Tirade or Tyrade?

[ARABIS]

The service record of William Victor Seago A.B. R.N. lists him as serving in the destroyer Tirade from 23rd June 1917 to 29th November 1918. I looked up Tirade in "The British Destroyer" by T. D. Manning, which states "was at the sinking of a U-boat in 1917". So I looked up Tirade in "U-Boats Destroyed" by Paul Kemp, no Tirade, but there is a Tyrade listed. Looked up the entry for it, the sinking of UC55 on 29/9/17 which states "surfaced under the guns of the trawler Moravia and drifters Sylvia and Tyrade". Keble Chatterton in "The Auxiliary Patrol" says "the mine-sweeping trawler Moravia sighted her, and reported the news, so that destroyers were sent out and eventually the enemy was shelled & sunk, Moravia also claimed to have hit her".

So which vessels were there besides the trawler Moravia, the destroyers Tirade & Sylvia or the drifters Tyrade & Sylvia?

Can anyone confirm which?

Thanks,

ARABIS.

[spithead]

Hello Arabis

Definitely TIRADE, can find nothing for a Tyrade

Regards John

[Michael Lowrey]

Definitely Tirade, a destroyer. Sylvia was also a destroyer. There's a nice article on the action in Warship 1997-1998.

Best wishes,

Michael

[stan johnson]

Checking up in Business in Great Waters The U-Boat Wars . It put down the loss of UC55 as by an accident?

[Michael Lowrey]

Loss of trim while minelaying, resulting in a dive beyond rated maximium dive depth, which resulted in flooding and eventually sea water on the battery and chlorine gas in the boat. UC 55 then comes under fire when she surfaces. So yes, the ultimate cause of the loss was an accident, with the Royal Navy there to take advantage.

Two crew statements, including one from the WO, are given in Dwight Messimer's book Verschollen: World War I U-boat Losses.

Best wishes,

Michael

[ARABIS]

Thanks everyone,

It looks like William Seago was there at the time after all.

Thanks again,

ARABIS.

[sadsac]

Hello ARABIS, find info on MORAVIA & TIRADE ;

HORE Reginald W N/E Lt. RN 78A088 Tirade

C-in-C Grand Fleet - Captain 15th Destroyer Flotilla 11.12.18 G

Grand Fleet Destroyer Flotillas Period 01.01.18 to 30.06.18 DSC

On the 29th September, 1917, off Lerwick, he displayed coolness and marked ability in controlling the forecastle gun, scoring a hit on "UC.55", with the third round at 3000 yards, and continued to hit until the submarine sunk.

On the 21st October, 1917, during convoy duty, "Tirade" collided with "Marmion" at night in very bad weather. Lieutenenat Hore showed initiative as Executive Officer, and also personal bravery in picking up survivors of "Marmion" ; he was lowered over the side in a bowline to assist three men and was eventually hauled in in an exhausted condition.

Present at Belgian Coast Operations on board "Nubian" during the latter end of 1914, and was on board "Noble" at Jutland.

SANDISON Arthur DSC Lt. RNR 83P190 Moravia

C-in-C Grand Fleet 17.11.17 G

Action with enemy submarines 29.09.17 M in D

For his services on the occasion of the sinking of the German submarine "U.C. 55", on the 27th September, 1917, by gun fire.

KOKO Sadsac

[sadsac]

ARABIS ; yet more on TIRADE / SYLVIA ;

SHAW Peter DSC Lt. RNR 83P190 Sylvia

C-in-C Grand Fleet 17.11.17 G

Action with enemy submarines 29.09.17 M in D

For his services on the occasion of the sinking of the German submarine "U.C. 55", on the 27th September, 1917, by gun fire. "Tirade" was the first vessel to hit the submarine.

STANISTREET Henry D.C N/E Lt. RN 83P190 Tirade

C-in-C Grand Fleet 17.11.17 G

Action with enemy submarines 29.09.17 Mentioned in Despatches

For his services on the occasion of the sinking of the German submarine "U.C. 55", on the 27th September, 1917, by gun fire. "Tirade" was the first vessel to hit the submarine.

[ARABIS]

Thanks Sadsac,

That clinches it.

Cheers,

ARABIS.

[Clio]

This is an extract from the log of HMS Tirade (ADM 53/63190) which was on passage between Norway and Lerwick at the time

'1415

Sighted submarine on surface about three miles distance. Challenged. Ran full speed towards him.

1428

Opened fire. 3rd and 5th rounds hit

1432 German submarine ABETEILUNG. sunk crew abandoned

1433 Dropped depth charges which apparently exploded mines on sub

At Lerwick.'

Short and to the point but the full story will appear in 'Silent Warriors' Vol 4