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[oscarm1]

Trying to find more info, crew list and or photos on submarine c34. Torpedoed ?? 21/6.1917.

[Bob Coulson]

C34 was sunk by submarine off the Shetland Islands on July 21st 1917.

Bob.

[spithead]

Trying to find more info, crew list and or photos on submarine c34. Torpedoed ?? 21/6.1917.

Hello essex9

HMS/m C34

Regards John

[Sleepy]

Hi essex9

Try these websites

www.wrecksite.eu

www.worldnavyships.com/submarines.htm

Sleepy

[Guest geoff501]

Trying to find more info, crew list and or photos on submarine c34. Torpedoed ?? 21/6.1917.

Go here:

http://www.hut-six.co.uk/cgi-bin/search2.php

enter C34 in the Unit text field.

[sadsac]

Hello Essexman, follows `lost' crew list C.34 as requested "RESURGAM" ;

EDWARDS ARTHUR AB C/ 238353

MANSFIELD HENRY WALTER LDG SEA C/ 239091 MID

PLAYFORD WILLIAM GEORGE STO 1 C/K 21054

ROSER WALTER MICHAEL JOSEPH ERA 3 C/M 12906

DAWE CHARLES HENRY LDG SIG D/J 10018

GEE ROBERT TAYLOR AB D/J 8918

MAYNARD WILLIAM EDWIN AB D/J 10067

SILLICK HAROLD BERTRAM CERA 2 D/ 270914 MID*

TAGG JOHN AB D/J 12877

TILLER GEORGE EDWIN MATE

HEAD FRANK JOSEPH PO P/ 214768

JEFFERSON INGLEBY STUART LT

KEITH ROBERT ALLAN PO P/ 283814

MCLAREN CORNELIUS TEL P/J 26447

MOORE THOMAS STONE S/LT

MOSS HENRY TEL P/J 31348

STRINGER GEORGE WILLIAM LDG SEA P/J 7837

WORRELL FRANK LDG STO P/K 10151

Regards Sadsac

[Michael Lowrey]

C 34 was torpedoed and sunk by the German submarine U 52, which fired a single torpedo at a range of 500 meters. U 52 then surfaced and rescued a survivor. Also, the date of this sinking is often incorrectly listed -- C 34 was in fact sunk on July 17, 1917.

Best wishes,

Michael

[sadsac]

Essexman, one of 18 of crew C.34 `losts' to illustrate story of loss ;

MANSFIELD HENRY WALTER LDG SEA C/ 239091 Mentioned In Despatches

RN SM C.34 21.07.17 Z 26 130391 CHATHAM 21 CHATHAM 4 - 380

Husband of Alice Maud Mansfield, of 23 Waddesdon Rd., Dovercourt, Harwich.

Killed in action with submarine off Shetland Islands.

Chatham Memorial is open 0830 - 1700.

For entry Telephone Guard Room at Brompton Barracks, 01634 - 822442.

D.O.L ; 17.07.17. HMS LUCIA Torpedoed by U-52 (KptLt Hans Walther), sighted by Watch Officer ObLt . z. S. Ciliax ( Cdr Adm Scheer & Scharnhorst WW2 / Channel Dash) laying stopped off Fair Island Channel.

After 1 hr. sunk by 1 torpedo at 1546 position 5930 N 0050 E.

3 men sighted in tower one white hat (Capt).

One survivor ; said "You won the game".

HMS LUCIA. ADM 188 / 425. AG 903 / 17.

P.o.B ; Bromley, London. Occ ; Train Register Boy.

Mentioned in Despatches A.W.O. No. 3998 09.11.17.

Sadsac

[sadsac]

Eman, one award for Submarine Service - not neccessarily in C.34 as you can see ;

HUTCHINGS John F N/E Lt.Cdr. RN 82O031

S/M C.34, G.7, K.5 N/E 02.11.17 Gazetted

In Submarines 1916 - 1917 Mentioned in Despatches

For long and arduous services in command of submarines ;

he sank the German S.S. "Ems" in the Kattegat on 19.06.16.

Sadsac

[oscarm1]

thanks to all who replied. crew member frank joseph head was my great uncle. the only 'hero' in the family.

[sadsac]

OK Essex, find here details of Submarine Service Petty Officer Head.

He was probably / possibly the Coxswain of the boat, but there is another PO listed, so not certain.

HEAD FRANK JOSEPH PO P/ 214768 NE RN 020386 140511

C34 161128 DOLPHIN

C34 170331 MAIDSTONE

C34 170701 LUCIA

DD C34 210717

SENIOR IN RATING 200116 PO C S EXPIRES 020316 AGE 29

PORTSMOUTH 24 - 6 - 458

Son of W.J. and E.E. Head, of 14 Romsey Rd., Winchester.

Killed in action with submarine off the Shetland Islands.

HMS LUCIA. ADM 188 / 376. AG 903 / 17.

P.o.B ; Winchester, Hants. Occ ; Tailors Boy. D.O.L ; 17.07.17.

Torpedoed by U-52 (KptLt Hans Walther), sighted by Watch Officer ObLt . z. S. Ciliax ( Cdr Adm Scheer & Scharnhorst WW2) laying stopped off Fair Island Channel. After 1 hr. sunk by 1 torpedo at 1546 position 5930 N 0050 E. 3 men sighted in tower one white hat (Capt).

One survivor ; said "You won the game".

ADM 188 / 376 will give previous RN career - skimmer ships etc.

[oscarm1]

Hi sadsac, any idea if bodies were recovered, if so where buried?

From all other research there were no survivors, so where does quote come from?

Uncle Frank was from a family of 6. Only other member to go to war was my grandad Arthur Head. ?? royal hampshire reg, ?? mesopotamia.

[sadsac]

Essexman, there was one survivor Stoker Frank Scoble (he must have been `up for a break' on the tower) he was alleged (by the Germans) to have said "you have won the game" - to the Germans a typical English way of looking at `War' - `Play-up and Play the Game' !!!

No bodies recovered, a torpedo hitting a submarine on the surface must have blown it nearly to bits.

RNSM may have orignal of the comment.

The comment is quoted by A.S. Evans in his book `Beneath the Waves'.

Regards Sadsac

[Michael Lowrey]

The original source for Scoble's comment is actually U 52' KTB (war diary) -- the details Sadsac gave (I presume they come from Evan's book) generally match what's in the KTB, which is obviously the best available source of information.

Best wishes,

Michael

[oscarm1]

thankyou to everyone who replied. i found more info here in a couple of days than weeks of searching other sites.

[Lörscher]

Hi,

small correction on sadsac's details for HUTCHINGS.

He was CO of C 34, G 4 and K 5

The german S.S. EMS he sank while in command of G 4 on 19.06.1916.

Oliver

PS: Dennis, reunion at HQ already scheduled ???

[sadsac]

OK Oliver, HQQ ?? Sadly NO. See Email.

Posting - either MY mistake or PRO ??

Sadsac

[halifax]

U 52

Type U 51

Shipyard Germaniawerft, Kiel (Werk 234)

Ordered 23 Aug, 1914 Laid down 13 Mar, 1915

Launched 8 Dec, 1915 Commissioned 16 Mar, 1916

Commanders 8 May, 1916 - 18 Sep, 1917 Hans Walther

19 Sep, 1917 - 29 Oct, 1917 Johannes Spieß

17 Nov, 1917 - 28 Feb, 1917 Siegfried Claaßen

1 Mar, 1918 - 5 May, 1918 Waldemar Haumann

6 May, 1918 - 11 Nov, 1918 Franz Krapohl

Career 4 patrols

start date unknown - 25 May, 1916 I Flotilla

25 May, 1916 - 24 Dec, 1916 II Flotilla

24 Dec, 1916 - 27 Apr, 1917 Pola Flotilla

27 Apr, 1917 - 11 Nov, 1918 II Flotilla

Successes 32 ships sunk for a total of 76.762 tons.

3 ships damaged for a total of 11.507 tons.

2 warships sunk for a total of 18.150 tons.

1 warship damaged for a total of 1.250 tons.

Fate 21 Nov, 1918 - Surrendered. Broken up at Swansea in 1922.

Details of U-52

Steve

[halifax]

HMS C-34

Roll of Honour

In memory of those who lost their lives on the HMS C-34

July 17, 1917

Lt. Ingleby Stuart Jefferson

Sub-Lt. Thomas Stone Moore

Petty Officer Frank Joseph Head

Petty Officer Stoker Robert Allan Keith

Leading Seaman Harry Walter Mansfield

Leading Seaman Charles Henry Dawe

Leading Seaman George William Stringer

Able Seaman John Tagg

Able Seaman William Edwin Maynard

Able Seaman Robert Taylor Gee

Able Seaman Arthur Edwards

Telegraphist Cornelius McLaren

Telegraphist Henry Moore

Mate George Edwin Tiller

Chief Engine Room Artificer 2nd Class Harold Bertram Sillick

Engine Room Artificer 3rd Class Walter Michael Joseph Roser

Leading Stoker Frank Worrell

Stoker 1st Class William George Playford

Found this on http://www.maritimequest.com/warship_direc...l_of_honour.htm

for a picture of C-34 try http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/c_class1.htm

Steve

[Tiny Tim]

On 22/03/2008 at 22:32, halifax said:

HMS C-34

Roll of Honour

In memory of those who lost their lives on the HMS C-34

July 17, 1917

Lt. Ingleby Stuart Jefferson

Sub-Lt. Thomas Stone Moore

Petty Officer Frank Joseph Head

Petty Officer Stoker Robert Allan Keith

Leading Seaman Harry Walter Mansfield

Leading Seaman Charles Henry Dawe

Leading Seaman George William Stringer

Able Seaman John Tagg

Able Seaman William Edwin Maynard

Able Seaman Robert Taylor Gee

Able Seaman Arthur Edwards

Telegraphist Cornelius McLaren

Telegraphist Henry Moore

Mate George Edwin Tiller

Chief Engine Room Artificer 2nd Class Harold Bertram Sillick

Engine Room Artificer 3rd Class Walter Michael Joseph Roser

Leading Stoker Frank Worrell

Stoker 1st Class William George Playford

Found this on http://www.maritimequest.com/warship_direc...l_of_honour.htm

for a picture of C-34 try http://www.battleships-cruisers.co.uk/c_class1.htm

Steve

 

[Tiny Tim]

Harold Bertram Sillick

Recently, I’ve been delving into the names of the 52 young men from the Royal Hospital School (RHS) in Greenwich who formed the very first two classes of Boy Artificers in March and April 1903. 

The Boy Artificer/ Artificer Apprentice Scheme ran from 1903 to 2010, and was the brainchild of Admiral Jackie Fisher

There were apparently 26 lads in each of the first two classes.

By trawling through the handwritten RHS Admissions Books, in the RHS online archive, I managed to dig out the names of 21 of the March 1903 Boy Artificer Entry, and 20 names of the April 1903 Boy Artificer Entry.  So, more work to do on this...

Harold Bertram Sillick was likely in the March 1903 Entry.  He left the Royal Hospital School on 17 January 1903.   According to the RHS Admissions Books at the time of entering the school (RHS) it seems he was in Brixham Orphanage (British Seaman's Orphan Boys' Home) in Devon. 

I note that his mother Harriet Sillick is listed as living at Albany House, St Budeaux, near Plymouth, Devon, so although his father William was long dead by 1903, Harold Bertram does not seem to fit the normal understanding of an orphan, with no parents alive.   Was Albany House a Home for Naval widows, I wonder?

 Twice Mentioned in Despatches.