ctoye1992 Posted 13 September , 2021 Share Posted 13 September , 2021 hi there all, im doing some family research and came across a relative who fought in mesopotamia and was award a DCM for gallantry but in the newspaper report we found him in it also said he was awarded the Russian Order of St George, but on his grave citation it says he only won the DCM and MM, could this be a misprint or has he been awarded it? is there any lists of recipients, he is LCpl James Tobin, Connaught Rangers, 5089, he was awarded the DCM and MM on 10th April 1916 and he died on the 21st of March 1918 in France thanks chloe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_history_buff Posted 13 September , 2021 Share Posted 13 September , 2021 Hello, You could consult these files at The National Archives, at Kew in Greater London. They have not been digitised. File 1 of 2 Reference: WO 388/4/2 Description: Decorations received from Russia (Index only) Date: [1915-1921] https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C6529657 File 2 of 2 Reference: WO 388/4/5 Description: Decorations received from Russia Date: 1915-1920 https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C6529660 Best of luck with your research Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctoye1992 Posted 13 September , 2021 Share Posted 13 September , 2021 thank you keith_history_buff for the information, it was just odd seeing that award knowing it was russian but awarded to a scotsman, i will keep looking and see if i get anywhere chloe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeignGong Posted 14 September , 2021 Share Posted 14 September , 2021 9 hours ago, ctoye1992 said: hi there all, im doing some family research and came across a relative who fought in mesopotamia and was award a DCM for gallantry but in the newspaper report we found him in it also said he was awarded the Russian Order of St George, but on his grave citation it says he only won the DCM and MM, could this be a misprint or has he been awarded it? is there any lists of recipients, he is LCpl James Tobin, Connaught Rangers, 5089, he was awarded the DCM and MM on 10th April 1916 and he died on the 21st of March 1918 in France thanks chloe Hi Chloe The London Gazette for his Russian award Page 4727 | Supplement 30070, 15 May 1917 | London Gazette | The Gazette I have a note Awarded in July 1916. GHQ, Indian Expeditionary Force “D”. Prefaced ‘22 Dec 1916’ died – 21.3.18 as 6th Bn The Russian award would not be on his grave citation as foreign awards do not carry post nominals as the British DCM and MM do. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctoye1992 Posted 14 September , 2021 Share Posted 14 September , 2021 10 minutes ago, ForeignGong said: Hi Chloe The London Gazette for his Russian award Page 4727 | Supplement 30070, 15 May 1917 | London Gazette | The Gazette I have a note Awarded in July 1916. GHQ, Indian Expeditionary Force “D”. Prefaced ‘22 Dec 1916’ died – 21.3.18 as 6th Bn The Russian award would not be on his grave citation as foreign awards do not carry post nominals as the British DCM and MM do. Peter Thank you so much for finding this, I wonder if he won it for the same reason as his DCM (he volunteered for a dangerous mission of sorts with one companion who unfortunately died on the way back) again thank you Chloe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctoye1992 Posted 14 September , 2021 Share Posted 14 September , 2021 (edited) would there be any way of knowing execept for war diaries what his medals were for? and also im struggling to find his DCM and MM mentioned in the london gazette chloe Edited 14 September , 2021 by ctoye1992 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeignGong Posted 14 September , 2021 Share Posted 14 September , 2021 (edited) His DCM Page 10208 | Supplement 29793, 20 October 1916 | London Gazette | The Gazette His MM Page 1008 | Issue 13222, 14 March 1918 | Edinburgh Gazette | The Gazette His MID Page 10052 | Supplement 29789, 17 October 1916 | London Gazette | The Gazette Peter Edited 14 September , 2021 by ForeignGong Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctoye1992 Posted 14 September , 2021 Share Posted 14 September , 2021 2 minutes ago, ForeignGong said: His DCM Page 10208 | Supplement 29793, 20 October 1916 | London Gazette | The Gazette His MM Page 1008 | Issue 13222, 14 March 1918 | Edinburgh Gazette | The Gazette Peter thank you so much, helped me alot in finding out what he done to get these awards chloe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForeignGong Posted 14 September , 2021 Share Posted 14 September , 2021 There are no citations for the MM that have survived. War diary may help now you have a time frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJT Posted 27 November , 2021 Share Posted 27 November , 2021 I found that my Great Uncle - RSM William Carroll, Royal Irish Rifles - received the Medal of St George [1st Class]. He was gazetted on for this 25/8/15. Around the same time he also received the M.C. There were a lot of British soldiers gazetted at the same time https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/29275/supplement/8510/data.pdf Thanks to links from other members, I believe his M.C. resulted from action in the Battle of Aubers Ridge on May 9th, when RIR were cut off overnight in forward positions in the German trenches, until being withdrawn [200 survivors made it back] in the early hours of the 10th https://wartimememoriesproject.com/greatwar/allied/battalion.php?pid=6350. What I haven't been able to find out is what the reasons behind the award of a Russian medal to British service personnel. Does anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith_history_buff Posted 27 November , 2021 Share Posted 27 November , 2021 1 hour ago, AJT said: What I haven't been able to find out is what the reasons behind the award of a Russian medal to British service personnel. Does anyone know? This is probably the best answer to your question The following thread is likely to be of interest. Unfortunately, the thread got disrupted by someone banging on about the equivalent of being a bridesmaid at Mollie Sugden's wedding. (If you are not familiar with the Liz character from "Little Britain", who has to raise that subject unnecessarily, you won't know what I mean.) Interesting to see that in the same manner that Frank Richards' peers who were awarded a Distinguished Conduct Medal in 1915 were getting a Russian gallantry award, your Great Uncle was likewise getting two decorations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJT Posted 27 November , 2021 Share Posted 27 November , 2021 20 minutes ago, Keith_history_buff said: This is probably the best answer to your question Thank you @Keith_history_buff - explains it [and also a very interesting revelation about how the awards were, err... awarded] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazack Posted 13 January , 2022 Share Posted 13 January , 2022 (edited) hello Edited 13 January , 2022 by cazack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cazack Posted 13 January , 2022 Share Posted 13 January , 2022 hello Please find a group in my collection with to which the 2nd Lt was awarded both a Military Cross as well a Russian Order of St Anne 3rd Class with Swords I added the Order of St Anne (Replacement) to complete the group, as when I brought the group it was missing and for some reason it also had a 39/45 star which after researching he would never had been entitled to so I removed it, so this is full and correct entitlement all original apart from the St Anne Regards Caz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikhail Posted 21 February , 2022 Share Posted 21 February , 2022 (edited) On 13/01/2022 at 13:06, cazack said: hello Please find a group in my collection with to which the 2nd Lt was awarded both a Military Cross as well a Russian Order of St Anne 3rd Class with Swords I added the Order of St Anne (Replacement) to complete the group, as when I brought the group it was missing and for some reason it also had a 39/45 star which after researching he would never had been entitled to so I removed it, so this is full and correct entitlement all original apart from the St Anne Regards Caz Dear Cazack, the correct order of St.Anna 3rd Class with swords and bow should looks like this. Edited 21 February , 2022 by Mikhail Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted 23 February , 2022 Share Posted 23 February , 2022 Mate, Sorry no photos BROWN Allan 121 Pte 02 LHR A Sqn to MG Sect 2-15 WIA 14-7-15 L/foot shot at Popes Post evac to Floriana hosp Malta 7-15 rtn 10-15 (G) att WFF 1-16 to Cpl (from Nicholson) 3-16 to T/Sgt (from Nicholson) 3-16 revert 5-16 reported emb to UK for commision 11-16 to 4 ADBD Etaples 1-17 to 49Bn 1-17 prom 2/Lt 3-2-17 WIA 15-7-17 L/arm & hip shrapnel reported 6 killed and 1 officer and 20 men wounded during their tour (from 12 to 20 july) in the front line around Warneton F&B to special duty with Imperial Army 6-18 relist Capt PSL att Military misson part of Gen Ironsides North Russia force MID - reason not stated reported MIA believed PoW now reported killed by his own Slavo British Legion a locally raised irregular Russian unit mutinied and killed its British officers buried Archangel Allied Cemetery Russia brought to the notice of the Secretary of State for war for Valuable Services in Northern Russia awarded Russian Order of St Anne 3rd class with swords and Russian Order of St Stanislas 3rd class with swords (British The Duke of Lancaster's Own Yeomanry TF) British TF Clerk 23 Brisbane Qld 25-8-14 KIA 20-7-19 Old Trafford Manchester UK S.B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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