JELLALABAD Posted 30 October , 2007 Share Posted 30 October , 2007 My great uncle died at Jutland on HMS Indefatigable and according to his service record he was ERA 4 but on the complete list of the dead on board he is a 'tiffie' 5. Which is the higher rank and how did tiffies progress up the ladder? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph Posted 30 October , 2007 Share Posted 30 October , 2007 Hi, Here is a previous thread on ERA 4th Class; Should give you the answers Regards Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historydavid Posted 30 October , 2007 Share Posted 30 October , 2007 Jelladabad, welcome to the forum. If your great uncle was named William White, his Admiralty death record has him listed as ERA 4c: WHITE, WILLIAM G., E.R.A. 4c, M 7204 (Dev), INDEFATIGABLE H.M. Battlecruiser, 31-May-16, SHIP LOSS. Best wishes David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 30 October , 2007 Share Posted 30 October , 2007 Great care was taken to ensure that the list of casualties had the correct ranks shown, it affected payouts. There was a casualty list preduced indicating who were next of kin and often when they were informed. ADM 116/1533 Loss of H.M.S. INDEFATIGABLE Sunk in action 31st May - Casualties (only) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JELLALABAD Posted 1 November , 2007 Author Share Posted 1 November , 2007 Hi, Here is a previous thread on ERA 4th Class; http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/i...mp;hl=artificer Should give you the answers Regards Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JELLALABAD Posted 1 November , 2007 Author Share Posted 1 November , 2007 Many thanks to all your helpful replies. My great uncle was Arthur George Floyd who saw service as ERA 4 and it seems unlikely, in view of his service log, that he would have been demoted in war time. Edward Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph Posted 1 November , 2007 Share Posted 1 November , 2007 Edward, It would state in his service record if he had been reduced in rank, it should also give a date when he was promoted to ERA 4th Class (5/6 a day) which equates to a Chief Petty Officer. ERA 5th Class (3/- per day) is Leading Hand. Regards Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted 1 November , 2007 Share Posted 1 November , 2007 I have items to M15245 ERA4 P.Callender RN. He joined Indomitable Aug 1915 but was transferred to Invincible just before Jutland due to shortage of ERAs in that ship. Was this common - battlecruisers getting short of crew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historydavid Posted 1 November , 2007 Share Posted 1 November , 2007 Jellalabad, your GU was an ERA 5c according to the Admiralty death record: FLOYD, ARTHUR G., E.R.A. 5c, M 3283 (Dev), INDEFATIGABLE H.M. Battlecruiser, 31-May-16, SHIP LOSS. If he ever made ERA 4 it would, as Charles states, be shown on his service record, with reasons for the demotion. Best wishes David Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
per ardua per mare per terram Posted 1 November , 2007 Share Posted 1 November , 2007 Naval ratings work on the higher the number, the lower the rank! ERAs are a very specialist rank Phil so would get swapped around more than most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joseph Posted 2 November , 2007 Share Posted 2 November , 2007 Phil, ERA would also be "type cast" the Invincible Class had Parsons Turbines, the first large ships to have them. Regards Charles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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