JefR Posted 14 March , 2008 Share Posted 14 March , 2008 My wife's grandfather served from Aug 1914 to Feb 1919 in infantry battalions, was wounded four times and won the DCM in 1917. Among his souvenirs, that have recently been passed down to us, is this Iron Cross. I wonder if anyone can tell me anything at all about it. I presume it was awarded in 1914 and I'm particularly intrigued by the "W" on the front and the symbols that are cast into the back which seem to be "FB" and "RO" Any help gratefully received. Jef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishmen1916 Posted 14 March , 2008 Share Posted 14 March , 2008 Hi Jef, Yes you are correct its a first war one, they where also issued for the period's 1870 and 1939, go by the dates on the front. The "w" is for Wehrmacht, I am not sure about the letters on the back, and normally the year 1870 appears on the bottom back, hope this is of some help. Peter Hi Jef, Yes you are correct its a first war one, they where also issued for the period's 1870 and 1939, go by the dates on the front. The "w" is for Wehrmacht, I am not sure about the letters on the back, and normally the year 1870 appears on the bottom back, hope this is of some help. Peter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnock Posted 14 March , 2008 Share Posted 14 March , 2008 Wehrmacht in 1914????? You mean Wilhelm, I suppose. Cnock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cnock Posted 14 March , 2008 Share Posted 14 March , 2008 ...Germans must have been very desperate when they made these ' Iron Crosses 2nd Class' Cnock Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
59165 Posted 14 March , 2008 Share Posted 14 March , 2008 Jef, it doesn't look like any 'awarded' iron cross,more like a broach or privately bought/made keepsake or souvenir type thing. Best one to ask may be Dave 'croonaert'. Well done Cnock on a well thought out response that didn't even involve the posers original question. Dave. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
auchonvillerssomme Posted 15 March , 2008 Share Posted 15 March , 2008 There is a previous very comprehensive thread about this subject....souvenir items.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irishmen1916 Posted 15 March , 2008 Share Posted 15 March , 2008 Sorry cnock, Wilhelm 11 it is............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JefR Posted 15 March , 2008 Author Share Posted 15 March , 2008 Thanks everyone, especially Mick for the links. I followed those up and, although the one I've got isn't like any of the Crosses there - they seem to have been produced for propaganda purposes - it nonetheless appears to be a cheap fake. It has all the symbols of an Iron Cross 2nd Class but doesn't have the quality of a real one. Disappointing, but it looks as if it might have been cast by a couple of moulders in a Wolverhampton foundry using up spare hot metal to make a few bob on the side. Thanks again for your responses. Jef Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Blonde Posted 15 March , 2008 Share Posted 15 March , 2008 Your item looks to be too crude to pass as "Patriotika", there were many W.W.1 Iron Cross related items produced ranging from minis with added wreaths, produced in a range of material from gold to enamel, given to sweet-hearts and mothers, minis on broaches made from the driving bands of shells, even hinged bracelets made from a complete driving band, to china coffee service sets adorned with the Iron Cross. However most were executed with pride, and quality, seeing this was Prussia highest Military award. There was the official Iron Cross I Class / II Class award made to the soldier, and by showing the issuing brevet / Urkünde he could buy a spare, or replacement, often the original was sent home to his family and the spare used for day to day wear. Connaught Stranger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mads Stenroos-Dam Posted 23 August , 2009 Share Posted 23 August , 2009 The cross shown here is a "spoof Iron Cross", but a different kind. It also comes with the year 1915. They were all produced in England, and used as a kind of "support" for the home front and parody on the German Iron Cross. The letters on the reverse is the trademark of the producers! Regards Mads Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fritz Posted 23 August , 2009 Share Posted 23 August , 2009 Hello Jef, this is the real Eisernes Kreuz, II. class. Fritz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryBettsMCDCM Posted 23 August , 2009 Share Posted 23 August , 2009 ... it nonetheless appears to be a cheap fake. +Not a "Fake" but as stated above a Souvenir Spoof Iron Cross sold to raise funds for various War Charities etc,The Diamond & "Rd" on the Reverse would suggest a "Registered Design" the foundry mark being above it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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