Guest igor_ost Posted 3 March , 2004 Share Posted 3 March , 2004 Hello ! In WWI many British soldier's was awarded Russian st. George crosses st. George medals st. Anne medals For Zeal medals . I have all rolls from London Gazette about this awards , but British goverment not sent the numbers of medals back to Russia ! Russian archives have all numbers of crosses and medals with names of Franch soldiers ! Somebody have some information about numbers of crosses and medals ? Halp me please !!! I'm sorry for my bad English ...... Igor O. Israel Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris basey Posted 3 March , 2004 Share Posted 3 March , 2004 Igor Welcome to the Forum! I'm afraid I can't help with the details about the Cross of St George awards but did some research on a British sergeant to whom it was awarded in 1915. I remember reading that, of the 2,000 donated by Russia, only 574 were awarded to British soldiers. As you say, it's a mystery where the rest went to. An internet search for "Cross of St George" brings up a number of interesting sites about the medal including: http://www.angelfire.com/mi4/polcrt/OrStGeorge.html You may find some specialist, expert knowledge among the members of the Medal Collectors Forum: http://www.medalcollectors.com/forum/ Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rflory Posted 3 March , 2004 Share Posted 3 March , 2004 Are you aware that there is a so-called "Confidential" list that was put out by the War Office in 1921 that was not published in the London Gazette? It contains names of hundreds of British recipients of Russian medals during the Great War. There is also an article by the former head of the British Medal Office concerning the number of awards of the various Russian medals to British recipients during the Great War in the Journal of the Orders and Medals Research Society. It includes awards from both the London Gazette and the "Confidential" List. I am at my office at the moment and don't have the particular references for either the article or the "Confidential" List but if you would like that information let me know and I will find it for you. Regards. Dick Flory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annette Burgoyne Posted 3 March , 2004 Share Posted 3 March , 2004 Hi Igor I can not give you numbers from whole of British Army but can give you the following for one regiment - The King's Shropshire Light Infantry. Order of St. Anne (1st class with swords) - one Order of St. Vladimir (4th class with swords) - one Cross of the order of St. George (4th class) - three Medal of St. George (3rd class) - four Medal of St. George (4th class) - one If you want the names of the holders and any details I have on them, please feel free to email me or ask via this thread. Annette Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Staffsyeoman Posted 3 March , 2004 Share Posted 3 March , 2004 Give me time - and a message - and I can dig out the Russian awards to the Machine Gun Corps also. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest igor_ost Posted 7 March , 2004 Share Posted 7 March , 2004 Hello ! Thanks for all ! This information about Russian awards to Franch Soldiers with numbers of crosses and medals http://www.maison-russie.com/embleme/saint...ille/gm3041.htm This crosses was sold in DNW-auctioner № 127 205 J.S.Draycott 11588 Private Notts./Derby Regiment London Gazette 25.8.1915 № 127 234 Issy Smith VC ( Ishrolch Shmeilovitz ) 168 Sjt. Manchester Rgt LG 25.8.1915 № 127 257 Robert Bragg 4750 Sjt. Worcester Rgt. LG 25.8.1915 № 127 276 B. Daldry 9759 Private 1Bt. the Rifle Brigade LG 25.8.1915 № 127 278 W. Fowler 5051 Sjt. 3Bt. Rifle Brigade LG 25.8.1915 № 127 293 A.E. Faithfull 1059 Sjt. Royal Engineers LG 25.8.1915 Somebody have in collection awards group with Russian Crosses and medals ? I need to know the numbers of crosses and names of recipients !!! Somebody have the Admiralty Order # 24912 about Russian Awards for Jutland battle ? British sailors was recive 800 ( ? ) st.George medals and 98 ( 103 ) st. George Crosses . Thanks for halp ! Regards from Holy Land ! Igor davidka@012.net.il P.S. Who recive this Cross of st. George 4th class # 127181 ? I bought this cross in England . Igor O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JulieG Posted 8 March , 2004 Share Posted 8 March , 2004 Hi further information regarding Russian medals awarded to the British, a comrade of my Gt Uncle John Crane, Sgt Frederick Eccles of the 2nd Royal Munster Fusiliers was awarded the 4th Class of the Cross of St George. Jules Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest igor_ost Posted 9 March , 2004 Share Posted 9 March , 2004 Jules Thank you Do you know the number of this cross ? Igor O. davidka@012.net.il Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest igor_ost Posted 19 May , 2004 Share Posted 19 May , 2004 Hello ! May-be somebody know : wat is this medal ? In russian archives - " soldier was awarded BRITISH BRONZE MEDAL" Sorry for my bad English Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest igor_ost Posted 19 May , 2004 Share Posted 19 May , 2004 One soldier jet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest igor_ost Posted 19 May , 2004 Share Posted 19 May , 2004 And one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Desmond7 Posted 19 May , 2004 Share Posted 19 May , 2004 Private Sandy Bartholomew, Royal Inniskilling Fusiliers, who has been made a recipient of the medal of St. George 3rd class, is the youngest son of Mr. George Bartholomew, Antrim Road, Ballymena. Pte. Bartholomew, who was awarded the Military Medal in December last for conspicuous bravery in the field, enlisted shortly after the outbreak of war and took part with his regiment in the landing at Suvla Bay, Gallipoli. He has two brothers with the colours, Pte. Wm. Bartholomew, Army Service Corps and Pte. Jack Bartholomew, serving with the Canadian Forces. Ballymena Observer, February 23, 1917 Is this another Russian Medallist? Does receipt of the Russian Award tie up with a MM award? Cheers Des Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stevenbec Posted 19 May , 2004 Share Posted 19 May , 2004 Mate, If I may the following Russian awards given to Australians. Order of St Anne 2nd Class = Five 3rd Class = Three Medal of the Order of St Anne = Six Order of St Stanislas 2nd class = Two 3rd class = four Cross of St George 2nd class = one 3rd class = four 4th class = four Medal of St George 2nd class = one 4th class = four Hope this givens some help S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor Ostapenko Posted 15 May , 2007 Share Posted 15 May , 2007 Now I not igor_ost , Igor Ostapenko If anybody have information about Russian soldiers awards to British Soldiers - let me know please !!! I need scans from documents, photos ! I need to know numbers of awards from British medals group ! HELP ME PLEASE ! Medals group of William Kenny VC from Regimental Museum and photo from my collection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadawwi Posted 16 May , 2007 Share Posted 16 May , 2007 I do not have any medals, however, these are extract from newspapers and other sources. These refer to Canadian with Russian Awards. Source: Toronto Evening Telegram newspaper, April 19th, 1918: HONOR FOR BLIND HERO Word has just been received at the University* that Pte. Harry Turner, who went overseas with the 1st University Company, PPCLI, was awarded the Russian Cross of St. George for "distinguished acts of bravery on the battlefield." He came to University College with class '09, but was living in Winnipeg at the time of his enlistment. While serving in France he was wounded and lost his sight on June 2nd, 1916. After being in St. Dunstan's Hospital for a time he returned to Canada last May, and in November was elected by the soldiers in France as a member of the Saskatchewan legislature. The same moth he was married to Miss Alice Moyer, formerly of Galt, but then living in Saskatoon, where they are now making their home. ---------------------------- *University of Toronto Also, from the Toronto Star, February 2, 1917: HONORED BY THE CZAR Sgt. Weeks of Vancouver Gets the Russian Order of St. George. Canadian Associated Press Cable. London, Feb. 1. - Grand Duke Michael of Russia has invested Sergt. H. H. Weeks of the 7th Canadian Battalion, formerly of the Vancouver police force, with the Russian Order of St. George, granted him by the Czar for bravery at Ypres. You can look up the soldier's military attestations here (first two pages viewable online): http://www.collectionscanada.ca/archiviane...2-100.01-e.html ================= Finally, from the history of the Canadian National Railways and the War, these men had foreign orders. The city refers to the city they were working at or the railway depot or station. (Source: Canada's National Railways / Their Part in the War. Toronto: Canadian National Railways, 1920.) RUSSIAN ORDER OF ST. GEORGE awarded to: Doherty, E. J. O. - Moncton I think this is most likely Eugene J. Doherty, 69226, or attestation here: Doherty - military attestation RUSSIAN ORDER OF ST. ANDREW awarded to: Oulster, Gordon Dixon, Major - Winnipeg Attestation: Attestation - Major Oulster ST. GEORGE's CROSS awarded to: Ponomarenke, W. - Hanna (Wounded) I believe this is William Ponomarenko, 69661, of Hanna, who was born in Nicholsk, Russian Empire, according to his military attestation which is here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksmum Posted 17 May , 2007 Share Posted 17 May , 2007 Order of St Stanislaus (2nd Class) Engineer Commander C.H.A. Bermingham Royal Navy Order of St Anne (3rd Class) Assistant Paymaster H.C.N. Foot Royal Navy Paymaster J.B. Shettle Royal Navy Order of St Vladimir (4th Class) Sub Lieutenant A.W. Southam Royal Navy Volunteer Reserve I do not have medal numbers, only these names. Jacksmum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor Ostapenko Posted 18 May , 2007 Share Posted 18 May , 2007 Thank you for all ! (Officers awards was without numbers, only st. George crosses and medals ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edwin astill Posted 18 May , 2007 Share Posted 18 May , 2007 Some awards from various reference works if it is of help: Russian Honours and Awards From ‘The 25th Division in France and Flanders’ Lt. Col. M Kincaid-Smith Order of St. Anne 3rd Class Lt. Col. E.M. Birch, GSO1 25th Division Cross of St. George 4th Class 15153 Pte. T. Nuttall, 8th Loyal North Lancashire Regt. Medal of St. George 1st Class 4918 RSM T.V.W. Roberts, 2nd South Lancashire regt. Medal of St. George 3rd Class 5822 Rfn A. Mills, 2nd Royal Irish Rifles Medal of St. George 4th Class 64173 Gunner B Beddow, Royal Field Artillery From Stack’s ‘The Worcestershire Regiment in the Great War’ 8917 Pte F. Baker – Medal of St. George (Gazette 25/8/15) 4750 Sgt R. Bragg – Cross of St. George (25/8/15) 11141 L/Cpl T. Chance – Medal of St. George (25/8/15) 9476 Pte J. Danks – Medal of St. George (25/8/15) 5/8811 Cpl A.S. Gillard - Medal of St. George (15/5/15) 5484 Sgt A. Haggitt – Medal of St George 25/8/15) 3297 Pte J. Hayes – Order of St. George (25/8/15) (? Order) Capt C. H. Inwood – Order of St. Anne (14/12/18) 11323 Pte J.W.E. Jones – Medal of St. George (25/8/15) 13087 Pte F.H.Key – Medal of St. George (25/8/15) 9065 Pte W.T. Malone – Medal of St. George (25/8/15) 9917 Pte W. Mansell – Cross of St. George (25/8/15) 9940 Cpl. G.T. Matthews – Medal of St. George (25/8/15) 4438 CSM A. Mayston – Cross of St. George (25/8/15) 21543 Pte T. Snow – Medal of St. George (25/8/15) 2529 Pte H. Tibbetts – Cross of St. George (15/2/17) 9146 Pte F. Ware – Medal of St. George (25/8/15) Capt. T.H. Watson – Order of St. Stanislas (1/1/17) 8245 L/Cpl J.C. Wooton – Cross of St. George (25/8/15) Wondered why so many were gazetted on 25/8/15 Regards Edwin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadawwi Posted 1 April , 2008 Share Posted 1 April , 2008 CAMPBELL James Joseph Died as POW. There is a newspaper article about him on the CVM listing (see link below) 24583. Awarded Medal of St. George, 1st Class, Russia. Link: http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/remembers/sub.cfm...casualty=922657 Named on Menin Gate Died May 26, 1915. Marika Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFF Posted 3 April , 2008 Share Posted 3 April , 2008 On THe Aerodrome is a listing of 6 Russian Medals: http://www.theaerodrome.com/medals/russia/index.php Try clicking on each medal to see if any awarded to English airmen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corisande Posted 9 April , 2012 Share Posted 9 April , 2012 Old thread I found when researching H H Weeks of CEF. I found this interesting news article - awards presented by Grand Duke Michael of Russia and a Russian General in full uniform Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Black Posted 1 April , 2020 Share Posted 1 April , 2020 My wife’s grandfather James Dickenson Smith was awarded the Russian medal Order of St George in the 1st world war. JDSmith was Lt and acting captain DLI 18 battalion, and then with the Yorkshire Regiment. J D Smith MM MC served in Egypt (Port Said) France and Flanders. He was badly wounded twice and also mentin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Black Posted 1 April , 2020 Share Posted 1 April , 2020 I have the privilege of writing his story and will post this online in due course. David Black Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom K Posted 7 April , 2020 Share Posted 7 April , 2020 I think we are missing the point of the post. I believe what the OP is trying to do is to match the Serial Number of the individual award to a particular recipient: Which award, with what number went to whom. e.g., Medal of the Order of St. George Number 123456 awarded to Lance Corporal Whats'isname from the Whatnot regiment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_history_buff Posted 7 April , 2020 Share Posted 7 April , 2020 (edited) On 03/03/2004 at 15:08, Guest igor_ost said: Somebody have some information about numbers of crosses and medals ? Halp me please !!! I'm sorry for my bad English ...... Igor O. Israel There are fourteen volumes that pertain to recipients of the Cross of St George. The number for each is in the specific volume. The author is S.B. PATRIKEV and these were published in 2012, eight years after the OP asked the question. The text is in Russian. The following link explains a bit more.https://www.collectrussia.com/DISPITEM.HTM?ITEM=32991 Quote from above Quote "Combined List of the Recipients of the St George Cross, 1914-1922" Volume IV, 4th Class, ##1 - 100 000, by S Patrikeev, C 2012, Moscow. Hard cover, massive 9" x 12 ½"x 2 " format; 1035 pp, Russian text. Deluxe quality paper and binding. This book covers the St. George Cross, the most popular Russian soldier's bravery award of WW I. It allows to find the name, rank and unit of the recipient, as well as the date of the award, by the serial number of the cross. In almost all cases, a brief description of the feat is included. The book is a result of years of painstaking research by the author who is well-known as a preeminent collector of Russian awards and a co-author of several prominent reference books on the subject. Although there are some gaps, the book provides information on nearly all - at least 95% in our estimate - of St. George Crosses within serial number range covered in this volume. To assemble the list took literally a titanic effort which involved getting materials from a number of archives not only in Russia, but also in France, USA, UK and Check Republic, as well as several major museums (please remember this if you are offered a pirated electronic version of this book, essentially stolen goods from which the rightful owner of intellectual property never benefited.) This information above was provided by a forum member who is Australian. I won't mention his name. Edited 1 February , 2022 by Keith_history_buff quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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