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Lt Col Valentine Vivian


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I am trying to confirm whether Lt Col Valentine Vivian Grenadier Guards was on the staff of Fourth Army in August 1918 and in what capacity. I know that he was Assistant Military Attache in Paris and aftewards headed the counter-espionage section in MI6.

Charles M

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Colonel Vivian's Obituary from the Times of 11-2-1948

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Not an awful lot of detail...

Steve.

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Steve

That's great! At least I know that he was definitely on Rawlinson's staff. Some accounts state that his WW1 service was in India and the Middle East.

Many thanks

Charles M

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His entry in O'Moore Creagh and Humphris' DSO book mentions he was Assistant Military Attache in Paris from 1920 (according to Who's Who, 1924, until 1920). Montgomery Massingberd's book on 4th Army (of which I have all the pages ;) ) doesn't mention him, as far as I can see. The History of the Grenadier Guards only netions his awards in the Appendices: no text mentions.

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Major-General Sir Archibald Montgomery's book "The Story of the Fourth Army in the Battles of The Hundred Days, August 8th to November 11th 1918" mentions in the Preface

"The following officers of the Operations and Intelligence branches of the General Staff of the Fourth Army have taken a very large share in the compilation of this story and in the production of the battle maps which accompany it:-

Lt.-Col. R.M. Luckock, Royal Lancaster Regiment,

Lt.-Col. V. Vivian, Grenadier Guards,

Captain R.C. Berkeley, Rifle Brigade,

Captain C.Q. Taplin, Australian Imperial Forces,

Captain D.W. Furlong, Royal Berkshire Regiment,

and to them my sincere thanks are due."

Andy

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Charles,

There is also a group picture with him titled 'The Fourth Army Commander and the Army Headquaters Staff' facing page 272 of the same book.

Andy

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Andy and Steven

Many thanks. I think you have given sufficient information to confirm that he was Rawlinson's chief intelligence officer, as was claimed in an interview with him by the Sunday Express in November 1931. |It is all to do with Lt Rollings of 17th Bn Tank Corps finding details of the Hindeburg Line in an HQ in Framerville on 8 August 1918. The paper championed him as the man who won the war and, as a result, he was given a cheque for £5,000 by Lady Houston, whose money ensure that Britain won the Schneider Trophy for the third successive time in that same year.

Charles M

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Picture of Vivian in the group picture mentioned before, let me know if you would like the full sized version as it comes out better without having to re-size.

Andy

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Tcha! Well done, Andy. I looked in the Appendices and Index. Never thought of the Preface!

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Hi Steven,

Only looked in the Preface as I could not find him in the Appendices and Index either. The name was familiar as I have only just finally got around to reading the book again.

Andy

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Andy

THanks, but picture is not necessary. I only wanted to verify the newspaper report, which had a number of inaccuracies in it.

Charles M

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  • 4 years later...

There are two Valentine Vivians; one was a serving officer in the British Army and a career diplomat; the other was in MI6 - for the latter see my entry on Wikipedia under Valentine Vivian

Tony Vivian

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Hi,

Lt-Col Valentine Vivian's entry in the Quarterly Army List, end 31st December 1919 gives his assignments during the war as:

5th Aug. 1914 - 18th Nov. 1914: GSO3, HQ, Central Force, Home Defence

19th Nov. 1914 - 4th Apr. 1915: Brig.Maj., 4th Cav. Brig., BEF

4th Jun. 1915 - 2nd Jan. 1916: GSO3, 1st Div., BEF

5th Feb. 1916 - 12th Jun. 1916: GSO2, 4th Army, BEF

13th Jun. 1916 - 4th Sep. 1916: GSO2, GHQ, BEF

5th Sep. 1916 - 8th Apr. 1919: GSO1, 4th Army, BEF

4th Aug. 1919 - ? : GSO2, HQ, Northern Russian Force

The army list is available here:

http://www.archive.org/stream/armylistjanpart11920grea#page/538/mode/2up

All Quarterly Army List from WWI & WWII, plus a nearly all the Hart's Army Lists prior to 1900 is available at the Internet Archive here:

http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3A%22nlsarmylists%22

You will also find the Navy Lists

http://www.archive.org/search.php?query=collection%3A%22nlsnavylists%22

They are free to download

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