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The Meritorious Service Medal


Sarah Hodnett
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Has anyone out there got a copy of a book titled The Meritorious Service Medal by Ian McInnes. I think this book lists recipetents of this award. Is a Matthew Woods Pte 3rd(late 1st Bn) N Lancs R. Reg no. 11322 listed? Date of Gazette 18.10.16. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you

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woods

You probably have this.

Mick

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woods

You probably have this.

Mick

Thanks Mick I do have that Mic but I don't know anything about the award.ps i also have another card of his with reg no T/448806.

Sarah

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there`s a chap on the " british medal forum" ,paul is his name , he is the full bottle on the meritorious medal. good luck, mike.

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The MSM will not have a citation,it {rather His details} will be listed in the London Gazette in a list of many other recipients,the promulgation may vary slightly depending on what it was awarded for

Woods MSM Promulgation October 1916

London Gazette "Header"~For Valuable Service During Present War...

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Thank you for the link. I have found Matthew's name in the London Gazette.Now another question. On his MIC F284-112 is written under 'where decoration was earned'. Does anyone know where this would be?

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One would assume France/Flanders if no other theatre given in the Gazette

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Can we presume it would have been awarded as a member of the 1st Bn?

Mick

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Can we presume it would have been awarded as a member of the 1st Bn?

Mick

sorry Mick- I don't know what you mean. I understand the F could mean France or Flanders but what do the numbers mean? F284-112.

sarah

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...Can we presume it would have been awarded as a member of the 1st Bn?

Whilst it is dangerous to assume/presume too much as the MiC refers to Late 1st Bn,I would suggest it is fairly safe to say that the award was for service with the 1st Bn,& by the time of the "Gazetting" he was posted to the 3rd Reserve Bn,especially as he is a Private,Not that common to find MSMs to Pte,especially in Infantry Units he may have been an Officer's Servant/Batman/Groom,etc;or otherwise invovled in the Battalion HQ??

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Thanks for the above reply. I will try to find out more about the battalion, but I am still no wiser as to knowing what F284-112 means even if F is for France or Flanders what do the numbers mean?

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The "F"code looks to be a reference in "Biro" & probably refers to correspondence to the Army Medal Office concerning the MSM some time after the Medal was issued~each time an enquiry from a researcher or collector or Family member was made even decades later a reference was marked on the Cards to track the Correspondence @ a later date.

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Thanks for that explanation.

I'm new to this research and have lots to learn about how to deciper and interpret all the info on a MIC, so all help is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

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I am trying to attach a picture of another card I have for Matthew woods. You may not be able to see it!!! I haven't tried adding a picture before!

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Again there are later references including the "F" one on the MSM Card,being repeated{suggesting a "X" reference between the two cards,the Medal Rolls also appear to have been referenced with "C454" {Star Roll Page}& "C64"{BWM & VM R.P.}

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e Medal Rolls also appear to have been referenced with "C454" {Star Roll Page}& "C64"{BWM & VM R.P.}

Thank you again but as I am still new to this I find all these abbreviations very confusing what is a 'Star Roll Page ' ? does BWM mean British War Medal? and I have no idea what VM R. P. is! Could you reccomend a book or a website that would explain a lot of the abbreviations. Sorry to be so thick but this is all very new for me.

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Sorry Sarah;

BWM is indeed British War Medal

[A}VM is {Allied} Victory Medal

R.P is Roll Page~these are the pages of the actual Medal Rolls that the references on the MiC refer to {The Refs usually following the Name of the Medal,eg:1914 Star:"H/2/2/168~L. North Lancs"

These are held @ the National Archive{often referred to as "NA" on here}but are not "online".

Stick with it you will soon become familiar with the commoner abbreviations used,apologies for forgetting that not everyone is conversant with them...;)

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Thanks for the translations. I have also looked at the link on the long long trail about interpreting a Medal card so I just need lots of patience and time to study!

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Sarah, just to add to Harry's excellent explainations and in case you were not aware, the T448806 number was for when he later transferred to The Army Service Corps. John

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Army service corps -thanks cos I couldnt deciper that scrawl but now comes another question-how does that differ from what he was 'in' before. It really is like a dectective game..... solve one clue and then you come across another question!

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Sarah, The Loyal North Lancashire Regiment was one of the many infantry regiments. The Army Service Corps were the guys who supplied the front line troops with all their needs. John

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Thanks John, as well as researching Medals and regiments I can see I must now learn about different jobs in an army.

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