Northern Soul Posted 28 April , 2008 Share Posted 28 April , 2008 Trawling through the local newspaper I found a reference to a man with a local connection who became a casualty. He was in the RAOC and the newspaper was quite specific about him being a Second Lieutenant, along with the man killed with him (they were killed just after midnight by shellfire while in billets). When I looked them up on the CWGC database I was a bit surprised to find the following: BARLOW Initials: W H Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Serjeant Major Regiment/Service: Royal Army Ordnance Corps Date of Death: 02/05/1917 Service No: T/1069 Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: IV. E. 26. Cemetery: FAUBOURG D'AMIENS CEMETERY, ARRAS GREENFIELD, FREDERICK Initials: F Nationality: United Kingdom Rank: Serjeant Major Regiment/Service: Royal Army Ordnance Corps Age: 29 Date of Death: 02/05/1917 Service No: T/1260 Additional information: Son of Frederick and Ellen Greenfield, of 39, Northgate St., Colchester. Casualty Type: Commonwealth War Dead Grave/Memorial Reference: IV. E. 27. Cemetery: FAUBOURG D'AMIENS CEMETERY, ARRAS Looking at their MICs they are both recorded as Second Lieutenants, but the telling thing is that they had actually only been commissioned the day previously, on May 1st. So, my question is, what were the rules about being commissioned from the ranks (when did it officially take effect) and were they Second Lieutenants or Sergeant Majors? Best wishes. Andy. MICs for Barlow and Greenfield: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveE Posted 28 April , 2008 Share Posted 28 April , 2008 Andy I'm sure somebody will be able to quote "chapter and verse" as to the rules etc. In my opinion the commission as Second Lieutenant took effect from the 1st May and they should be recorded as such by CWGC. The Gazette entry for their commissions wasn't published until 11th February 1918..... The undermentioned to be temp. 2nd Lts., Gen. List, for duty with A. Ord. Dept. 1st May 1917: — Actg. Armt. Serjt-Maj. F. Greenfield, A.O.C. (since killed in action). Actg. Armt. Serjt.-Maj. W. H. Barlow, A.O.C. (since killed in action). Link to the Gazette is Here Regards Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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