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Value of Death Plaques?

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Gunner Bailey

I must confess to being a bit mystified as to how the value of Death Plaques is arrived at? There seem to be some dealers who want a fortune. Like this.

http://www.callingtons.co.uk/WW1collectabl...e1e64e13fd344bc

Yet others go on auction sites quite cheaply sometimes.

Is the value based upon?

Existence of medals with or without plaque?

Date of death i.e 1/7/16 etc

Scarcity of name i.e. only 6 of that name issued or unique names.

Thanks

John

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Patrick ODwyer

I think they are asking a lot for them: I would have thought:

Any name - £50

Unique Name £55-65

Unique Name to particular Regiment (eg Cavalry) - £70

Officers - Over £100

Fist day of Somme may attract a premium and having any medal with them will do so (I think) and gallantry associations will probably add something too but I can't really understand the pricing listed here. May be a specialist collector can explain in more detail.

I note the Silver War Badge (incorrect to associate with 'wounds') is about twice the normal price also unless there is something unique. Again a specialist may have a view.

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cdeayton

I realise they have historical significance and comparative rarity, but I can't help feeling its a shame that they're on sale at all. Such a very, very long way from the purpose for which they were produced. I realise that families often make these decisions for all sorts of reasons - some very necessary, and yet.....

Craig

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Gunner Bailey
I think they are asking a lot for them: I would have thought:

It seems to be a particulary expensive website. Look at the badge prices. However I have seen similar elsewhere.

John

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River97

Totally agree with the above appraisals.

They are far too overpriced, but , the site is not the only one with over inflated values.

Cheers Andy.

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auchonvillerssomme

The problem for the collector is that they are aiming high because they have nothing to lose - they were probably bought for peanuts, but they don't take up much space in storage and they only have to sell one or 2 items a day to be in profit. And lets face it who hasn't paid 1200 quid for a unique plaque? actually maybe I'm the only daft one to have done that.

Mick

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rj.hoare

I agree somewhat with Patrick regards his pricing in general, but would also add:

Any name (Smith/Jones/Brown) - £50 Tops

Unique Name (to a "normal" regiment, or a regiment that had many battalions like the KRRC) £55-65

Unique Name to particular sought after Regiment (Hussars/Tanks/MGC) - £70 - £90

Officers (Line regiments) - Over £100

Officers (Support Troops) - £90 - £100

Australian/Kiwi/Canadian - Add 50%

Creme de la Creme: RFC PIlot Officer - £200 - £1000

Rare as Rocking Horse Poo - Female Aid Worker/Nurse - £1000 - £3000 +

If you have the full entitlement of medals either pair or trio to say an RFC pilot, then it would be more £1500 - £4000

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ianw

Isn't the answer to this question, what any purchaser is prepared to pay for it.

That said, anyone can put an item on Ebay or elsewhere for 10 times what it is worth but that is not establishing a value. Even if a mug bought it, this does not establish a general value for the group of items. However, once the general price level moves up to whatever level, we can all mutter "ridiculous price" thinking back to 1980 - but we are whistling in the wind.

Like many family buyers, if either of my Great Uncle's plaques came up for sale, I would pay a considerable amount for it and would hope against hope that I was not up against a mad keen Light Horse collector or worse still an unknown family member bidding against me.

Nothing of any quality is going to get cheaper as the 100th anniversaries come nearer!

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matthew lucas

is value what someone is prepared to pay for it? or are these 2 different things, myself i'm not sure, average does seem around 50-60 (i remember getting them for £3!) have paid more, ie canadian killed at vimy 9 april just over 10, Australian officer - 180, australian killed at mucky farm around 100, 2 brothers - 1 killed at ypres one at fromelles 19th july, bit under 200. but those prices seem crazy on that site! that cig card album 50! i get those for £5 and under.....

going to see what else i have now!

matt

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o j kirby

Hi,

I once paid 75 pence for one with a unique name.

Cheers

Owain.

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Gunner Bailey
Hi,

I once paid 75 pence for one with a unique name.

Cheers

Owain.

All sounds like a bit of a free for all. To put it in context I've just acquired a plaque for a name for which there were only two produced. One was a October 1914 death and the other a 1917 Messines death. One private the other an NCO.

John

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depaor01

What hasn't been mentioned so far is the dubious practice of online auction sales where a plaque is sold with absolutely no evidence of the plaque ever having been associated with the person named in the description. The person listed in the description is invariably a "desirable" officer/Irish Regiment/First Day of Somme casualty - take your pick

For example the youngest WW1 casualty is generally accepted as being John Condon (although some dispute this). Anyway there are six John Condons on CWGC, each one presumably with a plaque.

Definitely Buyer Beware.

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paul@paulmanning.net
What hasn't been mentioned so far is the dubious practice of online auction sales where a plaque is sold with absolutely no evidence of the plaque ever having been associated with the person named in the description. The person listed in the description is invariably a "desirable" officer/Irish Regiment/First Day of Somme casualty - take your pick

For example the youngest WW1 casualty is generally accepted as being John Condon (although some dispute this). Anyway there are six John Condons on CWGC, each one presumably with a plaque.

Definitely Buyer Beware.

I agree and have often asked how the sellers attribute to a particular name - usually no or terse answer!

Regarding the comment above that it is a shame these are for sale at all, many of the casualties were unmarried and with no children so it is understandable they become "orphans" almost 100 years on. I can't understand why people would sell great grandfathers plaques or medals, but many people don't share our interest or feel any association with unknown relatives.

Generally, the prices of plaques have moved from around £35 to £50 each over the last 2 years.

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Dogflud

True value is what everyone will happily pay.

What one punter pays to a chancer might break records, but doesn't set the rate.

Out of interest what does a 01/07/1916 15 trio + plaque fetch these days?

Cheers,

Nigel

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trenchtrotter

E bay...RND Hawke casualty 13/11/16 (OR) went for £102 today. I bid but was outgunned!

TT

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HarryBettsMCDCM
Any name (Smith/Jones/Brown) - £50 Tops

However "Common" Plaques will often fetch a higher price {as opposed to "value"} as there could be a lot more people trying to find that elusive Smith or Jones to complete their group.A unique name may often only have one really keen buyer that of the custodian of the rest of his Medals,others may have a Punt but not wish to go for broke!!!

As with all Auction prices it takes {at least} Two To Tango!!!

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auchonvillerssomme

We appear to be making victims out of buyers, if you are stupid enough to buy a plaque with a common name the seller has speculatively attributed to a desirable action or regiment then more fool you.

My best plaque buy ever was Arthur Aust, 15 quid I think.

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Gunner Bailey
However "Common" Plaques will often fetch a higher price {as opposed to "value"} as there could be a lot more people trying to find that elusive Smith or Jones to complete their group.A unique name may often only have one really keen buyer that of the custodian of the rest of his Medals,others may have a Punt but not wish to go for broke!!!

Yes that did occur to me. If your grandfather was Fred Brown/ Wilson / Smith / Jones etc, you probably have a greater chance of finding a plaque than a less common name, and you can claim the plaque was your grandfathers when in reality it wasn't. I actually don't have aproblem with that if it makes someone feel good.

John

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Gunner Bailey
We appear to be making victims out of buyers, if you are stupid enough to buy a plaque with a common name the seller has speculatively attributed to a desirable action or regiment then more fool you.

It's a good point Mick. The seller is not the one who determines the final price at any auction. I saw a WW1 Brodie sell on ebay a week ago for £752. Two people were chasing and the price jumped from £110 to £700 in one bid. I'm quite sure the seller was delighted.

John

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Wardog

Got a link for that helmet? Cheers, Paul.

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Gunner Bailey
Got a link for that helmet? Cheers, Paul.

Sorry I deleted it about five days ago. There was a batch of about 10 helmets found by a house clearance guy (found in a loft) and they all sold on the same day. There was also a nice Para and a DonR helmet plus a few other more standard ones.

He must have been delighted with the end result.

John

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HarryBettsMCDCM
is value what someone is prepared to pay for it?

Price is that ~ value is really inestiamble; what is of immense "Value" to one person may have little or no interest to another,the value is surely the joy obtained from owning it;albiet transiently....

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Timbob1001

Any suggestions as to Dealers specialising in selling Death Plaques - am probably on a fruitless search to find men from my local area...

Tim

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Gunner Bailey

Best not to start the search. Perhaps if you advertise, they may come to you?

John

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caulkheader

The value of a 'Death Plaque' [horrible term].........

.........................................................................................One Human Life.

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