biographical sketch of Cotter see http://www.anzacday.org.au/justsoldiers/cotter.pdf And for his cricket career see http://stats.cricketworld.com/Players/0/277/277.html edit: Please also see Philip's post #111 on page 5 for further details on Tibby Cotter Edited 5 December , 2010 by michaeldr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceebee Posted 1 July , 2010 Share Posted 1 July , 2010 Michael Many thanks for putting together the post on Tibby Cotter. Chris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 5 July , 2010 Author Share Posted 5 July , 2010 Chris - you're very welcome ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... General note; as I have mentioned before, most of the old photographs come from the AWM collection and are there listed as copyright expired/public domain. Much of the text below also comes from the AWM, being their captions to these photographs. These captions however are not absolutely 100% reliable and if you spot an error or can add any detail, then please let me know and I will insert an 'edit' into the post in question. This next chapter includes a couple of pieces of aluminium taken from a tank at Gaza; perhaps it was this one (?) And probably the youngest hero to fall in this theatre; certainly the youngest at rest in Beersheba War Cemetery - a lad who was a mere 16 years old when he died there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 5 July , 2010 Author Share Posted 5 July , 2010 Note the elaborate group marker seen on the right of the line of wooden crosses The inscribed panel from the group marker It is an aluminium grave marker in two pieces, which are intended to be placed one above the other to form a whole. Each section has a hole drilled in its four corners, to allow it to be screwed to a decorative metal cross of local Palestinian manufacture… … …. The upper section is surmounted by a cut out cross with an engraved 'Rising Sun' badge beneath it bearing the words '4th Australian Light Horse Regiment' on scrolls in place of the usual 'Australian Commonwealth Military Forces.' Stamped into the metal underneath the badge is "In Memory of Lieut. Meredith B.P.G. 2nd Lieut. Burton F. J. R.S.M. Wilson A. 147 Cpl. Mitchell S. N. 124 Cpl. Kinghorn R.W. 91 Tpr. Cleaver E.R. 1956A [Tpr.] Kerrigan W.E." Stamped into the metal of the lower section is "1501 [Tpr.] Morley R.H. 3650 [Tpr.] Wickham T.H. 741 [Tpr.] Reineke J. 1178 LCpl. McGrath F.E. Killed in Action 31st October 1917 4th A.L.H. Regt." … … … Where Tpr (Trooper) appear in square brackets it means that the word is indicated by a ditto mark on the actual plate' [information from the AWM, as is the following summary] "This grave marker, made by WOII James Isaac (Jim) French of 4 Light Horse Regiment, from material cut from an old tank, was placed on an ornamental cross made by local Palestinian craftsmen, which marked the position of the mass grave for the eleven members of the regiment who had been killed in the charge at Beersheba on 31 October 1917. According to a letter written in July 1918 by French's father to Miss Cleaver, the sister of Trooper Cleaver who is listed on the plaque, Jim French was given permission to travel from Gaza to Beersheba with a small party of men to erect the marker and other wooden crosses in the cemetery. Evidence from the regiment's War Diary suggests that this must have occurred at the end of February of beginning of March 1918 when the regiment spent nearly three weeks in the Gaza area engaged in 'salvage' work. The bodies in the mass grave were exhumed by the Imperial War Graves Commission in Palestine in 1924 and given individual graves in Beersheba War Cemetery, on the same site as the original cemetery, which had been made immediately after the fall of the town in 1917. The plate which had marked the mass grave was forwarded to Australia for preservation. … … …French assumed that all eleven men who had died in the Charge had been killed in action and marked the plaque to this effect. In fact, three men died of wounds soon afterwards. One of these was Trooper Harold Thomas Wickham, who may have been the youngest light horseman to die in Palestine. Claiming to be a 21 year old farmer, he had enlisted in Victoria in March 1917 under the alias surname Wickham, naming his uncle (in fact his father), Thomas Bell, as his next of kin. Wickham was sixteen when he died on 1 November 1917 from the effects of Turkish machine gun fire sustained during the charge, which had resulted in multiple fractures and blood loss in one leg." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 5 July , 2010 Author Share Posted 5 July , 2010 These are the men in the order in which they are shown on their unique memorial Lt. Benjamin Peter George MEREDITH Aged 35 years. Son of John Jenner Meredith and Margaret Meredith. Native of Larpent, Colac, Victoria, Australia Lt Meredith is seen here (3rd from the left) with a group near the Sphinx, probably in 1914. [Four others from this group also died: from left to right, Pte Miles N. Turner died on Gallipoli, Pte John Hugh McRae DoW on Malta, Pte Thomas Gordon Inglis KiA on Gallipoli, and Pte William John Smith KiA on Gallipoli. The only man to return to Australia was Cpl George Campbell Murrell (3rd from right)] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 5 July , 2010 Author Share Posted 5 July , 2010 2nd Lt. Francis James BURTON Son of Frederick and Mary Burton, of Nullan, Victoria, Australia Studio portrait of 2nd Lieutenant Francis James Burton, 4th Light Horse Regiment. A farmer from Nullan (near Minyip), Victoria, prior to enlisting as a Private on 22 August 1914. He embarked from Melbourne aboard HMAT Wiltshire on 19 October 1914 for Egypt. He served on Gallipoli and in Egypt, rising through the ranks to become Sergeant on 30 May 1916 and Squadron Sergeant Major on 15 March 1917. Sgt Burton was commissioned as 2nd Lt. on 20 September 1917 and killed in action on 31 October 1917 aged 24 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 5 July , 2010 Author Share Posted 5 July , 2010 RSM Alexander WILSON Son of R. A. and Alice Wilson, of "Dumpies" Hotham St., Traralgon, Victoria, Australia. ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Cpl Sydney Newman MITCHELL Son of James and Ellen Mitchell, of "Hills and Hollows," Apollo Bay, Victoria, Australia [Note the luxuriant growth of flowers on Cpl Mitchell's grave; flowers which only the day before had suffered a 39°c scorching.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 5 July , 2010 Author Share Posted 5 July , 2010 L/Cpl Walter Rodney KINGHORN Son of the late Frank and Elizabeth Kinghorn. Native of Byaduk, Victoria, Australia The brass plate shown above was made for the original wooden cross of L/Cpl Kinghorn by the mechanics of 1st Squadron, AFC and was erected by C. J. Harman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 5 July , 2010 Author Share Posted 5 July , 2010 Tpr Edward Randolph CLEAVER Son of Edward and Mary Cleaver. Native of Ferntree Gully, Victoria, Australia. Studio portrait of 91 Private Edward Randolph Cleaver, 4th Light Horse Regiment. A butcher from Sale, Vic., he enlisted on 19 August 1914 and was described by his sister as the first man in Sale to enlist. He embarked on HMAT Wiltshire on 19 October 1914. Trooper Cleaver saw service with the 4th LHR on Gallipoli. On 31 October 1917 Cleaver died of wounds received in the charge at Beersheva. Cleaver was in the first squadron that charged; Major James Lawson who led the charge was riding alongside him when Cleaver was hit by machine gun fire. Cleaver was aged 31 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 5 July , 2010 Author Share Posted 5 July , 2010 Tpr William Edward KERRIGAN Son of Robert John and Frances Sarah Kerrigan, of Enngonia, Bourke, New South Wales. Native of Cunnamulla, Queensland. ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Tpr Robert Herbert MORLEY Son of Jesse and Sarah Morley, of Gormandale, Gippsland, Victoria, Australia. This family made a huge sacrifice during the Great War. Tpr Morley's brother, Pte George Thomas Morley died in France in 1916. Another relative, Pte Ernest Edward Morley died in France in 1917. And the nephew of these three, Pte Gordon Herbert Cleaver also died in France in 1916. [see http://cas.awm.gov.au/photograph/DA12926] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 5 July , 2010 Author Share Posted 5 July , 2010 Tpr Harold Thomas BELL served as H. T. WICKHAM Aged 16 years. Son of Thomas and Margaret Bell. Native of Creswick, Victoria, Australia. Further details from The AIF Project via http://alh-research.tripod.com/Light_Horse...tart=1193922059 Enlisted 17th March 1917 and joined 4th Light Horse Regiment, 28th Reinforcement. Embarked from Melbourne, Victoria, on board HMAT (A17) Port Lincoln 22nd June 1917. War service: Egypt & Palestine. Died of Wounds 1st November 1917. Medals: British War Medal, Victory Medal. (His brother, 2379 Pte Samuel Arthur Bell, 57th Bn., AIF., was killed in action 8th August 1918, and is remembered on the Villers-Bretonneux Memorial.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 5 July , 2010 Author Share Posted 5 July , 2010 Tpr John REINEKE ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... L/Cpl Francis Edmund McGRATH Son of Michael and Alicia McGrath, of Euston Rd., Oakleigh, Victoria, Australia. Native of Loch, Victoria. Studio portrait of 1178 Trooper Francis Edmond McGrath, 4th Light Horse Regiment, of Woodleigh Vale, Vic. A farmer prior to enlisting in June 1915, Tpr McGrath embarked on board HMAT Kyarra (A55) on 20 August 1915. He served at Gallipoli and was later wounded at Tel el Kebir. In August 1917 he was promoted to Temporary Lance Corporal. L/Cpl McGrath died of wounds received at Beersheva on 31 October 1917 aged 22 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clive_hughes Posted 5 July , 2010 Share Posted 5 July , 2010 Just a public thank-you to Michael for sending some super pictures from Beersheva. Much appreciated. LST_164 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nickmetcalfe Posted 6 July , 2010 Share Posted 6 July , 2010 Fabulous thread - fascinating and moving. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 13 July , 2010 Author Share Posted 13 July , 2010 My thanks to LST_164 and to Nick82 for their comments above ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... Today I have edited post # 5 to provide a link to a photograph of the medals of Col Maygar VC. The AWM's text beneath that photograph also provides some more biographical details regards Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 16 July , 2010 Author Share Posted 16 July , 2010 Two recurring stories in the Great War are those concerning boy soldiers, and the man who was shot while taking a surrender. The only boy soldier which I have personally come across was 16 year old Tpr Harold Thomas Bell (served as H. T. Wickham - see posts Nos. 61 & 68). Beersheba War Cemetery also contains the only example that I can recall of the second; a man shot while taking a surrender. Tpr Harry BUNYAN Son of John and Martha Ann Bunyan, of Bodangora, New South Wales. Native of Bathurst, New South Wales Informal portrait of 82 Trooper Harry Bunyan, 12th Light Horse Regiment, of Bodangora, via Wellington, NSW. Tpr Bunyan was a labourer before enlisting on 23 January 1915 at the age of 17 years and 3 months. He embarked from Sydney on HMAT Suevic with A Squadron on 13 June 1915 and was absorbed into the 1st LHR on Gallipoli on 29 August 1915, rejoining the 12th LHR on 22 December 1915 after the evacuation. He was killed in action on 31 October 1917, being shot while taking prisoners who had surrendered. He was posthumously awarded Military Medal for his 'gallantry and devotion to duty.' The above mention of the award of an MM is taken from the AWM web site, however neither the headstone nor the CWGC's Debt of Honour details refer to this and so far I have not been able to trace any such award in the London Gazette Name: BUNYAN, HARRY Initials: H Nationality: Australian Rank: Trooper Regiment/Service: Australian Light Horse Unit Text: 12th Date of Death: 31/10/1917 Service No: 82 Additional information: Son of John and Martha Ann Bunyan, of Bodangora, New South Wales. Native of Bathurst, New South Wales. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: D. 63. Cemetery: BEERSHEBA WAR CEMETERY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 23 July , 2010 Author Share Posted 23 July , 2010 I am very taken with John Hartley's title for his web-site; 'More than a Name' It sums up what Great War studies should really be about; individuals rather than, heaven forbid, just a name, rank and number, "Men, gaps for filling." The following few posts will, with the help of the AWM collection, try to put faces to some of the men named on the headstones at Beersheva Lt Albert Stanley MUIR Son of David and Jane Emily Muir, of "Merrinder," Coominya, Queensland Portrait of Lieutenant Albert Stanley Muir, 1st Light Horse Machine Gun Squadron, of Ipswich, Qld. On 15 September 1914 Muir enlisted (as Private, number 10) and embarked from Sydney with the Machine Gun Section of the 5th Light Horse Regiment aboard HMAT (A24) Persic on 21 December 1914. He was killed in action on 5 November 1917 aged 23 years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaeldr Posted 23 July , 2010 Author Share Posted 23 July , 2010 Tpr Claude Michael LEAHY Son of George Leahy; husband of Ida May Leahy, of Miram, Victoria, Australia. Native of Mount Gambier, South Australia Portrait of 2815 Trooper Claude Michael Leahy, of Yanac, Vic., on horseback. A member of the 20th reinforcements, 9th Australian Light Horse Regiment, he was killed in action 31 October 1917 and buried at Beersheva Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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